From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #354 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Thurs, 26 Aug 1999 Vol 06 : Num 354 In this issue: Re: eskrima: Re: Dog Eaters, and "exemplary" behavior eskrima: Portland Eskrima [none] eskrima: tatami mats in canada eskrima: Pekiti-Tirsia near San Jose, CA? eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #352 eskrima: An exemplary life... eskrima: PEKITI SEMINAR eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #353 eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan Eskrima, and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 16:34:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: eskrima: Re: Dog Eaters, and "exemplary" behavior >>> harder from there - they also have a code of conduct that each member is >>> supposed to live by - they are to live exemplarty lifes -- i'll give you one >>> example of the creedo - every insult is a challenge - and every challenge is >>> to the death - these are not mere words - they live by this -- >> >> This is living an exemplary life? Umm... > > Exemplary doesn't imply any specific moral or ethical base, just shows > that the behavior is supposed to act as a model or example for others. > Not to mention the fact that different cultures and peoples have > different concepts of what's "right" and what's "wrong". The Dog Eaters > seem to prize honesty and honor over peace, different from popular Granted there are various cultures,,, gang culturers, prison cultures, etc. But when it comes to viable cultures, cultures that make a contribution in a civilized nation, I know of none in which it is reasonable to kill a person for an insult. Should a 'Yo Mama is so fat that when she sits around the house she really sits around the house' result in someones death? Not in my book. An honest and honorable person doesn't go around looking for reasons to fight to the death. But you and your 7 brothers back me into a corner and you're all in big trouble. That isn't a threat, just the mindset one must have to survive when the feces hits the oscillator. Yes? > American culture where it's acceptable to lie through your teeth and > insult everyone, so long as you don't start violence. That is -popular- in America? Not from my experience. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Wschpunyo@aol.com Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 19:28:00 EDT Subject: eskrima: Portland Eskrima >>Hello all...I have a friend who lives in Portland Or...who wants to begin Scriba training...any arnis/Escrima teachers in that area I can put him in contact with?..thanks...Deputy Raleigh Adams>> Greetings Mr. Adams. There are a number of excellent FMA instructors in the Portland area. Guru John Daniels, Guru Kurtis Goodwin, Leonard Trigg, and Sifu Al Dacascos to name a few. Feel free to e-mail me privately and I can hook you up with Guru Daniels, Guru Goodwin and/or Sifu Al. Perhaps someone else on the list has contact info on Mr. Trigg. There is also some excellent Silat people here as well if you are interested. William Schultz wschpunyo@aol.com ------------------------------ From: "Vincent Bollozos" Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 16:33:44 PDT Subject: [none] ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Vincent Bollozos" Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 16:38:41 PDT Subject: eskrima: tatami mats in canada to my country men(specially those in ontario): where can i get tatami mats? they are actually going to be used for my apt. (not for training) so i don't want the rubberized ones. can anyone help me. vince ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Gints Klimanis Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 17:08:49 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Pekiti-Tirsia near San Jose, CA? Hi ! I'm interested in checking out Pekiti-Tirsia Kali in the San Francisco/San Jose, CA area. I sent email to tuhon William McGrath but have not yet received a reply. The PTK web site lists Mike Franciotti as the area representative. Western U.S. : Mataas Na Guro Michael Franciotti TEL (408) 736-7873 1247 South Mary Ave. Sunnyvale, CA. 94087 However, the fellow at that phone number has not heard of Mr. Franciotti. Would anyone know any PTK instructors in my area? Gratefully, Gints ------------------------------ From: SReiter000@aol.com Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 20:54:10 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #352 In a message dated 8/25/99 6:33:48 AM Pacific Daylight Time, eskrima-digest-ray ray terry writes: << This is living an exemplary life? Umm... i guess the thought process here is do unto others - they dont insult people - - they treat them with respect - so if you insult them - they take it as a challenge - it's a personal afront - it's like someone disrespecting you to the n(th) degree -- no you must keep in mind the third world, values are quite different then here - you've been around fma long enough to here the stories of family members getting into a disagreement and they pull the bolo's and someone gets dead -- i'll go one better - a story Tuhon Mcgrath related to me- when GT Gaje was a small child his grandfather placed him on a horse grabbed his sword and went to duel with a neighbor who had move the rock which served as a land boundry - GT's grandfather told him that if he died in battle, to go and tell his grandmother where to recover the body - this was GT's first foray into FMA - now here we would never think of killing of a land dispute -- but there land means survival - the more land - the more crops,ect. i doubt they had surveyors and boundy marks registared at the town hall like we do here -- wouldnt you under the same conditions do the same - GT's grandfather didnt try to steal land - but when it was stolen from him he reacted - steve ------------------------------ From: " Bad Karma " Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 20:39:11 -0700 Subject: eskrima: An exemplary life... Ray, >This is living an exemplary life? Umm... Well, I don't think it's an ``exemplary'' life either, but SReiter000@aol.com did say ``they are to live exemplarty lifes''. Whatever an ``exemplarty'' life might be. - --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ------------------------------ From: "BILL MCGRATH" Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 23:47:38 -0700 Subject: eskrima: PEKITI SEMINAR TWO DAY PEKITI-TIRSIA SEMINAR Where: Musical Theatre Works, 440 Lafayette St, Manhattan, N.Y. When: Sept. 11th & 12th, 10 AM to 5 PM (with one hour lunch break). Curriculum: Abcedario de Mano (144 empty hand strikes) with knife variations of same. Cost: PTI member early price (by 9/1/99): $50 per day. PTI member door price: $55 per day. Non PTI member early price: $60 per day. Non PTI member door price: $65 per day. Instructor: Tuhon Bill McGrath The Abcedario de Mano consists of 12 individual sets themselves consisting of 12 strikes each. Each set specializes in a particular weapon of the body such as elbows, palm strikes, fist, kicks, eye jabs, etc. It is particularly well suited for those seeking to refine their personal fighting style. Hope to see you there, Tuhon Bill McGrath ------------------------------ From: SReiter000@aol.com Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 02:30:57 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #353 In a message dated 8/25/99 4:12:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << > > harder from there - they also have a code of conduct that each member is > > supposed to live by - they are to live exemplarty lifes -- i'll give you one > > example of the creedo - every insult is a challenge - and every challenge is > > to the death - these are not mere words - they live by this -- > > This is living an exemplary life? Umm... Exemplary doesn't imply any specific moral or ethical base, just shows that the behavior is supposed to act as a model or example for others. Not to mention the fact that different cultures and peoples have different concepts of what's "right" and what's "wrong". The Dog Eaters seem to prize honesty and honor over peace, different from popular American culture where it's acceptable to lie through your teeth and insult everyone, so long as you don't start violence. Jus' nitpickin', Joe S. >> good point joe -- just wanted to add that i mentioned only one of many rules they live by - just to make a point on the subject of dealing with people letting out tapes - i could have just as easily stated there rule of brotherly love and compasion where is is incombant upon any member to help each other out - if i have food and you dont - i am to see to it your taken care of. the list goes on and on - purhaps if i get permission i will post the entire "rules of good living" - marc denny was with me, and the two of us shared almost every meal in private audience with GT gaje'- he knows some of what GT Gaje's thoughts are on how life should be lead. although he wasnt privy to my priviate meeting when i was inducted and given the training regiment and code of conduct - steve ps. This is living an exemplary life? Umm... <<< sounds like a insult/challenge to their way of life - ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 06:44:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #354 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com in directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan Eskrima, and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.