From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #369 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Fri, 3 Sept 1999 Vol 06 : Num 369 In this issue: eskrima: Ah yes, the old "Attack 'em on the Toidy" technique eskrima: Labor Day! Yey! eskrima: Re: situations & problems eskrima: Check out Pentjak Silat Pukulan Mustika Kweetang eskrima: Re: wavy blades eskrima: Re: Ladies, toilets and cats... eskrima: Weapon priorities eskrima: re: Kukri training eskrima: Repeat as needed eskrima: Re: Weapon Priorities eskrima: When ya gotta go... eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan Eskrima, and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kirk_righter@peoplesoft.com Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 10:05:00 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Ah yes, the old "Attack 'em on the Toidy" technique This is a multipart message in MIME format. - --=_alternative 005E415A882567E1_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Travis said: <> Farting Up a Fracas? Isn't that the name of a band? I think my kid has that CD... Kirk - --=_alternative 005E415A882567E1_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
Travis said:

<<Heck they won't realize the stall is occupied unless your're farting up a fracas.>>

Farting Up a Fracas? Isn't that the name of a band? I think my kid has that CD...


Kirk
- --=_alternative 005E415A882567E1_=-- ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 11:14:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Labor Day! Yey! For those in the US, the long Labor Day weekend is upon us. A great time to get in some extra training... :) Have a safe one! Ray Terry rterry@best.com ------------------------------ From: Hapkido64@aol.com Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 14:36:21 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: situations & problems Being an avid MA for a lot of years I still rely, or rely more on concealed weapons now then I did 20 years ago when the streets were a little different than they are today. Terrorism, drug dealers, street crime in general, gangs, "The postal workers syndrome" which can happen anywhere now requires you to alter your thinking a lot and prepare for the worst. Hopefully wishing for the best. The bathroom syndrome has been addressed in several places. The Dojang and also at a CHL class and many publications on guns and gun issues. I personally use the stall when carrying and either set my pistol on the tank top or on top of the tissue dispenser where it easily accessible. Looking for signs of occupation while entering ect. Sad day if someone stuck their head or arm over the top of my stall. Sleeping it is no farther than an easy reach away fully loaded. If its not close and loaded it is no use. A point that is fact but still debated by millions. It is a personal choice. A tent, friends house ect, no difference. Carry everywhere. If you have taken a moral oath with yourself and YOUR God then the issue is really your responsibility. Biking or running same thing. After almost being wrecked or shot on a bike and while running I adjust apparel and holster and carry now. Without going through each example. I carry everywhere except federal buildings. This means yes in schools, banks, bars (when I don't drink a beer of course). Been carrying for several years and never had to pull my weapon. Common sense and a good command of the English language will win 99% of the time. The other 1% I would try to run. Yes, I wouldn't hesitate to shoot and kill another human being if My life or my families life were in danger. The rescue of a helpless person who is in danger, yes as well. It is a decision one makes not lightly but permanently, deadly serious. Any martial art is a concealed weapon as well. Just food for thought. Hapkido64@aol.com ------------------------------ From: Kilap@aol.com Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 14:39:49 EDT Subject: eskrima: Check out Pentjak Silat Pukulan Mustika Kweetang Click here: Pentjak Silat Pukulan Mustika Kweetang For those who maybe interested; The above link is a web page on Pentjak Silat as taught by Jim Ingram. The site is pretty basic and is still under contruction. Regards, Travis ------------------------------ From: David Fulton Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 14:55:15 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Re: wavy blades At 11:17 AM 9/3/99 -0700, Peter Kautz wrote: >>I own a few wavy, Kris-style blades. Would anyone kindly explain why a >rounded >>but sharpened tip and a wavy blade is an advantage? I haven't noticed these >>characteristics in Roman, Celtic and European daggers and blades, so I'm >>wondering about the value. > >Well, they DO exist in some surviving European swords as well. The >Renaissance Flamberge (a true 2-handed sword) also had a wavy blade design >like the kris. This was believed to do more damage in a cut, because it >would cause more "blde edge" to slide through the opponent. It is like the >difference between a straight road and a curvy road - the curvy road would >technically be longer to reach the same place as the straight road. This >is all in theory, anyhow. In a brief time the theory of it's "added >effectiveness" was dismissed, and the Flamberge was left behind in the >European arts. > >For the kris its self, I have heard a number of interesting "folktales" >about why the blade is wavy, but could not give you "the real >reason"...perhaps an ED member closer to the source can. > Well, I can't say why those who developed the kris or Flamberge created their wavy blade designs, but from the POV of edge dynamics here is my understanding. Having a curved blade means that the edge is always presented at an angle to it's target which results in a shearing action that is more effective wrt cutting. The recurve blade (ex. khukuri), a downward canted blade (ex. a bolo with a blade that is straight but set at a downward angle in relation to the tang and handle), and a wavy blade like the kris are all different ways of presenting the edge at an angle to the target. Another, modern way to accomplish this is the "serrated" blades so prevalent today. Of course the recurved blade of the khukuri and the downward canted blade also change the balance of the weapon, putting more weight out front to aid cutting and the "serrations" allow for a sawing effect. As for the rounded tip, I've read that the souther philippine kris (it sounds like this is what you have) was mostly a slashing weapon. I don't know though. This is my understanding any way. Respectfully, Dave Fulton dfulton@computerpackages.com Full Contact Martial Arts Association "As iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another." ------------------------------ From: "J" Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 15:35:05 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Re: Ladies, toilets and cats... I don't have to worry about the bag deal a long time ago got one of the types that you wear on your back like a small backpack though this past easter weekend wile walking in new Orleans on Decatur St at 3am a stalker tried to grab it off my back he was foolish and had been stalking me for a few hours and i knew he was there i even stoped 3 times and told the police that stand around of couse they looked at me like i was insain and just told me to go home till they had to pick up the body haha as I walk with a cane and well train with the sticks I just ducked under him as he went to grab my bag off my back and took my cane and whacked him squarely on the side of his head just on his ear and he went out like a light hehe the police wanted me to hang around wile they booked him but I found a dark corner to slip into and left the scene I did not really want to hang around and had to fly out back to the east coast that morning grin toilets can be easy on women if there prepared and your not struggling for your bag and having to watch it as its on your back facing the wall wile your ummmm doing your business grin that and it keeps my hands free when I need to use the walking stick I use to defend myself when I am out and about J bows deeply From: "Branwen Thomas" Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 14:03:33 -0230 Subject: eskrima: Re: Ladies, toilets and cats... We don't have the stand-up option (I know, I've tried :) However, since we often - in bars & whatnot - go to the bathroom in pairs (we could tell you guys why, but then we'd have to kill you ;), we have a "look-out", so to speak. I generally lay my purse/whatever on the toilet tank ; or, you can keep it in your hand, and whack anybody who tries to infringe on your personal privacy. Given the usual size and contents of my purse, this will hurt. Generally speaking however, I think women's toilets are a bit safer than men's, at least from other women. Mind you, I _do_ live in Newfoundland. Jocelyne ------------------------------ From: Terry Tippie Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 12:58:39 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Weapon priorities >From: "BILL MCGRATH" >Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 21:43:36 -0700 >Subject: eskrima: Weapon priorities > >We had some interesting posts on Pekiti-Tirsia digest last month, so I >thought I would ask a few similar questions on ED. > Tuhon Bill put up an interesting post. Let me give it a shot... >1. If you could only train on one weapon, which among single stick, >double stick, sword and dagger or knife would you choose? Probably stick & dagger. But I wouldn't be happy unless I could go back & forth between that and empty hands. My thinking here is that stick & dagger stands at the intersection of a lot of skill sets: grappling, throwing, knife work, stick work, boxing, and empty hands. >2. If you where training a beginning adult student who wanted to learn >your whole art, which weapon category would you train him in first, >second, third, etc.? I would start him off on double stick. Why? Because that category seems to have a big impact on boxing skill, which I need in order to do Muay Thai. And I sort of, well, screen out the undesirables using the Thai Pads from Muay Thai. ;) >3. Would you train the student in question 2 "A to Z" in one weapon >before moving on to the next (Tuhon Gaje said this was done with him >as a child), or would you train your student with all the "A's" across >the board then all the "B's" etc? Um, am I allowed to answer "neither"? My tendency would be to dig a series of post-holes in which for a time we emphasize one weapons category. When we move on to another category I would help students establish links with the previous curriculum. In that way, we have enough time on one set of drills to allow them to sink in as well as develop some fighting skill. >4. If you had just 6 weeks to train someone for combat (say a solider >issued a fighting/utility knife and a machete to clear brush) how >would you train him? He will be in a zone where the indigenous >population often carries edged tools for farm work and has a history >of edged weapon fighting arts. P.S. When in town on R&R he is not >allowed to carry a firearm. Hmmm...well, if the population was not aggressive I would teach him to smile a lot, bow and be polite. If they were expected to be pretty aggressive I would ask him if he has enough money for airfare home. If I couldn't do either of those, I guess I would go for sword & dagger. I would take a few simple combinations and train them in different environments until they had them down 'rock solid'. I would take a given combo and try to bring out different characteristics, e.g., speed & endurance (carenza), power (heavy bag or other object), precision (partner drills), timing & rhythm (sparring) and environmental training (adaptability). I think that half of the time would be directed at trying to work in an aerobic or anaerobic level of exertion into the drills, or perhaps I would just have them get a hell of a lot of roadwork in. At any rate, I would want them to be able to run fast and long if they needed to. Respectfully, Terry Tippie Pacifica, CA ------------------------------ From: pjm@buffnet.net Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 16:15:39 -0400 Subject: eskrima: re: Kukri training Mark Haleck said "If given 6 weeks to train someone i would choose the Kukri. Talk about a combat weapon. the kukri is design for combat, not that complicated to use, and very hard to counter. Not to much is written on the use of the Kukri, and the only Master i know is Dr. Gyi." Mark, Do you really need more than Dr. Gyi? He's your one stop combat super store. Phil "Rhino Style" ------------------------------ From: "Marc Denny" Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 13:58:19 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Repeat as needed > P.S. Dear Dr. Crafty, > i have 4 cats and the toilet just isn't big enough. One at a time doesn't > work because the other three see what's happening and scram. What shall I > do? > Roaring Girl Consider yourself lucky? ------------------------------ From: Robbie Trinidad Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 05:13:12 +0800 Subject: eskrima: Re: Weapon Priorities Hello, > From: "BILL MCGRATH" > Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 21:43:36 -0700 > Subject: eskrima: Weapon priorities > > 1. If you could only train on one weapon, which among single stick, > double stick, sword and dagger or knife would you choose? I'd go double stick for the following reasons: 1. Doble baston techniques can be retranslated into single stick, espada y daga, double dagger, single dagger, and empty hand techniques, as well as long sword and staff. Some minor modification of the doble baston techniques have to be taught in order to apply them to the other weapon types. 2. Both the strong and weak arms are trained simultaneously. If you start training with single stick, the tendency is the weak hand to become "dead". Doble baston training helps a person use his weak hand as a hecking hand when using solo baston. > 2. If you where training a beginning adult student who wanted to learn > your whole art, which weapon category would you train him in first, > second, third, etc.? Here's my recommended sequence: 1. Doble baston - this is to develop strength in both arms and to train the student in being able to use both hands. 2. Espada y Daga - The shorter weapon on the weak hand will force the student to be aware of ranging since he will need to be closer to the opponent while wielding a longer weapon on the other. 3. Solo Baston - By this time, checking and clearing by the use of the weak hand should be automatic due to the Espada y Daga training. 4. Dagger/Knife - At this point the student should be more comfortable with close in combat. 5. Empty hand - If the student is a fast learner and the above sequence is followed, you probably don't even need to teach this. He can figure it out by himself. > > 3. Would you train the student in question 2 "A to Z" in one weapon > before moving on to the next (Tuhon Gaje said this was done with him > as a child), or would you train your student with all the "A's" across > the board then all the "B's" etc? I think it depends on the student. Usually I'll try to get the student up to a certain proficiency before going to the next level. To use your terminology, I'd probably go "A to M" on the first, then "A to F" on the second, then "A to C" on the third. Again it depends on the student. If he's the impatient kind, I'd go "A's" across the board. > > 4. If you had just 6 weeks to train someone for combat (say a solider > issued a fighting/utility knife and a machete to clear brush) how > would you train him? In that case, if you do know what's going to be issued to him, then focus on those weapons, especially the one he likely to carry most often (most likely the knife). Focus techniques on those that can be used in a wide variety of situations. It's better for him to master a few techniques then to have him learn a lot of unpracticed techniques. Regards - -- [=======================================================================] [ Roberto B. Trinidad | E-mail: deadlock@mozcom.com ] [ CEO - World Domination NetCorp. | http://www2.mozcom.com/~deadlock/ _ ] [ Freelance 3D Graphics Animator | Quezon City, Philippines _ // ] [ and Desktop Videographer | Member: Team AMIGA \X/ ] [-----------------------------------------------------------------------] [ "The world would have been saved by now, if it weren't for the ] [ people trying to save it." --- George Bernard Shaw --- ] [=======================================================================] ------------------------------ From: "Eric Taimanglo" Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 15:29:43 -0700 Subject: eskrima: When ya gotta go... For all the guys out there...any of you consider whipping around and dousing an attacker in midstream(of course, one would have to be at the urinal for this to work) to obtain a split second of advantage for escape or to strike? Sure, it sounds gross, but there are worse things..... HotBot - Search smarter. http://www.hotbot.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 16:06:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #369 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com in directory pub/eskrima/digests. 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