From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #347 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Sat, 21 Aug 1999 Vol 06 : Num 347 In this issue: eskrima: Reminder eskrima: Long Post about AWSDA [none] eskrima: Need Mats eskrima: PMAA email list eskrima: Spanish martial arts eskrima: Re: Character not titles eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan Eskrima, and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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Come practice with us at the "the_dojang-digest", 5+ years of continuous operation. the_dojang-digest is a 745 member e-mail distribution list for the respectful discussion of all Korean martial arts, for those wheresoever dispersed around the globe. All are welcome! The list is managed by "Majordomo". To subscribe to the_dojang-digest send e-mail to the address; majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com with subscribe the_dojang-digest in the BODY of the message, top line and left justified (not in the subject line). Also, make sure your e-mail is not in HTML format, use 'Plain Text' if using Outlook or Outlook Express. Brought to you by http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! ------------------------------ From: TaoArt@aol.com Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 23:12:02 EDT Subject: eskrima: Long Post about AWSDA From August 5-9, I attended the Eighth Annual American Women's Self Defense Association's Training Conference in Long Island. Here is a rundown of my experience.... As a precursor, I have been a member of AWSDA for almost 4 years now. I have attended and taught at the conferences held in Sacramento, Orlando and now Long Island. I missed the Chicago date because I was 6 months pregnant at the time. This was, above and beyond, the best AWSDA event to date... and this was the opinion of many more than myself. If I would provide only one criticism it would be this: There was TOO much to do. Classes began at 7AM and went straight through til 8PM with only a short lunch break. Each course was a minimum of 2 hours long (some as long as 5 hours). Dinner was at 8:30 when everyone gathered (after a quick shower) to discuss all the new stuff they learned. The turnout was respectable... I'm uncertain as to the exact numbers, but well over 150 attendees, from as far away as Alaska. I started the day with a quick breakfast and delivering/accepting hugs and handshakes from a host of faces I see only once a year. These are good people who proudly wear their motto on the front of their shirts "Loyalty Above All Else..." and on the back "Except Honor". These professionals are a rich diversity of races and religons, but we all share a common goal: Teaching women that they have the absolute right to protect themselves... and giving them the training to do so successfully. The first class I attended was put on by a husband and wife team... both parents and both undercover cops for the NYPD. Lisa and George showed a series of defensive techniques while holding an infant in your arms... how to block, strike and even leg grapple. They covered handgun disarms when you have to consider the people around you (so that your disarm does not cause a misfire into an innocent bystander). A good class that could have used about 2 more hours to cover more scenarios. Then I was delighted to find out that both my student and I won the lottery drawing to attend the Environmental Simulator at the Modern Warrior facility on Long Island. I have been through the ES once before when I attended the International Use of Force conference a few years ago (as a law enforcement trainer). The ES training started with the first scenario: You are armed with a revolver and an attacker is charging you from in front as well as another from behind. You have to kick back the dummy as it swings toward you, drop into ground shooting position (on your back with legs crossed), shoot the knife weilding dummy, address the advancing one in back, shoot from the same position (which means you are looking at him upside down) and then roll out while keeping you firearm trained on the last attacker. The next scenario was the following: You enter into a restaurant and are told to have a seat at the table in the rear with your friend. You have a sidearm in your purse or in your waistband. Sometime during the next few minutes something - but you have no idea what - will happen. My scenario was a mob hit. The 3rd man to walk in acted normal, but raised his voice as he walked past one table, drew a gun and started shooting. He got 2 people before I could get to my feet and draw my sidearm. He shot a third as I fired. I hit him center mass once and in the hand holding the gun once. The scenerio was called to a halt and we reviewed my procedures. I actually aimed for center mass both shots but the instructor said that it is common to subconsciously aim for the perceived threat (the gun). However, my reaction time was decent (for a civilian) and the center mass shot was well placed. The last scenario was the city scape. You know only three things: 2 men are chasing you, there is a second, loaded sidearm somewhere in the room, and when the lights go on and the rain turns off the scenario is over. I went last of about 12 people. I opted not to wear body armor but the face mask is mandatory. These are plastic bullets being shot with real gun powder from real guns (Simmunitions for those who know the stuff). The moment I ran into the 2 story warehouse it was raining (sprinkler system), there were strobe lights and sirens and there was a huge fan simulating wind. I chose to dive under the fence in front of me instead of going up over it (making me a target). I scanned and saw a man high and to my right. I shot and then did a dive roll over the car hood in front of me. At this point my mask decided to spin around almost completely removing my vision. O joy. As I adjusted it, I noticed the second firearm on the seat of the car. I dove through the open window, grabbed the gun and threw myself back out. I was about to discard my other gun because in my excitement, I failed to count my shots. But I knew that I didn't use all six. Then I remembered that you never leave a loaded weapon behind you. Meanwhile, I am being shot at. So I shove the gun in my waistband. And my pants almost fall. This never happens in the friggin' movies, I say to myself. So screw it. I hold both guns, one in each hand, and I make for the building behind me. I dive behind the wall and make the REALLY stupid choice of looking around the wall to see if I am being followed. POCK! I just got shot in the head. Damn. I duck back behind the wall. Then I realize it is a wood wall: Concealment. Not Cover. (Can't shoot through cover). So I run down the hall toward the elevator. The doors open and I run in. The strobe lights are flickering as the door to my left (as opposed to the door in front of me) opens up. I dive roll out and see a figure descending toward me. I shoot both guns twice into his center mass (ok, maybe a wee bit overkill). I then hear a noise behind me and start running again. In total, I was chased through the simulator three times without even a pause. I think the staff had it in for me because most of them were friends of mine. :) I changed out of my wet clothes and examined my fresh bruises while laughing with the other particpants at my new nickname: Two-Gun Meghan. We got back too late for me to attend the second half of a class I missed last year and wanted to go to this year: Edged Weapons Put Bluntly by NYPD's Pat Mclaughlin. A very graphic and analytical look at the damage capabilities of edged weapons as well as a an examination of case studies. The next morning I took a class in Verbal Self Defense Training. It was a decent course but I had a difficult time with a particular scenario that the instructor used to describe as an example of "harrassment". I found the scenario to be simply a misunderstanding and mixed messages and did not justify her response. I also found myself on the receiving end of a number of comments about my insensitivity to the plight of women. Ah well. Won't be the first time. I guess being a woman doesn't automatically qualify me as "informed" in this area. Next, I took a refresher in the Physiology of Stress & Application to Combat which discussed the effects of Epinephrine (Adrenaline) on the Mind and Body. A wonderful multi-media presentation that turned dry science into a festival of learning. Kudos to the instructor. He obviously put a huge effort into his presentation. I then took a review course in Handgun Safety (already know the material, but it is always good to review such vital info). Had a good time with the interactive cd-rom display as well as the laser target system. Won a prize by being the best shot... 30 bullseyes in 35 seconds with 3 misses. Next was a fabulous course in Instinctive Firearm Disarming and Retention. I don't usually bulk up on the firearm courses, but I will probably be purchasing a firearm next year and wanted some good exposure to various experts. I really appreciated the blind disarms we worked on. Last for that day was probably the 2nd best course of the weekend: Steven Jimmerfield's One on One Control Tactics and Ground Fighting. Steven is a straight talking man who has put a huge effort in devising control techniques and escapes that involve as little strength as possible. He is a cop from Alaska. I plan on having him fly out to my facility for a seminar. The last day was filled mostly with my own lecture on Concepts in Self Defense. Did the lecture twice. Then took a class another class in Ground Fighting from Linda Lang... a very humble and powerful woman. Also took a real look at lethal force in Phil Messina's "See Jane Fight, See Dick Die". That man (and his wife) will never cease to amaze me. Ended the conference with the Regional Director's Meeting. Said our goodbye's... gave one last sneak attack on my friend Barry and then drove 5 hours to home. Next year's conference will be in the state of Washington, I believe. Sounds like another good excuse to travel, roll around on the ground with a 6'8 attacker (who is the nicest man I ever knee'd in the groin) and jump each other in the hotel elevator. Meghan Gardner Instructor Director AMWA http://users.aol.com/taoart/amwa/amwa.htm - A Comprehensive Martial Arts and Self Defense website: With an online bookstore, public bulletin board, articles, and over 1000 links. ------------------------------ From: Luis Pellicer Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 12:02:52 +0800 Subject: [none] >I had a guy at one of my seminars tell me about the 18 >different black belts he had from various other styles at the age of 24, >well I watched him do a few things then I informed him that he was >either a liar or had the worst instructors in the world, why shmooze >him, maybe it takes someone like me to set him straight and put him on >the right path. The Rock says "Know your damn role". If you can smell what the Rock is cooking! YEAH! LSPIII ------------------------------ From: Rocky Pasiwk Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 01:01:13 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Need Mats I am remodeling my school and am toying with the idea of matting the whole floor, any info on good deals on mats would be greatly appreciated. Please e-mail me privately, rocpas@ameritech.com Thank You Rocky ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 22:27:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: PMAA email list FYI to all... I will soon be administering a third email distribution list. This will be an email list for the Police Martial Arts Association (PMAA). As one might guess, it will be the pmaa-digest. Not sure yet if membership will only be open to LEOs, or only open to members of the PMAA, or exactly what... But I will keep you all informed, whatever the situation. Not to worry, the_dojang and the eskrima-digest will continue on as in the past, i.e. being the BEST lists going because of your active participation. Ray Terry rterry@best.com ------------------------------ From: Ludwig Schwarz Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 09:11:43 +0200 (MEST) Subject: eskrima: Spanish martial arts > > Medieval and Renaissance combat arts from surviving manuscripts, and > > recently one of my contacts who knew of my interest in knife work sent me a > > Spanish book from 1849 (!) that covers this very topic: > > > > "Manual del Baratero" > > (Book of the Baratero) > > Arte de Manejaer la Navaja > > (Art of using the navaja) > > El Cuchillo y la Tijera de los Jitanos > > (The knife and the crown of the Gypsies) > > Interesting to note that the Gypsies had shears fighting techniques. They > often carried shears and quickly realized how to use them... Actually the word "Tijera" means precisely "shears" and not "crown"...The book is very famous, bu I never saw an actual copy of it. Could yo please tell me, if there has been a reprint, or if you have one of the originals from las century? And if it has been reprinted, couold you please tell me the Adress wher eI could get this book? To the other Thread: "Zipota": Sorry, never heard of it...But in the Canary Islands (also a part of Spain) they have a very curious indigenous Martial Art called "El Juego del Palo" which is...Stickfighting! They play with a Stick of about 1.20 m which ist more pointed at one end and more thick at the other. Kind of a Pool Cue. And they use it either holding it at one end and hitting resp. thrusting with the other, or holding it by the mid-section and twirling it around à la Dart Maul..... Greetings Ludwig Germany - -- Sent through Global Message Exchange - http://www.gmx.net ------------------------------ From: abanico-video-knuettel@t-online.de (Dieter Knüttel) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 11:24:25 +0200 Subject: eskrima: Re: Character not titles Rocky Pasiwk wrote: > If you worry more about being good and sticking to whats > right and true, then you won't need some silly title or have to ride > someone elses shirt tails to be respected. And if your respected so will > your students be.You've heard the saying welfare breeds welfare, well > respect breeds respect. Their are a hand full of people in the martial > arts community that I have complete faith in if they have respect for > you then so do I even if I should never meet you. I beleave that many > years ago this is probably how the whole title thingy work but like I > said today times are a different. All you really have when you get down > to it is yourself, a title in front of your name won't change you one > way or the other. I think Rocky is right, there may be many frauds out there with titles. But it does not work the other way round: just because one does NOT have a title does not mean, that he has already a good character and is a good fighter/teacher. And also good martial artists may have titles (TUHON Bill McGrath to use one of your examples). I think some part of the problem is, that we should not generalize. If we try to evaluate the persons by the way they act, teach or fight, I think we would be a step further. And a title in front of the name should may be make one only look even closer. It does not make you a better martial artist (or character), but just for the reason of the title it does not make you a bad martial artist (character) either. Best regards from Germany Dieter Knüttel ABANICO Video Productions European Modern Arnis Representative E-Mail: abanico-video-knuettel@t-online.de Internet: http://www.dao.com/abanico/ ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 06:10:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #347 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com in directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan Eskrima, and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.