From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #371 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Sat, 4 Sept 1999 Vol 06 : Num 371 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #367 eskrima: Dr. Gyi seminar eskrima: Re: Cross-training eskrima: What angle is that anyway? eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #368 eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #370 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #368 eskrima: some half/half in my coffee, please... eskrima: first among firsts? eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan Eskrima, and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Cplr50@aol.com Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 00:12:41 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #367 In a message dated 9/3/1999 10:34:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << 7. Stand behind the toilet as far as you can, and quickly lift both lids. 8. The now-clean cat will rocket out of the toilet, and run outside where he will promptly dry himself. >> So Thats Mrs Pretty Kitty's beauty secret.. Crafty shame on you for telling us all...:) ------------------------------ From: "Marc Denny" Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 21:14:35 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Dr. Gyi seminar A Howl of Greeting to All: This past weekend Steve Tarani's school hosted Dr. Gyi for two days-- which I was not able to attend due to the birth of my son. :-) And on Monday, Dog Brothers Inc. Martial Arts hosted Dr. Gyi for a one day seminar which was deliberately kept quite small. As is always the case, Guro Inosanto was in attendance. Dr. Gyi taught a Burmese double sword set which he translated/decoded from ancient Sanskrit. (!) His notation system for recording the movements was lean and efficient. The movements in some ways were similar to Krabi Krabong, and in some ways quite distinctive. The man's grace and power make it hard to believe that he is in his 70s. After the seminar he did some healing body work on me. Hard to describe, but most extraordinary. Warrior, scholar, healer. Woof, Crafty Dog ------------------------------ From: Mike Casto Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 21:59:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Re: Cross-training spudchows@webtv.net (michael cole) wrote: (I de-shouted) << Howdy What do the members think of trainig in another art like wing chung do, judo ,shoot, boxing,fencing ect.. To help "enhance" the mother art. Does any one have any good storys and info about knife throwing and butterfly knife. Thxs Stickpeople >> I personally think cross-training is good. My primary art is "Sikal" (a hybrid of elements from various Silat and Kali systems). Consequently, cross-training is kind of built right into the system. However, I also cross-train (mostly at seminars) in some Jun Fan and Shoot. I will train with pretty much anyone, though. Consequently, I've had exposure to (though I don't claim anything past having seen these at some point) Combat Hapkido, Aikido/Aikijutsu, Kendo, Iaido, Shen Chuan, Bando, and several Chinese systems. I cross-train for a variety of reasons. Over the years, I have found that there is a lot of overlapping between the various arts ... after all, the number of ways the human body can move or be affected is a finite number (though large :-). When looking at concepts, all arts (that I've seen, anyway) use the same concepts ... they just approach them differently. "You spell it *tomato* and I spell it *tomatoe* it's still the same thing." So, when I'm training outside my base art, I look at how other people approach familiar concepts. The way Combat Hapkido, for instance, makes the transition from a reverse wrist lock to a "gooseneck" (wrist compression with their elbow tucked against your chest) is slightly different than the way I was taught in Kali. I personally prefer the Combat Hapkido technique and have added it to my "toolbox." It in no way invalidates the Kali method I learned, I just personally prefer the Combat Hapkido technique. Also, seeing how someone else approaches a concept can open whole new vistas in my own application of a concept. It's kind of like giving a tour of my hometown to a stranger. They notice things that I take for granted and, through their eyes, I gain a new (or re-realize an old) appreciation for some things. The final reason that I train with as many people as I can is that I want to teach martial arts. As such, I watch how other people teach and I make mental notes on the things I like. In this way, I'm building a catalog of teaching methods. Everyone learns differently. The element that really locked a concept in for me may mean nothing to someone else. So, when I teach someone, I try the element that helped me the most. If it doesn't work, then I start pulling out other tools that I've seen used to teach that concept. Mike __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "Sovann D. Pen" Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 02:25:48 EDT Subject: eskrima: What angle is that anyway? From: "Eric Taimanglo" "For all the guys out there...any of you consider whipping around and dousing an attacker in midstream(of course, one would have to be at the urinal for this to work) to obtain a split second of advantage for escape or to strike? Sure, it sounds gross, but there are worse things....." I considered it but I was waiting for someone else to say it ;). Sovann ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ From: SReiter000@aol.com Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 03:57:05 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #368 << Races don't have 'fighting' styles, cultures do. A berserk Norseman and an effette British dandy may be both the same race and both as dangerous to cross as the other but they won't fight the same - that's culture. >> if you mean they are both of the white race i agree that they are the same race - however - norseman or norman or north men (which is where the terms come from) where nordic (the men from the north - vikings) brits however were druid, celtic, tutonic and germanic (the angels and the saxons were tribes in germany) - the metrpolitian museum of arts has a exibit of medievel armor and a special sword exibit as well both showing wavy blades from europe steve ------------------------------ From: "Jeffrey Monaghan" Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 03:54:49 -0700 Subject: eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #370 I'm not a guro but.... 1) espada y dagger - teaches all the ranges and how to move in and out of them... trains both hands... teaches the knife and single stick. 2 and 3) Start with espada y dagger and start adding the various weapons and empty hands training as it corresponds to the e y d... it is easier to learn something new when you are building on the familiar. 4) The kukri or similar medium sized blade because it is hard to defend against because of the weight and can be used as a tool and for fighting in both long and close range without a significant disadvantage. I was very fortunate today to attend a private seminar and witness a blood initiation ceremony with Grandmaster Ben Largusa of the Villabraille-Largusa Kali group. He is 72years old and still moves like a twenty year old. It was an amazing experience for me because we went out to eat afterwards and I heard the stories about Floro V., Bruce Lee, LaCosta, and Ed Parker and '64 Long Beach Tournament... was fascinating. It was a very memorable experience, Largusa is was the first to publicly demonstrate Kali. Jeff M. ------------------------------ From: "Steven Drape" Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 06:43:09 PDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #368 >>For the kris its self, I have heard a number of interesting "folktales" >about why the blade is wavy, but could not give you "the real >reason"...perhaps an ED member closer to the source can. The kris originated in Indonesia and carries a lot of symbolism in it's shape. The wavy blades were/are carried by warriors and are meant to resemble a lightning bolt. (Some people also claim it resembles a striking snake). There are straight-bladed kris as well, and they are used by priests. The wavy blades are for the temporal (everyday) world and the straight blades are for the ethereal or otherworld. > >We train single stick first, then add a knife, then change the stick > >for > >a sword, and then finally take away the sword so only knife is left. We > >don't train double sticks at all. > >What style is this (just curious)? Abner Pasa's Warrior System. He is based in Cebu. >btw: are you the same guy who wrote an article on Escrima in Black Belt >Magazine? Yes. Steve ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 08:47:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: some half/half in my coffee, please... > shape. The wavy blades were/are carried by warriors and are meant to > resemble a lightning bolt. (Some people also claim it resembles a striking > snake). There are straight-bladed kris as well, and they are used by > priests. The wavy blades are for the temporal (everyday) world and the > straight blades are for the ethereal or otherworld. As well as half-n-half, half straight (usually the half nearest the tip) and half wavy. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 08:49:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: first among firsts? > Long Beach Tournament... was fascinating. It was a very memorable > experience, Largusa is was the first to publicly demonstrate Kali. If this is true, it was for in the US only. And even that is debatable. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 08:54:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #371 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com in directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan Eskrima, and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.