From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #363 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Tues, 31 Aug 1999 Vol 06 : Num 363 In this issue: eskrima: Tail wags and PT Camp announcement eskrima: BB Article eskrima: toilet talk eskrima: Opinion on a book please eskrima: Re: Silat DeThouars eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #361 eskrima: American violence/attitude eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #345 eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan Eskrima, and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Marc Denny" Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 07:18:25 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Tail wags and PT Camp announcement A Howl of Greeting to All: First, thanks to everyone's best wishes both on the ED and via e-mail regarding my son's birth. They put a wag in the tail. Thank you all. Also, I would like to announce that this coming December 3-15, Grand Tuhon Leo Gaje will be holding a Pekiti Tirsia training camp in the Philippines and that all the information you need to look into it can be found on our website: www.dogbrothers.com In addition to the info you can find there, I would like to add that if you go to the URL for the hotel you can find lots of useful travel information as well as info about and pictures of the hotel and surroundings. Woof, a sleeping Crafty Dog ------------------------------ From: "Marc Denny" Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 07:32:50 -0700 Subject: eskrima: BB Article Yip: FYI: List member Steve Drape has a FMA article in the issue of Black Belt that is just starting to hit the newsstands. Woof, Crafty ------------------------------ From: Patrick Davies Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 10:41:42 +0100 Subject: eskrima: toilet talk A couple of years ago I read a magazine article in Terry O'Neils Fighting Arts in the UK that concerned the martial way of going to the toilet. Laugh you may but some of the most vulnerable moments in our life are at those moments of total relaxation. The article related to a spate of robberies in New York where two people would rob men in toilets when the trousers were down. One assailant would slip under the door and grab hold of the trousers. Immediately his partner would pull him back causing the sitting person to crack their head off the toilet whilst being dragged in a rather embarrassing state under the doorway. Meanwhile the pockets would be emptied and if entry to the cubicle can be gained then other valuables were liberated. Covered in ...well you know what...the victim would hardly be in a state to give chase and often needed hospital attention. Now of course, as the gentlemen on the list know, when you go to the standing up section of the public toilets you are vulnerable to attack from behind with your head very likely to make acquaintance with the cheap wall tiles we tend to aimlessly look at so many times. Now, according to what I can remember of the article, the samurai sat in a special way with one foot forward and their sword positioned in such a manner that it could be used should anyone dare try to take advantage. Having read many interesting articles from people on this list who tend to detail self defence scenarios I wondered what their input would be. In my old career as a nightclub/bar doorman, I would never stand at the urinals but would go into a cubical and stand sideways with the door open. I have had to kick open many doors to catch drug misusers in clubs to know that that can shock the system and cause them to freeze sufficiently long enough to take control. I usually instructed the doorstaff to use, if possible the staff toilets. The toilets are generally an isolated place that is fraught with danger and so in checking the toilet I always made sure that someone was aware that I was in checking. In fact Marc McFann commented that my way of running a door was akin to a military operation when I showed him the working one visit but I don't recall any doorman getting serious injury during my period of running that nightclub. In regard to recent topics here I have repositioned my work desk in such a way that anyone approaching me is monitored although the boss did take exception to the trip wire. After a spate of celebrity robberies in the uk where robbers have come through the car passenger door and stolen some very expensive items while the famous were sitting at traffic lights I now have my car doors locked and a selection of readily available items positioned for effective response. But perhaps there is already a method of self protection for when you want to...well you know what! Pat Aberdeen Martial Arts Group ------------------------------ From: "Branwen Thomas" Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 12:16:07 -0230 Subject: eskrima: Opinion on a book please Hi all, I'm doing my fall orders, and there's a book advertised - _Placido Yambao's Art of Arnis_ I'm not familiar with the name, and was wondering if anyone knows of the book/author/arnisador etc and could give me an opinion. You can email me privately branwen@seascape.com or if Ray doesn't mind, the list. Also, for those interested, the 6th book in the Bruce Lee Library (pub. Tuttle Publishing) _Artist of Life_ is due out in Sept (in Canada anyway). Thanks, Jocelyne Roaring Girl * Purveyor Of Fine Books * Beater Of Bodhrans * Smiter Of The Wicked * * Owned By Angus, Most Elegant And Pleasing Of Cats * ------------------------------ From: Joe Marszalek Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 08:45:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Re: Silat DeThouars >> Penkekar Paul has also kicked out Silat player and ?>> former special forces operative Steve Plinck. Burt >> Richardson, Dan Inosanto, and Cass Magda are no >> longer listed as Serak/Bukti players. I heard that the Bukti-Negara group wanted students who only studied their style. Even experienced it here in Pittsburgh. A Bukti-Negara instructor wasn't interested in having any new students in unless they studied only with him. They say it's due to fact they don't want their style water-down with other styles. That doesn't have to be the case. That can happen with cross-training but it doesn't have too. Not if done correctly. I think their type of approach will hinder the existance of Bukti-Negara in the long run as well as the possible number of students that will never be able to enjoy it. Sincereley, Joe Marszalek === Web Admin for Martial Arts Koncepts -- http://home.earthlink.net/~makoncept __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Tobias Kohlenberg Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:02:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #361 On Mon, 30 Aug 1999 eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com wrote: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From: "Steven Drape" > Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 07:32:43 PDT > Subject: eskrima: Re: Congrats!!! > > > On Sunday August 29th at 12:18PM my son Conrad is born! 8lbs. 1oz. > >Cindy did natural the whole way. I'm impressed-- tougher than all my > >stickfights put together! > > > >Daddy "Crafty Dog" Denny > > Congratulations!! I'm waiting (eagerly?, apprehensively?) for my own in > October. Both are totally appropriate. :) My second was just born. Remember to start them early. My older daughter is 5 and we have been practicing boxing and grappling for over a year. She has pretty good form and the power will come later. I stopped with the sticks- she hit my knuckles one time too many (talk about an unpredictable opponent) Toby finger me for my public key ------------------------------ From: AnimalMac@aol.com Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 13:02:27 EDT Subject: eskrima: American violence/attitude sorry folks, this one is a little long Animal << People here now prize their "attitude" more than their capacity for reasoning, often possessing more of the former than the latter :-) >> "If attitude was all it took, we'd all be famous" The Tupperware Kid What always amazes me about purveyors of attitude is that they seem to forget the wisdom of Al Capon can also apply to them "You can get further with a kind word and a gun than you can with a kind word alone." A great many people fail to realize that a violent person also has attitude and often a weapon to back it up. >The less "intelligent" people are, the more they prefer the stuff of emotionally-driven actions to well-reasoned/well thought out ones. Actually, intellegence per say often has little to do with that. I'd look more toward narcissistic personality. It is only with the less intellegent people that it is more obvious and cruder forms. >I've known some real dim bulbs who had high standing in rare intellectual qualifications like theoretical computer science and logic programming who couldn't figure out how to keep from getting speeding tickets That's why they are beginning to measure intellegence in categories such as physical intellence, emotional intellegence, mathimatical etc. etc. Someone can be a genius in one and an idiot in others. >More people these days reflect what has been observed about murderers ... out of touch with the experience of the victim ... and out of touch with their own potentials for experiencing pain and/or injury. Go read Dr Stanton Samenow's "Inside the criminal mind" It is the best book I have ever read on what goes on with criminals, abusers and other lowlifes. It makes total hamburger out of many of the sacred cows of psychology and criminology regarding why criminals do what they do. Having dealt with the bastards first hand I can tell you I agree with Samenow's assumption that these people's actions don't come from low self-esteem, but the direct opposite. They are total ego maniacs. >One of the most sobering thoughts to have as we progress in training may be that what we are training to do to someone else, someone else can do to us. To quote the movie The Stuntman: "Welcome to the same movie" Anytime a person uses violence, he/she must accept that inheriently the same can be used against them. Which brings up an interesting concept whose roots extend down into the maxium of "the willingness to use violence is the best deterrent against violence." This odd paradox is one of the most overlooked issues about self-defense and crime prevention. I would like you to consider this simple fact; The only time someone goes on a rampage is when he is the only one armed. While true "suicide by cop" episodes do occur, most people who are taken down during a rampage started shooting when they were the only ones armed. One of Samenow's major points is that criminals and violent people are not insane. A truely insane person would feel compelled to act, even if he knew he couldn't get away with it. In otherwords, it wouldn't matter if a cop is standing right there, the criminal would have to act. The fact that they can control themselves means they are conscious and aware of their actions. They choose to act. >Some people will not respect anyone any other way, but once they're in touch with what can happen to them if they behave in ways that involve disrespect their behavior can change (or they degenerate into a more disrespectful beast, or they don't get very far, eh? :-) Some who are out of touch will do things without thinking and start a fight. We have come to the crux of the matter of how to prevent violence. A key point I stress in training people: It doesn't matter if the guy can get away with it or not. What determines if the guy will attack or not is whether or not is that he PERCEIVES that he can get away with it. Whether he has totally underestimated the situation (or doesn't recognize the danger signals) or his own internal garbage is so overwhelming that he is blinded to everything else but the message inside his own head doesn't matter. If he thinks he can get away with it he will go for it. I guarantee you this. You have to project the fact that you will punish him for any attack against you. In otherwords you have to let the guy know, right here and now, if he moves it's going to cost him. Here however is where it gets tricky: YOU HAVE TO DO IT IN A MANNER THAT HE UNDERSTANDS. You can be the baddest meanest S.O.B. that ever walked the face of the earth and if the clown who is thinking of messing with you doesn't understand your signals, he will attack. Many of these signals are culturally determined. The red flags of one culture won't be understood by another. I grew up in a barrio, when I got cranky Hispanics and Orientals took one look at me and backpedalled. They recognized the signals. On the other hand Whites and Blacks tended to get more aggressive. It wasn't until I learned to change my radio frequency and send out messages that they understood that these groups started going "Oops." For years I had to do what I called "Cartoon Tough" which was I had to put on the banners and flags that people understood as "leave this guy alone" signals. I am no less dangerous when I am wearing a suit, than when I am dressed in leathers and dripping chains. But I was confronted more when I was wearing nicer clothes. Because the signals aren't there. In fact, I suspect that my bodylanguage sending one signal and my nice clothes sending another caused more problems with would-be toughs. (In fact, I currently have a troublesome white trash neighbor who is confused by the signals my body sends and the opposing signals when he sees me working in my garden and mowing the lawn. He's not sure of what to make of me since I am not sending clear signals to him). Training alone isn't enough to send the "Leave this one alone" signal. If you work in a corporate environment your clothes are really going to hamper your attempts to send a "don't mess with me" message with someone who thinks he can get away with attacking you. Going flat eyed often isn't enough to overcome the mixed signals and the toughguys preconceptions. This is especially true when dealing with cultures who don't recognize it. What I have found to be useful for overcoming these mixed signals and it seems to work no matter what the culture or social level of the person confronting you is the same beserker gleam that the Archangel Michael got in the movie of the same name. "BATTLE!" If you get a maniacal gleam in your eye that says "Hey, I just learned this great disemboweling technique that I have been waiting to try out and you're volunteering, right? Kewl!" This tends to cause most to sit back and reconsider how safe it is to attack you. Even if the guy is in the middle of an emotional hissy fit, the fact that you're projecting that you are going to really enjoy playing show and tell with his vital organs if he attacks tends to cause them to back down. If you go into a situation with the attitude of "I really don't want to fight" it will happen - it's almost guaranteed. If you go into a situation with the attitude of "I don't want to fight, but I'll drop you like a prom dress if you move" you have about a 50/50 chance. But, if you go into a situation with an attitude of "You know, I'm only hanging onto civilized behavior by a thread, and if you attack me you'll give me the excuse to gouge out your eye and skull f**k you to death - which is what I really want to do anyway. So PLEASE attack me...pretty please?" You will be amazed at how many people will leave you alone. I know this sounds psycho, but remember it's not what you can do that will determine if he attacks or not, but what he thinks you can do to him. ------------------------------ From: Alfonso Pescador Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:14:56 +0200 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #345 Dear Sir, I am a Spanish FMA and Karate Black Belt practicioner very interested in the blade arts. I don't live neither in Sevilla nor in Andalucia, but I have visited it several times. I live in the city of Zaragoza, in the north-east of Spain. I have extensively practised blade arts and I own one of the bests (the best) libraries in knife fighting books i know in Spain. I have been researching for a long time in my country about traditional blade arts and I couldn't find anything more than old books, that I suppose you have heard about (Manual del baratero, The spanish navaja and it's use, La navaja espaņola and La navaja espaņola antigua...) and some stories about Pepe Llulla and some other Spanish that travelled to New Orleans and rulled Fencing academies there. I am greatly surprised about the book you have written and I am waiting anxiously to buy and review it. I will tell you my opinion after reading. Paladin Press is a bit slow sending books to Spain, so don't eexpect my opinion before several months. Greetings from Spain Alfonso Pescador ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 14:12:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #363 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com in directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan Eskrima, and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.