From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #377 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Tues, 7 Sept 1999 Vol 06 : Num 377 In this issue: eskrima: Largusa / Villabrille (fwd) eskrima: Re: Bando eskrima: more on wavy blades eskrima: 4 arts seminar eskrima: a quick blurb eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan Eskrima, and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 12:29:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Largusa / Villabrille (fwd) Forwarding. Good info. Ray - ------------------------------------------------------------------ Forwarded message: From: "Mark Harrell" To: raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Largusa / Villabrille Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 14:34:52 PDT >From: Guro Mark Harrell >Hi Mr. Terry, >Thank you for providing such a nice forum. >This is just my personal opinion mixed in with >some Villabrille history. I thought I would send >it to you kinda as a FYI. >Take care, >Guro Harrell [snip] >In all reality, it was probably Grandmaster Largusa's teacher, the Late >Grandmaster Floro Villabrille who first publically demonstrated the >Villabrille Kali system to the general public. >As far the Filipino Martial Arts in general, it is not likely that either >Mr. Largusa or Mr. Villabrille were the first to publically demonstrate >the Filipino Arts in the United States. >Some of Grandmaster Floro Villabrille's public full contact matches were >held in Hawaii during his fighting career between the years of 1933 and >1947. Most of his matches in Hawaii were open to the public similar to >boxing matches. These were organized and funded events w/paying spectators. >It sure seems to me that Grandmaster Villabrille was demonstrating and >competing in the arts of Kali and Eskrima long before Mr. Largusa >even started training in Kali. (Largusa started studying Kali under >Grandmaster Villabrille in 1951). >Grandmaster Villabrille was active in training full contact Kali and >Eskrima fighters for the Honolulu Civic Auditorium in the 1930's and 1940's. >Grandmaster Villabrille's first full contact match in Hawaii was in 1935 >and was held at the old Honolulu Civic Auditorium. He fought against a >man named Veloriano Seqovia. >Villabrille's second fight was in 1938 and was held on the Island of Kauai >in the Manila Hall. He fought against a man named Andrike Kihano. >Grandmaster Villabrille fought many additional full contact matches >in the old Honolulu Civic Auditorium. The most famous of his Hawaii full >contact matches was a grudge match held in May of 1946 against a man >named: Francisco Ardona. >Grandmaster Villabrille retired from the ring undefeated in 1947. >Peace be with you, >Guro Mark Harrell >Villabrille-Largusa Kali system and others... ------------------------------ From: Joe Marszalek Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 12:31:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Re: Bando >From: Kaesa@aol.com >Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 16:51:29 EDT >Subject: eskrima: Bando > >Hello, > >Does anyone know of any good Bando web sites? I've >read that Dr Gyi >doesn't >want his art to become commercialized, but I was >curious as to who are >his >top students, and where his HQ's is. Are there any >other well known >Bando >players besides Dr Gyi? I haven't found any sites on Dr. Gyi or Bando. This past May we had the great opportunity to train with Dr. Gyi. With the small bit of info I collected I did create a biography page on Dr. Gyi at the Martial Arts Koncept site. http://home.earthlink.net/~makoncept The page is still under contruction (90% complete). If I find out any more info I will add it to my Dr. Gyi bio page. Sincerely, Joe Marszalek === Web Admin for Martial Arts Koncepts -- http://home.earthlink.net/~makoncept __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Gints Klimanis Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 15:06:47 -0700 Subject: eskrima: more on wavy blades Hi, Here's another possible explanation for the purpose of waves in blades. Jamaludin Mohd Yusof writes: Well, there are two ways I can go at this probem, neither of which I claim to be true.. 1) Mechanical arguments.. The kris blade is laminated by repeated folding and beating, which I think is not the case with most european blades (I dont know for sure).. That does a couple of things; it means you cant really have a very pointed tip without a lot of sharpening, and if you sharpen it too much I suspect you risk delaminating the blade. This is also a reason you cant serrate it, since if the serration depth is larger than the laminate width, you have the 'teeth' falling out easily.. I assume here that there is some loss of tensile strength across a seam.. As for the waves, It seems like adding waves to the blade increases the effective width (and possibly stiffness) without adding mass.. so either for reasons of economy (I dont think iron was easy to come by) or reduced moving mass, the wavy blade has some advantages... The waves also make the entry easier, I think, since they reduce the amount of friction as the blade is going in.. 2) Artistic reasons... I know for sure that in Brunei, there is a certain number of waves reserved for royal kris only (I think it is 7).. I can think of no reason that 7 is optimum in any mechanical sense, so this is purely cultural.. My point being that there is no reason to exclude purely aesthetic reasons for making the kris wavy (including the relatively low-order one that an intentionally wavy blade looks cool, whereas a blade thats trying to be straight but isnt quite just looks like shoddy workmanship) Comments on you comments: I dont think adding serrations to a dagger makes it more general purpose.. serrations only help in stabbing, not slashing.. ------------------------------ From: TaoArt@aol.com Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 18:09:23 EDT Subject: eskrima: 4 arts seminar Greetings All... We will be hosting a 4 Arts Seminar on Sunday, October 17th from 12noon-4:30PM. It will be at the Waltham Athletic Club in Waltham, Massachusetts. The seminar is for beginner through advanced, since we will be covering a number of arts that some practitioners may not have experienced before. We will be dividing the course up into four sections: 12-1PM One hour of Kenpo based Martial Arts (including Stick Drills and Board Breaking) 1-2PM One hour of Japanese Swordsmanship (Iaido and Kendo Kata) 2-2:30PM Break (refreshments provided) 2:30-3:30 One hour of European Foil Fencing 3:30-4:30 One hour of Street Defense with a Padded Attacker The purpose of this seminar is to simply provide an introduction to each of the different arts. Each class instructor is certified in their respective art. All equipment is provided. Advance Registration is necessary due to limited equipment (at-the-door arrivals may be turned away). If we reach the cap, your registration check will be returned uncashed. To register, send a check for $40 (postmarked before Sept. 27th) or $50 (postmarked before October 13th) payable to: Guard Up, Inc. 59 Dunster Road Bedford, MA 01730 *Please note the seminar name and date on your check. Please email GuardUp@aol.com with any questions or requests for directions. or call (781) 271-1491. Feel free to visit our website at www.guardup.com Balance, Meghan Gardner Instructor Director Guard Up, Inc. ------------------------------ From: "me the trash guy" Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 19:08:31 -0500 Subject: eskrima: a quick blurb howdy, just wanted to point something out; something which i've only seen one individual get. BTW, no offense is intended. the original post about knowing cultural differences in reference to fights, the way i read it, was talking about knowing those cultural differences in order to keep from getting into a fight. His point was know them so you're not giving off the incorrect ones; thus ending up in a fight. Or know them so you can hit the right buttons to "stare 'em down"; thus preventing a fight. I don't think there was any reference to knowing cultural differences so as to know what someone might do if u took a swing at 'em. enough said, see ya. JZ ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 19:47:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #377 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com in directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan Eskrima, and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.