From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #381 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Fri, 10 Sept 1999 Vol 06 : Num 381 In this issue: eskrima: Vocabulary help please eskrima: Knives: adding serrations for utility eskrima: Tom Meadows' Cacoy Canete book Subject: eskrima: Sword Training in Italy?? eskrima: RE: Use of force policies eskrima: Re: Bill Mcgrath question eskrima: Villabrille eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #379 - Get me to the church on time! eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #379 - It slices, it dices... eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #379 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #379 eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan Eskrima, and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: abass@iname.com Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 23:12:33 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Vocabulary help please Could someone provide definitions for these words? I'm trying to put some meaning to the upcoming skills in my notebook. Karensa Redondo Boulan Kawayan Pina Saka Dakop Higot-Hubud All input is appreciated. ashley - --------------------------------------------------- All the busy little creatures Chasing out their destinies Living in their pools They soon forget about the sea... - ----------------------------------N.P.------------- ------------------------------ From: Gints Klimanis Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 22:23:40 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Knives: adding serrations for utility > From: Mike Casto > Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 13:56:08 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #377 > > << Comments on you comments: I dont think adding > serrations to a dagger makes it more general purpose.. > serrations only help in stabbing, not slashing.. >> > > Mmm ... this strikes me as odd. First, I will agree > that a fully serrated blade isn't necessarily as > "general" purpose as a straight blade or a combo blade > ... have you ever tried to cut paper along a path with > a serrated blade, it's not easy because, unless you're > really careful, the serrations tend to catch the paper > and tear it. Actually, I was joking around. If you add serrations to your weapon, you don't have to carry another knife to slice your bread or your opponent's loaf if you can reach it. ------------------------------ From: "Marc Denny" Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 22:41:07 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Tom Meadows' Cacoy Canete book A Howl etc: Re: Tom Meadows book on Cacoy Canete: I spoke with Tom last night and he says that the book is done and is back in the Philippines and will be published there. If I remember correctly, the stories of some 55 fights/death matches etc will be told. When it comes out I'll be sure to get one. Woof, Crafty Dog ------------------------------ From: "J" Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 02:07:05 -0400 Subject: Subject: eskrima: Sword Training in Italy?? Italy really is not the place to look for antique weapons. If you are going to be abroad the best place and if you have time would be Turkey the prices there are very very low for any type of antiques the best place to find antique weapons in turkey would be either ismer that is on the alana coast or in the capital of turkey Ankara I lived there for 3 years during the gulf war and you will find many weapons there from all over the world I have seen and played with some of the finest gypsy knives there you will also find many ottoman empire weapons. the reason you will find the prices so cheep for antiques is that in turkey nothing is considered an antique till its over 1000 years old and that is the main limitations on non residents in turkey for buying old or antiques regardless if its a sword or a chair if you do go to Ankara contact the us embassy they have a list there for all us citizens of places that you can trust when shopping you can do the same in Ismire at the consulate In Ankara you can also contact the Hilton hotel they have auctions ever month starting in Oct and as well are very good with prices and they guarantee what you get as well hope that helps some J bows deeply Johnaleen@msn.com ------------------------------ From: "Dennis S. Troy Jr." Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:09:37 -0700 Subject: eskrima: RE: Use of force policies Joe Wrote: From: "Joe & Doro Hironaka" Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 12:05:56 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Use of force policies The following is an excerpt from the US Border Patrol Use of Nondeadly = Force Policy. My question is, are other agencies policies as = restricting? My main concern is for the prohibition of the choke holds = and strikes to the solar plexus and groin. These are all tools needed = to end a confrontation quickly. IMHO I think that omitting these = techniques prolongs the confrontation and the possibility of either the = officer or suspect getting more seriously injured increases. To add = insult to injury, during our training for the ASP we were instructed not = to strike the joints (i.e.. knees and elbows). The main target = emphasized was the common peronial, but this is a hard nerve strike to = activate with a stick. It needs a tool more like a knee to make it = work. E. Nondeadly Force Prohibited Acts and Techniques; The following acts = and techniques are prohibited when using nondeadly force: 1. Choke holds, carotid control holds, and other neck restraints 2. Use of baton to apply choke or "come along" holds to the neck area; = and 3. Intentional strikes with a baton to the head, the groin, the solar = plexus, the neck, the kidneys, or the spinal column Joe Hironaka >>> Well, from what I have seen, some agencies will have the same as the = U.S. B.P. as part of their NON-LETHAL Force Continuim. Some agencies consider the neck, head, spine, groin solar plexus and the = such as RED target (lethal force) areas. Therefore, when using = non-lethal force, these areas would be off-limits for INTENTIONAL = targets. When using lethal force, and it is authorized/justified, then these = areas become available as targets, again, not all departments/agencies = are the same. As for the joints, they would be YELLOW target (secondary) areas. Respectfully submitted, Dennis S. Troy Jr. ------------------------------ From: chad g Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:21:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Re: Bill Mcgrath question 5 minute explanation on long range and close range. 10 to 15 minutes on the backhand jab and redondo, which would be applicable to the long range. 45 minutes on the roof deflection against forehand strikes and palis palis on backhand strikes. Of course, all this depends on the guy. Maybe 5 minutes on a backhand power shot if it was a fight to submission or knockout. Chad Hawaii __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "Mark Harrell" Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 01:29:54 PDT Subject: eskrima: Villabrille From: "Sovann D. Pen" Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 23:57:32 EDT Subject: eskrima: Villabrille Some of Grandmaster Floro Villabrille's public full contact matches were held in Hawaii during his fighting career between the years of 1933 and 1947. Most of his matches in Hawaii were open to the public similar to boxing matches. These were organized and funded events w/paying spectators. >>Were there any rules, judges, padding for these matches? Sovann NW Karate for Christ _________________________________________________________________ >No padding, real sticks, and as far as any rules went, I do not >know of any. However some rules probably did exist because otherwise >there >would be no need for a referee in the ring. >This type of match was outlawed in the United States at the >time of Mr. Villabrille's retirement. Peace be with you, Guro Harrell ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Jon Howard" Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:54:02 +0100 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #379 - Get me to the church on time! Jason, Jason, Jason - Give it a rest for a week. Your going on your honeymoon for God's sake, if there was ever an excuse for to take a break and spend quality time with the other true love in your life then this is it.... Just try to sneak in some training and you'll really get a MA workout (at least if your wife is anything like mine *grin*). Any of the ladies out there wanna back me up 8-) ALL things in moderation Good luck with the wedding -and have a wonderful day... Jon... BTW - No offsense was intended here - just a reality check. > >------------------------------ > >From: "Jason M. Silverman" >Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 18:13:25 -0400 >Subject: eskrima: Sword Training in Italy?? > >Greetings All! > >I am hoping that someone out there can help me! I am getting married Sept. >26 (less than 3 weeks!) and will be honeymooning in Italy. We will be >spending a few days in Rappalo, Cuneo, Venice, etc. I am looking for some >form of Italian Edged Weaponry academy to visit so that I don't wind up >"Jonesing" from lack of martial arts. Also if you know of any place to >pick up some antique weapons while I am abroad, I would be most appreciative. > >Thanks in advance for your help! > >All the best ~ > >Jason M. Silverman >Executive Edge Martial Development > ------------------------------ From: "Jon Howard" Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:10:25 +0100 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #379 - It slices, it dices... > >From: Mike Casto >Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 13:56:08 -0700 (PDT) >Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #377 > ><< Comments on you comments: I dont think adding >serrations to a dagger makes it more general purpose.. >serrations only help in stabbing, not slashing.. >> > >Mmm ... this strikes me as odd. First, I will agree >that a fully serrated blade isn't necessarily as >"general" purpose as a straight blade or a combo blade >... have you ever tried to cut paper along a path with >a serrated blade, it's not easy because, unless you're >really careful, the serrations tend to catch the paper >and tear it. > > >If I'm mistaken and a plain-edge is better for >slashing than a serrated edge, then could someone >explain it to me. > >Respectfully, Mike >__________________________________________________ > Hi there. I think that your anwsering your own question a bit here Mike. You have to realise the difference between a cut and a slash (in my humle opionion anyway). I would define a slash as a fast smooth continuous move that cuts as it is drawn across the surface of the target and as you pointed out, serrations tend to catch and tear more than a plain edge - I think is due to the different angles that the blade edge is presented to the target. A cut is a more deliberate motion (often executed quiet slowly) designed to affect a specific area, maybe acting through a back and forth almost sawing motion. If you think of the way the meat fibres are laid out in a piece of steak then you can see how the serrations cut through through the fibres, where a straight edge would simply cause the fibres to move about underneath the blade. Consider the difference between cutting something that is taught, against cutting something that is relaxed with both plain and serrated blades. I think the spyderco (et al) 50 / 50 blades - plain at the tip, serrated at the back are probably the most general purpose... My own $0.02 (plus sales tax of course!) - Would someone with a bit more experience like to jump in here ??? Jon... ------------------------------ From: "Steven Drape" Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 05:07:30 PDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #379 >Sounds like no one told the locals they are using the term incorrectly... >:) I didn't mean to imply that they are using it incorrectly, only that the blade that they use and call a kris is not, as per the standards of the people who invented it. As we say in linguistics, a word is correct if enough people use it. There are no such things as prescriptive language rules anymore (the ones that tell you what you can or can't do), only descriptive terms. I think the same thing applies to whatever someone wants to call their blade. They could call it a claymore if they wanted to, and if everyone agrees, then it is. Never mind the Scottish version! Steve ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: AKRKali@aol.com Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:52:29 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #379 I would like any ones opinion on angles of attack from right hand or left hand position. When we train, we say the number to the beginner, and he/she give the proper angle primarily with their right stick. That is if we are both hold the stick say, in our right hand. Would the number of the angle change if he/she hold their stick in their left hand and you are holding your weapon in your right hand? Just wanting to know your opinion. We have tried both. They give the exact angle they did with stick in right hand (I call a #1 angle, and they feed my angle #1 which is really a left handers #2) or, they mirror the movement on opposite side. Example: The left hander feeds their #1 angle which is the right handers angle #2. What works best for your school. Thanks, and keep up the good work on the digest. Dave ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:09:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #381 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com in directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan Eskrima, and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.