From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #346 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Fri, 20 Aug 1999 Vol 06 : Num 346 In this issue: eskrima: Fencer's Thrust eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #344 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #344 eskrima: Re: Spanish Knife Fighting eskrima: those Gypsies were such cut-ups eskrima: Pekiti-Tirsia Tapes Being Discontinued eskrima: Character not titles eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan Eskrima, and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kalki Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:48:12 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Fencer's Thrust > step off to the right at a 45 degree angle If the attacker is right-handed, wouldn't you agree that this puts you into or keeps you in his/her "kill zone"/inside? ... or do you mean step off to the attacker's right? I'd step off to my left to the attacker's outside from where we can wreak all kinds of H. Stepping off to the left will effectively place us behind the attacker, nuff said? Stepping off to the left/attacker's outside we can still attack the limb in moving and/or quickly attack the body, lead leg, back, neck. Be well, Mik ------------------------------ From: "lee drew" Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 21:01:46 PDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #344 in the novel "Carmen" from >Prosper Merimee (on which the famous Opera "Carmen" is based) you can find >a >good description of a short and lethal knife fight between one Practitioner >of >the Basque Style and one of the Andalusian style... With reference to the Basque style of knife fighting, has anyone heard of a Basque martial art called Zipota? Supposedly zipota is a Euskadi word for "shoe", like the French word savate, and the Spanish word zapato. Yes, it's evidently a kicking art, but very strength oriented. The reference I saw to it was on Prof. Buitron's savate site, so I don't know if this a legitimate art or a "Basque" variation of his savate. Anyone? _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ From: SReiter000@aol.com Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 01:55:27 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #344 In a message dated 8/19/99 6:37:29 AM Pacific Daylight Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Easy question: What are some responses for dealing with a fencer's lunge while knife sparring? We're talking about a straight thrust to the sternum. Dave >> easy answer : get out of the way of the pointy end (read footwork) steve ------------------------------ From: "Peter A. Kautz" Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 07:49:37 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Re: Spanish Knife Fighting Howdy all! Been a bit of time since I've actually read the ED, but the Spanish thread did catch my attention. I do a lot of work in the redaction of the Medieval and Renaissance combat arts from surviving manuscripts, and recently one of my contacts who knew of my interest in knife work sent me a Spanish book from 1849 (!) that covers this very topic: "Manual del Baratero" (Book of the Baratero) Arte de Manejaer la Navaja (Art of using the navaja) El Cuchillo y la Tijera de los Jitanos (The knife and the crown of the Gypsies) This book covers the knife fighting of the time, with a number of illustrations that would be immediately recogniseable to the FMA player. It IS in Spanish (of course) so I have not gotten too far into it, but a friend is translating it and I have seen the first few sections in English. It was written for both the "common man" and to educate the higher class audience to this weapon that they might better defend themselves. The opening is basicaly the argument of why the higer class people should study this art. The later sections cover attacks, defenses, movement, and all the other things that you would expect. Hope this can shed some light. Pete Kautz ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:06:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: those Gypsies were such cut-ups > Medieval and Renaissance combat arts from surviving manuscripts, and > recently one of my contacts who knew of my interest in knife work sent me a > Spanish book from 1849 (!) that covers this very topic: > > "Manual del Baratero" > (Book of the Baratero) > Arte de Manejaer la Navaja > (Art of using the navaja) > El Cuchillo y la Tijera de los Jitanos > (The knife and the crown of the Gypsies) Interesting to note that the Gypsies had shears fighting techniques. They often carried shears and quickly realized how to use them... You open them 90 degrees and use the blocking/dull half of the shear as your guard and the cutting/sharp half of the shear as the business end. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Allen Sachetti Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 15:18:49 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Pekiti-Tirsia Tapes Being Discontinued Due to Tuhon Bill McGrath's concern that too much Pekiti-Tirsia technique is getting out commercially to too many people that he does not know, we have agreed to his request for us to discontinue the following Pekiti-Tirsia tapes. These tapes are the most comprehensive tapes ever produced on the Pekiti-Tirsia system and once these last 50 sets are gone, these tapes will not be sold again. PTM01) FOOTWORK - a vast presentation of PT Footwork. Evasion, Entering and dealing with multiple attackers. 55mins. PTM02) SOLO BASTON PART 1 - the beginning of the Solo Baston Sub System by Tuhon Bill McGrath with proper foundational exercises. 60 mins. 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PO Box 9562 Newark DE. 19712 ------------------------------ From: Rocky Pasiwk Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 00:45:50 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Character not titles You may wanna scroll past this one, I think it will be long. I got to thinking about the whole title thingy that's been going on. Guru , Sifu, Instructor, Apprentice, Datu, Artu Datu, or what have you. I think the one point that everyone missed was, the title is just a stupid word placed in front of your name, so who cares!! put what ever you want their. What defines you, is your ability, and character, my father had no title in front of his name, and there is no doubt at all in my mind that most of the big named martial artist out there couldn't hang with him, what's more is most people liked him, he was straight forward and told you the way it is no B.S. On the other hand there are martial artist that carry and refer to themselves as Master, Guru, what not, that suck, I mean completely suck, we all know of a few of these people in the martial arts community. So if someone introduces himself as Master such and such, and tells you he trained under this knuckle head that you know is a complete fraud, then his title means nothingt to you, right!!! Here's an example, ( here goes Craftys ego again, as if he needs any more boosting ):-) People at my seminars often ask me about the Mutly crew from California, because they know I use to fight in a very hard core fashion (retired wimp now), and want my opinion on weather they should buy their tapes or go to a seminar or what have you. So without ever meeting Crafty in person, without ever training with a single Dog Dude, I will often recommend his teaching, along, with Bill Mcgrath, and a few others that I have never met. And can anyone tell me boys and girls why I would recommend, a guy/s some of whom have funny nick names, and even train with people I don't necessarily see eye to eye with. In fact at my last seminar, some one said if you are not that big on the Bruce stuff, how come you recommend, Crafty, and his stuff. Well I can sum it all up in two words!! TOM BISIO, you see Tom doesn't really carry any tittle in front of his name or any such silly thing like that, instead he carry's excellent character, and world class tech/tallent. So when he tells me Eric Knaus is one of the best and toughest fighters he ever worked with, then that's all it take's for me, I don't worship Tom by any means, I just know he is not a B.S'er So I fig people associated with Eric must be fomitable. So maybe some day Crafty and I will meet, have a few drinks, B.S, play some sticks together and have a good time, or we maybe we'll hate each other and try to beat the hell out each other, and even if our path's never cross I'll respect him simply because of one mans word, and not his title this goes for Bill Mcgrath and a few others too. Now if Tom's word was worthless, but he had the title Grandest of Grand MAsters, I would never recommend these individuals and take the chance of it coming back to me. You see I know what its like to have the shoe on the other foot, years ago when I was in my late teens early 20's I would travel around some of the seminar circuits and meet other Eskrima people, the minute I mentioned I did Modern Arnis people would roll there eyes at me, and I would have to prove myself against them, especially in the Mid West where the Pikiti Tersia guys are thick. After a while I would actually hear people talk about me to others and say yea he's one of those Modern Arnis guy's but he's different! This is one of a chain of things that lead to me and Remy not talking for years. Now before all you Modern Arnis Masters and umpteen degree black belts get all wiggy on me I am not Remy bashing, I am just stating a fact, for many years he developed a reputation for handing out rank, so his character was being and still is to many people tarnished, so even though he is one of the last real fighters left, and truly a Grand Master your title under him to many people didn't and still doesn't mean anythingt. This is why I protect my butt so much, when someone tells you they train directly under me and are certified to teach you can bet your last dollar they know their stuff. People usually really like me or they hate me, mostly because I tell it or at least try to tell it the way it is, which in today's times, makes you unpopular. I had a guy at one of my seminars tell me about the 18 different black belts he had from various other styles at the age of 24, well I watched him do a few things then I informed him that he was either a liar or had the worst instructors in the world, why shmooze him, maybe it takes someone like me to set him straight and put him on the right path. If you worry more about being good and sticking to whats right and true, then you won't need some silly title or have to ride someone elses shirt tails to be respected. And if your respected so will your students be.You've heard the saying welfare breeds welfare, well respect breeds respect. Their are a hand full of people in the martial arts community that I have complete faith in if they have respect for you then so do I even if I should never meet you. I beleave that many years ago this is probably how the whole title thingy work but like I said today times are a different. All you really have when you get down to it is yourself, a title in front of your name won't change you one way or the other. Rocky aka, King of corto, Duke of Dumog, Master of Martial, and for you ladies, Lord of the Long Stick :-)!! ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 15:08:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #346 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com in directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan Eskrima, and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.