From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #375 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Mon, 6 Sept 1999 Vol 06 : Num 375 In this issue: eskrima: Midwest FMA Seminars eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #371 eskrima: Estalilla Kabaroan Seminar eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #374 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #374 eskrima: re: training progression eskrima: 1/2-n-1/2 Moro kris eskrima: FMA vs. KMA eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan Eskrima, and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sidney525@aol.com Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 11:51:32 EDT Subject: eskrima: Midwest FMA Seminars The Filipino Kali-Escrima Academy of Chicago/Defensor Method is proud to announce their upcoming events- Suro Mike Inay- Sept 25-26 in Chicago (by Chinatown). The training will include serrada, KDM, and De Cuerdas training. On- site sleeping accomadations will be available for seminar participants (save hotel costs). Maha Guro Nate Defensor- Sunday October 3. 6 hour kali seminar, including knife, sikaran, and panatukan drills @ Champion Martial Arts, Lincolnwood, Illinois. Filipino martial arts weekend- October 23-24, Dodgeville, Wisconsin (60 miles west of Madison). Our 18th annual retreat. Training will include techniques drawn from the Villabrille, Pekiti-Tirsia, & serrada systems of Kali also silat & muay thai. Rides can be arranged from Chicago or points in Wisconsin. For more information check our website @ www.wwa.com/~guronate or e-mail Sidney525@aol.com or call (847) 568-9231 Hope to see you there Sid Stein ------------------------------ From: "Steven Drape" Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 09:11:17 PDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #371 > > priests. The wavy blades are for the temporal (everyday) world and the > > straight blades are for the ethereal or otherworld. > >As well as half-n-half, half straight (usually the half nearest the tip) >and half wavy. The half-and-half blade, known as a kalis in the Philippines, is not a kris. It is a Filipino adaptation of the kris, but there are no half-and-half blades among the kris of indonesia, where it originated. Steve ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Ronald.Reekers@HSC.com Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 10:04:01 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Estalilla Kabaroan Seminar Come join the Thunder Center in this rare opportunity to learn the Filipino Martial Art of Kabaroan Eskrima from Grandmaster Ramiro Estalilla Jr. The weapon system will be taught in its three basic components 1) Single Weaponry (Bambolia & Sencilla) 2) Double Weaponry (Compuesta) 3) Long Range weaponry, A quote from Apo, "all taught in the context of Philippine history and culture. A cultural approach to the Filipino Martial Arts humanizes the arts, civilizes the artist and refines the system." When: October 9th and 10th Saturday 1:30 pm to 6:30 pm, Sunday 11:00 am to 5:00 pm Where: The Thunder Center 11533 Slater Ave. Suite F, Fountain Valley, Ca. 92708 (714)435-0825 Off of 405, exit Euclid (east), right on Slater (south), left at Newhope, immediate right into parking lot. See Map http://members.tripod.com/~thundercenter Cost Pre-registration: $40.00 per day, $75.00 for both days Day of Event $45.00 per day, $85.00 for both days Spectators $5.00 per day, Videos $10.00 per day Ron ------------------------------ From: SReiter000@aol.com Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:48:26 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #374 << From: Patrick Davies > Hmm. Effete meaning weak or decadent. I presume that this is the image of the dualist so steves comment is the wrong age. When the Norsemen came down they met the celts, picts and the saxons. The type of Briton perhaps during the Elizabethan period referred to here might be more french nobility than saxon. Medieval would imply before the turn of the last millenium so the french infulence in the nobility would be firmly entrenched while the general population would be saxon with the celtic tribes in the west(Wales) and north England and the picts above that. >> effete - date:1660 etymology: from latin effetus - more feminine (not french origin) 1. no longer fertile 2 a: having lost character, vitality or strength b: marked by weakness or decadence c: soft or delicate 3. effeminate middle ages: 500 to 1600's - well after the turn of the last millennium norseman ( later normans) - came to prominence in france (which by the way is where the normans lived after leaving Scandinavia) when the duchy of NORMANdy was given to norman leader rollo in 10th century - normandy was taken over by the brits and was ruled by them until 1200 when the 100 years war stated control went back and forth until france took it back for good in the 1400's - since the original post compared the 2 groups (A berserk Norseman and an effete British dandy may be both the same race and both as dangerous to cross as the other but they won't fight the same - that's culture.) i presumed the poster was speaking about them during the same time frame when they would have met (in normandy while under briton ) during the middle ages - -as far as the adjective effete goes - well i dont think the term applies since i wouldnt ascribe someone who is effete as dangerous - even if this was the correct adjective it certainly doesnt mean that the poster was referring to a specific time period when the term was first derived -gnarly is dated 1829 however would one be wrong staring "dude, those cave men lived in some pretty gnarly times.. like totally" if the poster was talking about the groups at diffenent time frames, well my ascertion holds true - normans are scandianavian - britons - where for the most part tutonic or celtic - different races - no matter when you look at them - as far as the brit nobility being more french - i disagree - the only way this occured was when the english and french intermarried for peace keeping sake - and i can only recall french women married to english men - not the other way around - so if the englishman went to a french region (regardless of who ruled it at the time) there kids where more french, and would be french until this day (that is if they werent killed during a revolution or to) - visa versa if the woman went to live on british soil - the only possible discrepency is brittany - i know a french babe and english dude married , and got brittany - just not sure if they're french or english by the way dave - please re-email me - i didnt recongine the name and figured the mail was spam - sorry steve ------------------------------ From: Jivita@aol.com Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 15:52:19 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #374 In a message dated 9/6/99 8:23:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << In just the month of August we had visits from the following countries (in no particular order); >> Very interesting. Korean arts are very popular world wide. I wonder which of those visitors where looking for FMA? Any idea? Jim Lowe Jivita@aol.com The Bamboo Price Record http://members.aol.com/fishyarn/pricerecord.html The Pish Page http://members.aol.com/jivita/PishPage.html The Berkeley Eskrima Club http://members.aol.com/EkaliArnis/BEC.html ------------------------------ From: chad g Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 13:40:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: re: training progression Some ways that I use to emphasize the live hand are doing siniwalli drills while using one stick. First you do the drill exactly like you had two sticks except the live hands will slap each other. After the student is comfortable with it, the student should change the way the drill is done if change is needed. For example, with the basic 6 count if you have double sticks, there are times when a stick will be chambered under your arm. If you don't have a stick in that hand, than you don't have to chamber that hand under your arm. This of course changes the drill to a single stick-live hand awareness drill. You can also do a high-low-high drill while "slapping hands" between the hits. Remember that this is just an "awareness" drill. There are times to actually "monitor" and there are times not to. Such a complex subject. Konrad Lorenz in "On Aggression" said it clearly when he said (I don't have the book on me at this moment, so it is a misquote at word for word)that it is hard to explain something when each part of the whole has such an influence on each other. Each part of the FMA has such an influence on each other that it becomes hard to answer any beginner's (or non-beginner for that matter) questions with a direct straight forward answer. Take that, and the fact that every teacher has a different interpretation of the subject, and you can thank your lucky stars that we are so fortunate to have this digest. Congratulations to Crafty and Pretty. Another Dog Brother is born. Chad Hawaii __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 15:00:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: 1/2-n-1/2 Moro kris > > > priests. The wavy blades are for the temporal (everyday) world and the > > > straight blades are for the ethereal or otherworld. > > > >As well as half-n-half, half straight (usually the half nearest the tip) > >and half wavy. > > The half-and-half blade, known as a kalis in the Philippines, > is not a kris. It is a Filipino adaptation of the kris, but there are no > half-and-half blades among the kris of indonesia, where it originated. My half-n-half blades are Moro kris, from the Sulu area. Two natives of that area, Jolo, assured me they were termed kris, not kalis. Perhaps the term kalis is used in the north, but these blades obviously are not northern in origin. ?? Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 15:02:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: FMA vs. KMA > << In just the month of August we had visits from the following countries (in > no particular order); > >> > > Very interesting. Korean arts are very popular world wide. I wonder which of > those visitors where looking for FMA? Any idea? No way for me to tell, however there are more subscribers to the eskrima-digest (~1100) than there are to the_dojang-digest (~750)... Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 15:16:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #375 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com in directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan Eskrima, and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.