From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #374 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Mon, 6 Sept 1999 Vol 06 : Num 374 In this issue: eskrima: Friendly visitors eskrima: Nobody fights cause they want to lose eskrima: Bando eskrima: It depends eskrima: We the tribe eskrima: Gun-Fu Rules! eskrima: Carrying weapons/ ASP batons eskrima: race eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan Eskrima, and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ray Terry" Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 12:04:32 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Friendly visitors One of the interesting things about administering a website is seeing where your visitors live. In just the month of August we had visits from the following countries (in no particular order); Australia, UK, Malaysia, Canada, Finland, Norway, Singapore, Sweden, Belgium, Mexico, Netherlands, South Africa, Italy, New Zealand, South Korea, Spain, Germany, Denmark, Switzerland, France, United Arab Emirates, Chile, Thailand, Indonesia, Brazil, Poland, Greece, Argentina, Ireland, Austria, Taiwan, Pakistan, Colombia, Portugal, Czech Republic, and USA. Ray Terry rterry@best.com http://www.martialartsresource.com ------------------------------ From: info@kalieskrima.com Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 15:56:25 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Nobody fights cause they want to lose Hi Y'all, I think Butch makes some great points. People don't start a fight cause they want to lose. (That's a generality of course but true most of the time.) I was watching some documentary on snakes when the expert said that a snake had a venom so deadly, one drop could kill X number of men. The other guy asks, "Then why does he hurry away from you then?" to which the expert said, "He doesn't know that." - --- See you in the sticks, Dale www.kalieskrima.com ------------------------------ From: Kaesa@aol.com Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 16:51:29 EDT Subject: eskrima: Bando Hello, Does anyone know of any good Bando web sites? I've read that Dr Gyi doesn't want his art to become commercialized, but I was curious as to who are his top students, and where his HQ's is. Are there any other well known Bando players besides Dr Gyi? Thanks, Joe ------------------------------ From: "Marc Denny" Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 14:01:41 -0700 Subject: eskrima: It depends A Howl etc: Butch wrote: > I was told by the police that under common law, I have the obligation to retreat from > a potentially hostile or dangerous situation so as to not escalate the situation > where the offender or myself could get hurt. Actually, this depends upon which state one is talking about. Eastern states tend more to this approach, and southern and western states tend to be less steeped in such nonsense (I refer to making this a matter of law) but you would be best advised to inform yourself of your particular state. IMHO just asking a LEO does not necessarily get an accurate answer. Many will simply give whatever answer they think will make their job easier. Crafty Dog, esq. ------------------------------ From: "Marc Denny" Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 14:33:25 -0700 Subject: eskrima: We the tribe A Howl etc: A Mini-Rant: Into the mix about people "getting away with it"' I would like to offer the idea that the human animal is one who evolved with the social organization of the pack/tribe. Social cohesion is easier when everyone knows each other and ill behavior is properly pinned by the butthead's tribe upon him. Proving it in court is not necessary-- the whole tribe knows that Butthead is a butthead and he will be ostracized to suitable degree. Thus, the future senator from New York is right that "it takes a village". However, to say that the village is she and her tax-collecting, self-righteous rule making, influence peddling, sanctimonious know-it-all friends (or her enemies for that matter!) in Washington is an utterly Orwellian appeal to our biological longing for tribal life. When things get so large that one is continuously dealing with others who are anonymous to him, and he to them, that the consequences of being a butthead evaporate and cynicism, hypocrisy, and violence rule. End of Rant. Crafty Dog ------------------------------ From: "Ken Grubb" Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 23:40:44 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Gun-Fu Rules! http://www.f-r-i.com/images/kungfu.gif ROTFLMFAO! - ------- Pain is temporary. Glory is forever. Chicks dig scars. Ken Grubb Bellevue, WA ------------------------------ From: "Tim Kashino" Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 00:39:47 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Carrying weapons/ ASP batons Hi Phil, Collapsible batons like the ASP are illegal to carry in most (if no all 50) states, unless you are a cedrtified LEO or have some other state cerification or lisencing. Even then, if you belong to a police department that does not authorize its officers to carry such an instrument you could end up in some trouble with your department. My advice to you is don't carry an ASP for self defense. Article 5 of the NYS Penal Code is very clear on the justifiable use of force. The ASP is a tool disigned for LEOs as an alternative to the use of deadly force and unarmed defensive/control tactics, not for private citizens to use as hide-out weapons. Beware of military standards. As you stated that the USAF standard for learning to use the ASP is approximately one hour. Please bear in mind that when any branch of the military trains people, they are very concerned with time. They give trainees a minimum amount of training on the basic principles of what they are expecxted to do, and then they push them out into their respective job field expecting them to get the rest of the skills they need from on the job training. It is naive to think that the USAF standard is high enough to grant any schmuck off of the street authorization to carry a potetially dangerous implement like an ASP baton. Armament Systems and Procedures Incorporated (ASP) has set guidelines for certification in the proper use of the ASP baton. It is an eight hour course of instruction that is intended for LEOs, Public Safety Offivials and Corrections Officers only. In many departments that use the ASP, this training couse is repeated every year as part of their in service training requirements. A final note on carrying a weapon for self defense: If you can't justify carrying it, then don't. If it is designed to be used as a weapon or has the potential to be used as a weapon, it IS a weapon in the eyes of those who would arrest, try and convict you for carrying and using it. Unless you are carring a 2"x4" piece of lumber...according to Judge Penny Wolfgang such an implement is not a deadly weapon. Best regards, Tim Kashino Phil Martino wrote: >------------------------------ >I was dissapointed to find out that carrying such weapons were >illegal (at least her in NY State to the best of my knowledge). In >reviewing self defense options I theorized that I would be better off >using a collapsable baton to disarm an attacker with less chance of it >being turned on me or caising excessive damage to my attacker which a >knife or gun might cause. > In a tussle I'd rather screw up with a baston then a knife seeing >that either of us could fall upon the weapon (the idea of falling on my >own blade does not appeal to me and the idea of going to jail for >killing my attacker doesn't thrill me either) What is the lists general >oppinion on the asp or collapsable baton as a legal self defense tool >even if it requires some form of certification (which if they apply the >USAF standard it would just require a one hour seminar)? > Phil "Rhino Style" > Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ From: Patrick Davies Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 16:02:21 +0100 Subject: eskrima: race Hmm. Effete meaning weak or decadent. I presume that this is the image of the dualist so steves comment is the wrong age. When the Norsemen came down they met the celts, picts and the saxons. The type of Briton perhaps during the Elizabethan period referred to here might be more french nobility than saxon. Medieval would imply before the turn of the last millenium so the french infulence in the nobility would be firmly entrenched while the general population would be saxon with the celtic tribes in the west(Wales) and north England and the picts above that. Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #368 << Races don't have 'fighting' styles, cultures do. A berserk Norseman and an effette British dandy may be both the same race and both as dangerous to cross as the other but they won't fight the same - that's culture. >> if you mean they are both of the white race i agree that they are the same race - however - norseman or norman or north men (which is where the terms come from) where nordic (the men from the north - vikings) brits however were druid, celtic, tutonic and germanic (the angels and the saxons were tribes in germany) - ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 08:18:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #374 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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