From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #365 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Wed, 1 Sept 1999 Vol 06 : Num 365 In this issue: eskrima: street wise-stay alive in the loo [none] eskrima: (no subject) eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #364 eskrima: Las Vegas Camp eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #364 eskrima: bark bark eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #364 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #363 eskrima: Re: Silat DeThouars eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan Eskrima, and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Patrick Davies Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 15:44:25 +0100 Subject: eskrima: street wise-stay alive in the loo Thanks for the reply! However I resorted to button fly since I last tried the art of being unzipped ; ) But I would urge anyone that trains in a restroom while "hanging out" to make sure that there is no one else in there at the time or in deed likely to walk in on you! How embarrassing! Grin Which blows can you give could give Punyo a new meaning? (im loving this..grin) Michael is right in that in wearing the kilt I could be readily armed with my skean dhu but I have a serious problem with the cross dressing lark ; ) - ------------------------------ From: Bladewerks@aol.com Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 23:49:00 EDT Subject: eskrima: street wise-stay alive A hardy right on to the last list by Pattrick Davies.Situational Awarness is something Martial Artist often forget to "train", snip Practicing the art of overcoming "inhibitions" (the inhibition of turning to fight while not zipped up for example) is something that is kinda hard to develop(actors do it snip next time you are in a public restroom to turn around with your pants unzipped and start shadowboxing,but some serious mental checks the next time couldnt hurt.Questions like " what defensive blocks/pary's ect. could I execute from this position snipped!!! ; ) ------------------------------ From: "J" Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:00:40 -0400 Subject: [none] Animal: >I know this sounds psycho, but remember it's not what you can do that will >determine if he attacks or not, but what he thinks you can do to him. > This works to some extent, but when your a women....... well it does now work a well I have found the physo bitch thing does now work as well as the all out evil glare calm quite and calculating look. staring down works best for me as a women all the noise and hype jumping around and looking insane, dose not fly as well with a women cold quiet and evil is the look for me hehe j bows deeply "J grins evilly at you all and then walks away untouched" ------------------------------ From: Rocky Pasiwk Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 11:37:21 -0700 Subject: eskrima: (no subject) Congrats: Marc and Cindy, now the fun begins! Best wishes Rocky Pasiwk P.S Women sure are tough arn't they!! ------------------------------ From: AnimalMac@aol.com Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 11:49:06 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #364 In a message dated 9/1/99 2:26:41 PM !!!First Boot!!!, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Care to expand on the cultural differences as applied to giving out signals? Or is it going to be in the next book? May I suggest a video with re-enactments? >> Uh no...as it is I am really skating the line of being branded a racist. Which, if you know me, is patently absurd. If you understand a culture you not only understand its strengths, but its flaws too. That is not a way to popularity to those with agendas. > Given current multicultural environment such education would be helpful and probably unique. I couldn't agree more. However, I want to point out that we live in a country where established cultural/social conditions are announced by HBO and Newsweek (Regarding Chris Rocks show on HBO. Personally I'm shocked that there are people so out of touch with reality that they didn't know the difference). Just know there are these differences and while officially nobody wants to talk about them, recognizing them can be the difference between life and death. ------------------------------ From: RBalicki@aol.com Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 12:00:48 EDT Subject: eskrima: Las Vegas Camp Hi everyone, The Las Vegas camp is getting close, September 10th, 11th & 12th. We are giving Eskrima Digest members a 10% discount. If you want to know more about the seminar check out Ron Balicki's web site . Thanks Ron Balicki ------------------------------ From: AnimalMac@aol.com Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 12:15:11 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #364 In a message dated 9/1/99 2:26:41 PM !!!First Boot!!!, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << but the attitude that I was talking about is the one that has some people thinking that there are no consequences for their actions, like they can do whatever they want and life is about what they want and think. >> Absolutely...but do you recognize how much that ties back into "he thinks he can get away with it?" To most violent people it's like a credit card company sending them someone else's credit card. They can use it to get what they want and never have pay the bill. As long as they think that is the case, then they will act. It's only when they realize that there is no credit for their bad behavior that they sit back on their haunches. This even ties back to what you were saying about the clown who jumped in your face at the laundrymat and those fools who think pedestrians have the right of way will protect them from the laws of momentum. The person is so far into denial of anything outside his own wants and feelings that he proceeds as if the world will conform to his expectations. As long as the person gets away with it, he's going to continue acting that way. By this I mean the person doesn't pay for his actions. The guy in the laundry mat backed off - while it didn't work that time, it wasn't a total disaster either. He didn't get his nose driven through the back of his skull. Which means sometime in the future he will probably do it to someone else. He will still think it is a viable means of getting his way, occassionally it doesn't work, but most often it does. The same with the pedestrian who walks out in the street. As long as cars slam on their brakes and wave fingers at him, there is no cost to him for his actions. This seems like it is really splitting hairs, but it's not. These clowns have learned that they can get their way by extreme behavior. Just setting a boundary is often not enough, they have learned that they can usually run over someone who says no or even gets verbally upset. It's not until they see something else backing up your words that they will abort. And that is their attitude, if they don't see that something else that tells them "one more step and it's your blood" they will push. I want you to notice something important about the guy in the laundrymat. As he walked away from the conflict that he started he blamed you. According to him "You were the one who was out of line." That is the mindset of these people. They aren't misbehaving, you're the one who is being the asshole. This is how they justify doing it again and again. This is an important thing to remember because a lot of the time, if you just back someone down, he'll back up on you when your back is turned. You're in the wrong, so whatever he does to you is justified. On the other hand the psycho werewolf on a meth binge act tends to discourage retailation, because if you're excited now about harming him, you'll be just as excited about doing him later. I once had a convict look at my ex and say "Man she is good looking, I might just come up to where you live and visit her." I looked at him and said "If I ever see you around my 'hood, I'll just assume it's self-defense and start shooting." Amazingly enough, I never saw him in my neighborhood. ------------------------------ From: "Marc Denny" Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 09:18:41 -0700 Subject: eskrima: bark bark A Howl etc: Real nice posts from Pat and Animal! Good substance in both. Animal's post on cross-cultural dynamics and miscommunications awakens memories of my youth in NYC. After being thrown out of private school I wound up in a public school that had lots of heroin and was about 40% black (central Harlem), 40% Puerto Rican (Spanish Harlem) and 20% white. (east side). Shortly after my arrival the leader of a black lesbian gang (these were some really tough girls-- they had raped a girl with a coke bottle on the stairs between classes) thought I had insulted her and I, lacking both intent to insult and awareness that I was perceived as having done such, was utterly unaware of the situation and would have walked into an ambush outside the lunchroom but for a PR friend who drew my attention to the situation. Interesting tactical question--get stomped by 7 black lesbians or killed by any and every black guy in the school for striking a black woman or . . .? Woof, Crafty PS: Attention PC idiots about to get in a snit. Racial dynamics can and do exist. ------------------------------ From: d g Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 09:32:21 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #364 > After he'd exercised his 'tude he walked away saying "Man, you > looked like you were gonna jump on me or sumthin'." He was Out Of Touch > Big Time wouldn't you say?:-) Whether it's flipping the finger or getting > in someone's face and barking at the wrong time or for the wrong reasons, > empty attitude-driven actions can cause more trouble than they're worth. > I wonder what he would of thought if he found your bite is worse than your bark....? Donna - -- NO!! My cycle doesn't leak! It marks it's territory. ------------------------------ From: "Gary A. Hudgins" Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 13:49:21 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #363 > > > We have come to the crux of the matter of how to prevent violence. A key > point I stress in training people: It doesn't matter if the guy can get away > with it or not. What determines if the guy will attack or not is whether or > not is that he PERCEIVES that he can get away with it. Whether he has totally > underestimated the situation (or doesn't recognize the danger signals) or his > own internal garbage is so overwhelming that he is blinded to everything else > but the message inside his own head doesn't matter. If he thinks he can get > away with it he will go for it. I guarantee you this. > > My Experience: How to prevent violence? Myiagi in Karate Kid explained it best when explaining a karate block to Danielsan. The best block is to not be there! (Or something to that effect.) A couple of weekend ago, my wife and kids were out of town. With nothing else to do I went back to the office to work. Around 10:00 or 11:00 pm I shut down the computer and decided to go to one of the night spots and get a beer. Ran into a couple of attorney friends and had several cokes and one alcoholic drink. They left I stayed a while. No FMA or JKD around these parts, so I work out at a karate studio. They have a lady's kick boxing class which I sometimes attend. ( I'm one of the live sparring partners that doesn't hit back too hard.) Before I left the bar, I ran into two of the female kick boxing students. After conversation which included the fact that one had just separated from her husband, they wanted to go to the bar across the street where the "husband" might be. She told me several things, but with my age and loud music I did not hear everything she said. This was a Danger signal but of course I did not pick up on it. I think she wanted to go over there to yank his chain and show him she could go out and have a good time. Later at the second bar, (by this time I had only one mixed drink about an hour earlier and maybe 1/3 a bottle of beer. I had about 4 or 5 coke a colas during this same time period.) I danced with both both girls. They left the dance floor. About 10 minutes later I ran into them again and bought one a beer. About that time, I heard some yelling over the music, "Why are F'''''ing with my wife?" At first I thought it was someone I knew but soon realized it was the "husband". A few more choice words were said, but I really could not hear and understand them because of the music and my hearing. I could have put up a front, sent out the "signals" to let him know not to mess with me but this guy was drunk... he would not have cared and could not have correctly interpreted "signals". Was I afraid? Yes!.. How would I explain the black eye, busted lip or what ever I got from a confrontation to my wife and kids? How would I explain to the City why I got arrested for a fight in a bar? (Part of my living is made from representing the red necks that do get in a fight down at the Municipal Court) What would that do to my pay check for the one day a week I spend as public defender for the City? Other than the mean looks and the cussing I got, he made no move toward me! It being almost 2:00 am by now and nothing really exciting happening. (Other than the potential for me getting my a** whipped or me doing the same to him, and a real possiblity that we both of us would get hurt and arrested.) I put up my hands, waived him off, (a "signal" that I did not want any trouble) and walked to another part of the bar. That did not shut him up. I still heard him yelling. Again, he had made no moves toward me, but he could still see me from where he was. SO I LEFT. Could I have handled myself? I really don't know. When we spare in class I can't get the first strike in against these youngsters (16-25) they are too fast for me. I only get in the blows after I have been hit at least once. One day, if I have another opportunity as this night maybe I will stand there and see what happens, but for now "THE BEST BLOCK IS TO NOT BE THERE". (Karate Kid II) Gary H. ------------------------------ From: Todd Ellner Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 12:22:46 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Re: Silat DeThouars Joe Marszalek writes: >>> Penkekar Paul has also kicked out Silat player and ? >>> former special forces operative Steve Plinck. Burt >>> Richardson, Dan Inosanto, and Cass Magda are no >>> longer listed as Serak/Bukti players. This is, alas, true. I've heard a little bit about what went on and got caught in a little of the fall-out. But that's really not the business of anyone except the people involved. Suffice it to say that Guru Magda, Guru Inosanto, and Pendekar de Thouars were on good terms the last I heard. But Cass and Mr. Inosanto teach other Silat in addition to BN. Guru Plinck decided to teach Serak, which he was more comfortable with rather than the newer Bukti Negara curriculum. He and Mr. de Thouars were very close for a very long time; the warmer the relationship the more painful the parting. >I heard that the Bukti-Negara group wanted students who only studied >their style. Even experienced it here in Pittsburgh. A Bukti-Negara >instructor wasn't interested in having any new students in unless they >studied only with him. They say it's due to fact they don't want their >style water-down with other styles. That doesn't have to be the case. >That can happen with cross-training but it doesn't have too. Not if >done correctly. I think their type of approach will hinder the >existance of Bukti-Negara in the long run as well as the possible >number of students that will never be able to enjoy it. This is very unfortunate. Most of the Silat players in this country came to it through other martial arts. In particular the IMA owes a great debt to the JKD family and especially to Guru Inosanto. Exclusivity and an unwillingness to let students make up their own minds about training are signs that an organization is dying rather than growing. When I started taking Bukti Negara I was in a JKDC/Muay Thai/Kali/et cetera class. Eventually time, money and interest constraints caused me to drop everything except the Silat. But plenty of people have dealt effectively with the challenges of cross-training. Cass Magda and Steve Plinck, two of the most enthusiastic Silat players around, believe that it's good to be exposed to other things. I'm currently doing some Lathi with Richard Dobson, and the high point of Tiel's and my year is to spend our vacation learning other stuff at the AWSDA convention. Steve strongly supports this and says that some time down the line we should do some BJJ, not that we are ever going to be BJJ stylists, but to learn how they do things and what that style's strengths and weaknesses are. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:21:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #365 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com in directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan Eskrima, and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.