From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #379 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Thur, 9 Sept 1999 Vol 06 : Num 379 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #377 eskrima: Sword Training in Italy?? eskrima: ATAMA Summer Seminar 1999 eskrima: GM Cacoy Book eskrima: Villabrille eskrima: BILL MCGRATH Question [none] eskrima: Re: Double the postage eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #375 eskrima: Re : Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #371 eskrima: a rose is a rose eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan Eskrima, and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Casto Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 13:56:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #377 << Comments on you comments: I dont think adding serrations to a dagger makes it more general purpose.. serrations only help in stabbing, not slashing.. >> Mmm ... this strikes me as odd. First, I will agree that a fully serrated blade isn't necessarily as "general" purpose as a straight blade or a combo blade ... have you ever tried to cut paper along a path with a serrated blade, it's not easy because, unless you're really careful, the serrations tend to catch the paper and tear it. However, when cutting meat (and people are meat if we're talking about using the knife in self-defense), serration is great for slashing. I can see how it might help for stabbing ... but I don't see where you think it doesn't help in slashing. If this were the case wouldn't steak knives be plain edged instead of serrated? I very severely cut my own finger with a serrated blade (stupid move several years ago). I wasn't trying to cut myself and had no intent behind the cut ... and still I went one layer from the bone and the knife cut through the meat of my finger like it was butter. Now, I haven't repeated this with a plain-edged knife to see if it cuts as badly, but I have tried cutting steak with a plain-edged knife ... it doesn't work as well as a serrated blade. If I'm mistaken and a plain-edge is better for slashing than a serrated edge, then could someone explain it to me. Respectfully, Mike __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "Jason M. Silverman" Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 18:13:25 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Sword Training in Italy?? Greetings All! I am hoping that someone out there can help me! I am getting married Sept. 26 (less than 3 weeks!) and will be honeymooning in Italy. We will be spending a few days in Rappalo, Cuneo, Venice, etc. I am looking for some form of Italian Edged Weaponry academy to visit so that I don't wind up "Jonesing" from lack of martial arts. Also if you know of any place to pick up some antique weapons while I am abroad, I would be most appreciative. Thanks in advance for your help! All the best ~ Jason M. Silverman Executive Edge Martial Development Universe Gym of North Quincy 31 Newport Avenue North Quincy, Ma 02171 (617) 472-1070 http://home.earthlink.net/~grappler/ ------------------------------ From: "Ray Terry" Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 17:57:53 -0700 Subject: eskrima: ATAMA Summer Seminar 1999 The third ATAMA seminar of 1999 will be held Sunday, September 26, 1999 from 1PM to 4PM at the French American International School Gym, 151 Oak Street [between Gough and Franklin Sts], San Francisco, California. The gym is located across the street from the school, enter through the gate. Presenters: Sensei Hans Goto - will teach the Way of Harmony an introduction to Aikido Self-Defense Professor Roger D'Onofrio - will teach defense counter measures using basic bridging techniques and principles Sensei Steve McCann - will teach Shotokan Karate techniques blended with takedown methods and finishing applications Mr. Anthony Tung CMT - will teach the basic correct steps of movement, coordination and usage of movement in Taichi Members $20 Non-members $25 Ray Terry rterry@best.com http://www.martialartsresource.com ------------------------------ From: "Don Edwards" Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 02:55:47 GMT Subject: eskrima: GM Cacoy Book "While in San Luis Obispo, we hung out with Tom Meadows, snip Wally Jay has been quoted as saying that Cacoy's Jiu jitsu is good, but his judo is very good.  With this thought in mind, it was time to take another look at what GM Cacoy does." Having trained with GM Cacoy since the late 80's and tossed around by him more times than I can remember I can attest that his judo , and more specifically, his escrido is excellent.. If anyone has the opportunity to train with him, definitley take advantage of it. Don Edwards ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Sovann D. Pen" Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 23:57:32 EDT Subject: eskrima: Villabrille >Some of Grandmaster Floro Villabrille's public full contact matches were >held in Hawaii during his fighting career between the years of 1933 and >1947. Most of his matches in Hawaii were open to the public similar to >boxing matches. These were organized and funded events w/paying spectators. Were there any rules, judges, padding for these matches? Sovann NW Karate for Christ ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ From: Patrick Davies Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 09:07:42 +0100 Subject: eskrima: BILL MCGRATH Question From: "BILL MCGRATH" I have had a few occasions where I had to train someone in a very short amount of time. The night before the '83 tournament in Texas one of the guys asked me to work with him for an hour on his single stick technique. With so little time to work, I gave him two strikes and some footwork and drilled him on the pattern for an hour. The next day he won his weight division. <> snip Pat Aberdeen Martial Arts Group ------------------------------ From: Patrick Davies Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 09:49:08 +0100 Subject: [none] <> Why get involved? Who gave you the right to interject and moralise even take into consideration that weapons could be drawn? I am not shouting these at you but these are moral/social issues that as human beings we face in various degrees. Baring in mind the limitation a description gives to the real feel of the event the only escalation was when the two of you decided to become involved. Now maybe if the woman hadnt have been there then you might had made different choices. I don't know. What I do know is that there was a time when I indicated my willingness to put the boot into the bloke who had raped a woman in our community. I was castigated by the women there for epitomising male violence. I was just another cog in the circle it was explained of the unceasing circle of violence which has different degrees but is still the same circle. It was another bloke who raped the girl but I was continuing the concept of male domination by seeking to extract justice in the form of introducing him to my rather new Doc Martins(a type of shoe). Now I understand those womens way of thinking and I suppose in certain degrees I agree with it BUT my make up is that I am bred to undertake protection of my familly and those close to me. Sometimes we can become over zealous and look to defend anybody that might be threatened regardless of our ignorance to what had happened. The situation described by Cory cannot tell us what really happened to instigate the situation but key incidents caused him to react. It's the key incidents that affect the motivation. In this case it might have been the crying woman and the fact that you both had your partners in the car. I asked an american girl from New York who had moved to England (this was around 84) why she had moved and she simply said that there had come a time when she had got fed up with having to pass by people on the pavement without offering to help. It was eating her up as she wanted to help. If you pay one beggar you have to pay then all and where does it stop? I worked the doors for a long time and I witnessed all sorts of events in and out of the places I worked. What it did was desensitise me and make me aware of when I become involved. The incidents I became involved in changed remarkably over the years as I became to recognise key points more easily. I have involved myself in stopping a guy hitting a girl only to have the girl hit me for being heavy handed with her boyfriend. I have had passer byes critisize me for not stopping a fight on the street. They looked at me to stop it as if it was outside their remit, when in fact it was outside my remit. I am proud of the time that I punched a guy out in order from leaving a bar to get a guy who I knew was armed. People have to solve their own messes and grow up. We cant treat them as irresponsible for ever. It's a difficult one. ------------------------------ From: "Joshua Hutchinson" Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 02:15:09 PDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Double the postage Oops! I accidentally hit the mouse one too many times on the last post I made. Sorry, Ray. Mabuhay Ang Eskrima! Fry Bread ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com ------------------------------ From: "Steven Drape" Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 05:08:23 PDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #375 >My half-n-half blades are Moro kris, from the Sulu area. Two natives of >that area, Jolo, assured me they were termed kris, not kalis. Perhaps >the term kalis is used in the north, but these blades obviously are not >northern in origin. ?? The term keris is often used to mean almost any style of blade in the south (Mindanao), and kalis is one particular style. Also, some people do call their blades kris. The term is used, but the blades are no longer actual krisses. A kris has a very sharply defined set of parameters, and the Filipino blades don't match most of them. Along with the Muslim religion went the word, but the blade design is not the same. Steve ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: p.taylor@talk21.com Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 09:21:57 BST Subject: eskrima: Re : Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #371 "Steven Drape" sdrape@hotmail.com wrote: >>>We train single stick first, then add a knife, then change the stick >>>for a sword, and then finally take away the sword so only knife is left. We >>>don't train double sticks at all. >>What style is this (just curious)? >Abner Pasa's Warrior System. He is based in Cebu. - --- Hello Steve, I'm currently training under one of Abner's instructors Doug Tucker, working my way through Abner's applied eskrima material. This does contains double stick work, I know that the Institute teaches at three level Applied, Warriors and Abners personal system, as I haven't trained in the latter two I can't comment on what's in there. I'm also told he teaches more unusual weapons such as axe, chain and whip which I would mind seeing. Regards Paul reply to: paul@eskrima.demon.co.uk - -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 06:48:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: a rose is a rose > The term keris is often used to mean almost any style of blade in the > south (Mindanao), and kalis is one particular style. Also, some people do > call their blades kris. The term is used, but the blades are no longer > actual krisses. A kris has a very sharply defined set of parameters, and the > Filipino blades don't match most of them. Along with the Muslim religion > went the word, but the blade design is not the same. Sounds like no one told the locals they are using the term incorrectly... :) Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 06:35:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #379 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com in directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan Eskrima, and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.