From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #367 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Fri, 3 Sept 1999 Vol 06 : Num 367 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Yambao's Book eskrima: properties of wavy blade ? Re: eskrima: toilet talk eskrima: Re: Samurai Toilet Stuff eskrima: Re: sitting on the throne eskrima: Re: toilet talk eskrima: Inayan Eskrima/FMA Digest #365 eskrima: Swish of the Kris eskrima: Choice of weapons eskrima: La Toliet eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #366 eskrima: How to clean you cat--the Dog Brother way eskrima: Need e-mail address eskrima: So far on toilet talk and risk assessment eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #366 eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan Eskrima, and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kel620@aol.com Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 15:11:56 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Yambao's Book Placido Yambao's Art of Arnis is currently available through Barnesandnoble.com and Amazon.com. The English translation was done by Master Rey Galang. ------------------------------ From: Gints Klimanis Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 12:25:16 -0700 Subject: eskrima: properties of wavy blade ? Hi ! I own a few wavy, Kris-style blades. Would anyone kindly explain why a rounded but sharpened tip and a wavy blade is an advantage? I haven't noticed these characteristics in Roman, Celtic and European daggers and blades, so I'm wondering about the value. ------------------------------ From: Todd Ellner Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 13:22:56 -0700 Subject: Re: eskrima: toilet talk Ray Terry writes: >A common problem that police officers have is going to the toilet... >No, I don't mean that... Several have had their sidearms taken by going into >the toilet and then hanging their duty belt on the coat hook on the door. >Someone can simply follow the LEO into the john, wait for him/her to get >into reading position and then quickly reach over the door to 'go fish' for >whatever they can find within easy access... When I took my CCW course the instructor was adamant about a couple things. One of them was that you were responsible for whatever happened to your weapon and to never EVER let it out of your control. If you go to the john with your duty belt keep the darned thing on your lap or next to a wall which is inaccessible to people in the next stall or outside. Todd ------------------------------ From: "Dave Huang" Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 14:06:31 PDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Samurai Toilet Stuff The story about the samurai sitting position in the can was relayed, I believe, by David Lowry in his book "Autumn Lightning." I believe it is also in the "Overlook Martial Arts Reader." It was in reference to the degree of "Zanshin" a samurai possessed in the old times. Zanshin is loosely translated, awareness. Dave ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Kilap@aol.com Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 17:54:54 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: sitting on the throne << flush? :) Thing is though, it is a real world consideration that as far as I know no martial or self-defense system trains for. Food for thought..... >> Well you can go the filipino way :) (and alot of others asians do) and that is to squat and if the toilet happens to be the sit down type well put your feet on the seat and squat. Other than getting tanlged in your pants your pretty mobile and you don't have to worry about getting pulled outta the stall by your feet as mentioned in the mugging scenario. Heck they won't realize the stall is occupied unless your're farting up a fracas. Regards, Travis ------------------------------ From: Ted Truscott Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 16:20:46 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Re: toilet talk I think it's Dave Lowry that devotes a chapter of his latest book to how his sensei taught him the right way to "go..." I can't remember the title: Autum Lightning?? ------------------------------ From: "Haru Taka" Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 19:57:04 CDT Subject: eskrima: Inayan Eskrima/FMA Digest #365 AnimalMac stated: "I want to point out that we live in a country where established cultural/social conditions are announced by HBO and Newsweek (Regarding Chris Rocks show on HBO. Personally I'm shocked that there are people so out of touch with reality that they didn't know the difference). Just know there are these differences and while officially nobody wants to talk about them, recognizing them can be the difference between life and death." And as Crafty said: "Attention PC idiots about to get in a snit. Racial dynamics can and do exist. *No offense to Crafty or AnimalMac, I just have a contention to your theories and I'm stating my opinion--AND IT'S NOT ABOUT BEING PC. First of all, Animalmac was correct when he stated that television (including the news)was portraying certain individuals from perceived "racial" groups as having some sort of collective behavioral reactions in combat. If you want to be a successful fighter and always be aware of your surroundings (such that you don't get your ass kicked when you least expect it), information of this sort would definitely be of some use. Unless, of course, you're mistaken about your opponent's "race." Crafty stated that "racial dynamics can and do exist" and I think he would be correct (as long as you and your opponent believe in and adhere to racial classifications and dynamics). Both AnimalMac and Crafty are pointing out a very important issue that all of us, as fighters, must deal with if we're going to be successful. But I think that if we go around looking at our opponents as members of certain "races" and then expect them to behave in a particular way because of that perceived race, then all we're doing is stereotyping and prejudging. This isn't about being PC! I don't care about politics, and when it comes down to you and your opponent, you shouldn't care either--not about politics and not about "race"! If you want to be successful in a fight, I think it would be better to expect any kind of reaction from any opponent. In other words, instead of thinking that your opponent will react in a "culturally normative" way, you should think that your opponent could react in many different ways. Thus, you will be ready for anything. Cultural norms and "racial" dynamics don't mean a thing when you misjudge your opponent's "racial" identity or falsely anticipate a "culturally normative" reaction! What if, for example, you're challenged by a person who you think is "Black" but who doesn't adhere to the "Black" racial dynamics or cultural norms? Well, if you expect that person (per the "cultural norms" of so-called "black" people that you heard of on the news) to first spit at you and then punch you in the face, your going to be pretty pissed off when you're lying on your stomach with a broken rib after your assailant (who could be a martial artist)fakes you out and elbows you in a lower rib. My point is that you're going to get your ass kicked every time if you expect a complete stranger to behave in a certain way because you think they follow a certain dynamic or cultural norm. I think it's better to always be ready for any kind of reaction from anyone at any time. Anticipation is good, but it should not be taken too far. With this state of mind your awareness and reaction time will surely increase...and you'll be a better fighter. - -Haru ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Jivita@aol.com Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 21:28:51 EDT Subject: eskrima: Swish of the Kris FYI folks. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=156355977 ------------------------------ From: Michael Koblic Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 19:19:07 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Choice of weapons Tuhon McGrath: >1. If you could only train on one weapon, which among single stick, >double stick, sword and dagger or knife would you choose? This is an interesting question. Some qualification is probably needed. Would one assume that all of the above are equally accessible and equally legal to carry etc.? If so, one would have to conclude from a historical perspective that a sword is the weapon of choice (an impression borne out by the DBM-1 tape comparing various weapons in head-to-head confrontation - even a wooden sword was doing rather well against the Top Dog). Furthermore, if one chose one of the above, would one learn to fight exclusively against the same weapon or all of them. If the latter were the case, I cannot see how one could avoid learning *some* of the other weapon skills. Mike Koblic, Quesnel BC ------------------------------ From: "BILL MCGRATH" Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 23:07:41 -0700 Subject: eskrima: La Toliet I went to a high school where you simply didn't use the urinal, so I got used to doing everything in the stall while in school. These days, when I have to use a public restroom, I use the handicapped stall. They are usually large enough that, were someone to kick the door open it wouldn't hit you and you are far enough from the sides that it's hard to grab your legs from another stall or from the front. Another advantage is that the guy in the next stall doesn't get a view of anything he may find disconcerting hanging on your belt. If you carry a folding knife clipped to your pants pocket, this is a good time to take it and clip to to your shirt. If you carry a firearm, one advantage of a shoulder rig is that you don't have to do anything special to make it accessible while on the john (or seated in a car or on the subway for that matter). A man seated with his pants around his ankles is one thing, a man seated with his pants around his ankles and a weapon in his hand is another. Regards, Tuhon Bill McGrath P.S. This gets my vote for the strangest E-D question of 1999 ------------------------------ From: d g Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 21:45:07 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #366 > From: "BILL MCGRATH" > Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 21:43:36 -0700 > Subject: eskrima: Weapon priorities > > We had some interesting posts on Pekiti-Tirsia digest last month, so I > thought I would ask a few similar questions on ED. > > 1. If you could only train on one weapon, which among single stick, > double stick, sword and dagger or knife would you choose? > OOO. Can I answer this as a student with not much knowledge? Let's see...I started right away on double stick. No empty hands training at all. > > 2. If you where training a beginning adult student who wanted to learn > your whole art, which weapon category would you train him in first, > second, third, etc.? > First. > 3. Would you train the student in question 2 "A to Z" in one weapon > before moving on to the next (Tuhon Gaje said this was done with him > as a child), or would you train your student with all the "A's" across > the board then all the "B's" etc? > Yes. > 4. If you had just 6 weeks to train someone for combat (say a solider > issued a fighting/utility knife and a machete to clear brush) how > would you train him? He will be in a zone where the indigenous > population often carries edged tools for farm work and has a history > of edged weapon fighting arts. P.S. When in town on R&R he is not > allowed to carry a firearm. > Not sure on this one. Ask me when I'm sober. And..I have never been in the military. My dad has...sergent. WWII. Never walk behind him and not let him know. Trust me!!!! - -- NO!! My cycle doesn't leak! It marks it's territory. ------------------------------ From: "Marc Denny" Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 23:06:05 -0700 Subject: eskrima: How to clean you cat--the Dog Brother way How to clean your cat the Dog Brother way 1. Thoroughly clean the toilet. 2. Add the required amount of shampoo to the toilet water, and have both lids lifted. 3. Obtain the cat and soothe him while you carry him towards the bathroom. 4. In one swoop movement, put the cat in the toilet and close both lids(you may need to stand on the lid so that he cannot escape). CAUTION: Do not get any part of your body too close to the edge, as his paws will be reaching out for any purchase they can find. 5. Flush the toilet three or four times. This provides a "power wash and rinse" which is quite effective. 6. Have someone open the door to the outside and ensure that there are no people between the toilet and the outside door. 7. Stand behind the toilet as far as you can, and quickly lift both lids. 8. The now-clean cat will rocket out of the toilet, and run outside where he will promptly dry himself. Woof, Crafty Dog ------------------------------ From: "Markus Wetzstein" Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 11:30:33 +0200 Subject: eskrima: Need e-mail address Hi there! Does anyone on the list have Elrick Gubisch Jundis' e-mail address? I met him last year in Berkeley, CA, but his e-mail address (old one: rockelf@autobahn.org) has changed. Anyone got a newer one? Thanks, Markus Wetzstein ------------------------------ From: Patrick Davies Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 11:30:23 +0100 Subject: eskrima: So far on toilet talk and risk assessment So far on toilet talk we have the following guidelines. Firstly these depend on where the toilets are situated and you could probably set up a colour code depending on your whereabouts (nightclub, bar, cinema, grand canyon restroom) and related circumstances (gluesniffers hanging around, etc). The positioning of any relevant weaponry should be considered and be hand available in the positions discussed. This is the same theory as used in a car for instance. First let us look at the risks. Here are just a couple. I am sure you could add more. Do so. * Alone in an isolated place you are open to attack of varying degrees. * You are vulnerable due to the activities you are likely to perform * You are blind due to a certain degree because of the environment that you are in. So When using a public toilet standing up: Whenever possible use the closed cubicle and stand sideways to the bowl. This will take you out of range of the arc of the door and will also allow you to observe any movement outside the door if there is a gap between the floor and the bottom of the door. There may be value in choosing which cubicle to use but this might depend on availability or urgency. A quick risk assessment off the cubicle should tell you the number of potential entry points to look out for. When entering a cubicle to sit down: Always sit with one foot forward. This is to be ready to stop hit the door should it be crashed into from the outside. It may be worth while trying the rear foot against the bowl in order to give you something to push against in order to propel yourself forward. When leaving the cubicle be aware. Approach the wash basin next to a wall and use the mirror(if there is one) to view the surroundings. Wash your hands at a sideways angle to get the best view of the area. Don't forget to clean you finger nails ; ) Be wary leaving items on hooks in the cubicle. It may be an old jacket but if its minus 10 outside then it's a valuable jacket. Leaving things on hooks might give an opening to an opportune thief. If you have a jacket with you right now, what valuables are in it? risk assessment. This is a term we live with in engineering on a daily basis. It's a good term and once you get into the way of thinking it is invaluable to your daily routines. We then look at risk management. In your general activities in daily life we can all make risk assessments. Driving your car etc. Looking at it from a martial artists point of view we want to use one general risk assessment that will cover everything and when we need to we can make other RA for more exact tasks. The travelling to and from work can be covered in one risk assessment and the identification of certain hazards could see you use a course of action daily that manages these risks. The level of the hazard (colour coding) determines your risk management strategy. It is the aim of the martial artist to be able to step up to cover all the different levels of the hazards and manage the potential risk to the best outcome possible. What we ask of the teachers that are on this list is to highlight the risks and possible ways to manage these risks. It is not our aim to be spoonfed do's and don't's as they do not apply to each and everyone of us. The cultural differences and the value of life differs throughout the world and may differ neighbourhood to neighbourhood. This has been highlighted in the recent dogeaters discussion. We need to understand the concept of evaluating the risk, hazard and finding the ways to manage them. Once you ascertain what is relevant to your direct environment then there is value in looking at other environments especially if you travel. Gun defence is not relevant to me here in Aberdeen but if I travel to the USA it might well become relevant. A good deal of people have started in martial arts because they were scared of getting beaten up at some point in their lives. They have identified a risk and looked at certain hazards and decided to manage that risk. I make no apologies for the toilet talk debate. I thought it would be tongue in cheek and I wanted to see if certain 'names' would get their hands dirty on it. I did so because i hope it shows there is value in it. Pat Aberdeen Martial Arts Group ------------------------------ From: "Steven Drape" Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 06:20:52 PDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #366 >1. If you could only train on one weapon, which among single stick, >double stick, sword and dagger or knife would you choose? I'd pick single stick, because if you are good with the live hand, the training transfers to knife, empty hand and a little EyD, depending on the style of single stick (corto, larga mano, etc.) >2. If you where training a beginning adult student who wanted to learn >your whole art, which weapon category would you train him in first, >second, third, etc.? We train single stick first, then add a knife, then change the stick for a sword, and then finally take away the sword so only knife is left. We don't train double sticks at all. >3. Would you train the student in question 2 "A to Z" in one weapon >before moving on to the next (Tuhon Gaje said this was done with him >as a child), or would you train your student with all the "A's" across >the board then all the "B's" etc? As in question 2, we begin each new level before the previous is completed, trying to flow from one into the next. >4. If you had just 6 weeks to train someone for combat (say a solider >issued a fighting/utility knife and a machete to clear brush) how >would you train him? He will be in a zone where the indigenous >population often carries edged tools for farm work and has a history >of edged weapon fighting arts. P.S. When in town on R&R he is not >allowed to carry a firearm. Tough question- six weeks isn't a lot of time and we don't know anything about the guy, previous training, how much training time each day or week, etc. Steve ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 07:27:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #367 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com in directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan Eskrima, and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.