From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #385 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Sat, 11 Sept 1999 Vol 06 : Num 385 In this issue: eskrima: Care and feeding of serrated knives eskrima: What to do on a honeymoon eskrima: Icepick grip & 1 hour training eskrima: Reality Fighting eskrima: An old movie eskrima: Tactical Knives magazine in the UK eskrima: Life's simple pleasures eskrima: Re: more Sticks right & left eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #379 Re: eskrima: Reality Fighting Re: eskrima: Icepick grip & 1 hour training eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan Eskrima, and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pnn Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:47:20 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Care and feeding of serrated knives > From: "David Chinell" > > I used to like 50/50 blades until I started > sharpening my own knives. Over the past year I've > slowly replaced every serration in my > (considerable) collection of tactical knives. I > just can't sharpen them, and I HAVE to be able to > maintain my own tools. > > I would suggest that you get a Spyderco Triangle sharpener.It is a ceramic stick sharpener. The sticks are triangular in cross section and the corners can be used to sharpen the serrations. It is a bit time consuming, but a small (3") serrated knife can be sharpened in 5-10 minutes. (Dry-shaving sharp) There are several other companies that sell these type of triangular ceramic sticks. Paul Nagata ------------------------------ From: Michael Koblic Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:00:22 -0700 Subject: eskrima: What to do on a honeymoon >I have to agree with Jon here. I always train on VACATIONS, but I didn't >even CONSIDER training while on my honeymoon. My wife is very understanding >and accommodating wrt my MA's, but even so, I think training on the >honeymoon would've been pushing it. > >I say take a break from it .... but, if you're really gung ho to do this ... >ask your future bride what she thinks about the idea (be prepared to duck >flying objects). > >Good luck! > Sorry, disagree! You must start as you mean to continue. A number of options are available: 1) Marry another MA. Preferably of the same persuasion. Tai Chi and hard styles do not mix well if you wish to practice together (believe me I know!). 2) "Dear, would you rather be married to a happily fulfilled man or to a bitter one harbouring deep resentments which will eat at the very roots of our marriage and eventually lead to depression, substance abuse etc." Be prepared to have your bluff called. 3) Do a deal: e.g. opera or ballet in exchange for equal amount of MA. When keeping your side of the deal practice your meditation, moving chi about etc. Avoid snoring! Mike Koblic, Quesnel BC Married 21 years ------------------------------ From: "BILL MCGRATH" Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:06:21 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Icepick grip & 1 hour training Ray asked why I preferred icepick grip for a small folder. I consider a knife with a 4 inch blade the ".22 pistol" of the knife world. It's very concealable, you are very likely to have it on you when trouble starts, it is capable of killing someone, but it is not your best bet if you have to stop a man RIGHT NOW. If you have to stop a man and you are armed with a .357 magnum loaded with 125 grain hollow points you can aim "center mass" and have a 95% or better chance of stopping him with the first shot. That is not the case if you had to stop the same man and you were armed with a .22. A hack with a 16" barong or even a 9" bowie anywhere on the weapon arm will probably disable that arm. In fact you will probably "disarm" him. The same motion with a 4" folder just won't have the same affect. Add some clothing and if you do break the skin, your opponent might not even notice the cut (cutting meat or cutting through a stationary dummy is just not the same thing as trying to cut a moving opponent high, mean and coming at you). To put it simply a slash with a 4" knife is rarely, if ever, 4" deep, while a thrust with a 4" knife has a good chance of penetrating a full 4". Now why icepick grip? The knife held in icepick grip makes for a seamless transition from empty hand vs. knife technique into knife vs. knife. Since I can't rely on the 4" blade to stop his attack, I use my hand vs. knife techniques and the knife just adds the extra "punch" on the end. Also the handles of most folders leave much to be desired and holding the knife in icepick grip helps retain it in the hand during stress. During my knife classes, when I see someone holding their knife with a loose fencer's grip, I can often simply slap the knife out of their hands. This is not something I can easily do when they are in icepick grip. Now don't get me wrong, if given a choice I would rather use a large knife in hammer grip if I had to fight with a knife. I just consider using the same knife technique with both a 16" bolo and a 4" balisong as much of a mistake as using the same shooting technique with both a shotgun and a derringer. I asked a question in my last post and so far have gotten few takers. The question was: if you had only an hour to train a guy (he was being shipped overseas to a warzone tomorrow) what few techniques would you give him. Do this for each category of weapon you teach. I remember Guro Dan telling a story of a good fighter who built his whole single stick technique around vertical witiks. I have heard of another eskrimador who built his espada y daga style around just flywheels and a single dagger thrust. Come on guys, everyone can't be in such agreement with my choices for what I would teach (in ED # 378 and PTD on 9/8) that they have nothing to add to the discussion. I know whittling your choices down to 3 or 4 techniques per weapon is hard, but it should not be impossible for the people on this list. Regards, Tuhon Bill McGrath ------------------------------ From: "J K Curtis" Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:14:22 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Reality Fighting Hello, One complaint I hear about the all out sparring the Dog Bros do(...et al), is that looking to go to the ground is a bad idea. This doesn't take into account multiple opponents. I have heard it said that in Brazil people will stand back and let the two combatants duke it out mano y mano. But alas, in present day America "spectators" are all too eager to get a free shot in... they see someone getting the best of their friend and they try to even the odds by laying some shoe leather up side the other guy's head. Or, they might just get involved even if they don't have a friend involved. Or... it might just be a case of having to face multiple opponents from the outset. So... is there a way thet we can bring multiple opponents into the equation? Has anyone ever done real contact team sparring? ....maybe 3 x 3 might be a good starting point? This might make the participants a little less eager to take the fight to the ground. Is there any reason that this isn't feasable? What kind of safety measures would have to be in place? Would it just be a matter of having fighters that you would trust to not seriously injure his sparring partners? Maybe have an official for each pair of fighters to step in? So what do you think.... any merit to this idea? Crafty Daddy... what ye say? ~Kev ------------------------------ From: "james lankford" Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 18:26:45 -0400 Subject: eskrima: An old movie I just saw Gung Ho, a fictional movie made in 1943 about the US Marines in the pacific during early WW2. It wasn't a documentary, but was filmed to resemble one. A narrator describes their advanced training program as they train for knife combat. He says something like, 'we learned from a filipino how to fight with knives and how to defend against them.' I just thought it was interesting that a movie that old would acknowledge and admit the strength of the filipinos in knife fighting. There was also a scene where a marine was dancing with a nurse. As he pulls her close, she asks him,' it that a new judo hold?' I also thought that was interesting. I think that is the earliest movie I know of that mentions judo. ------------------------------ From: Udhi Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 11:24:39 +0100 Subject: eskrima: Tactical Knives magazine in the UK Hi all, Can somebody direct me to a UK address where I could buy "Tactical Knives" magazines?, I saw their site on the net, and it looked pretty interesting. A place in the NorthWest would be good, but I am willing to travel. Regards Udhi ------------------------------ From: d g Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 05:45:26 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Life's simple pleasures A fellow med-van driver got this one out of x-ray the other day. I thought I'd share it with you. When life's simple pleasures get you down. Remember, it takes 42 muscles to frown and only 4 to reach out and smack the a&&#*^e upside the head. Donna - -- NO!! My cycle doesn't leak! It marks it's territory. ------------------------------ From: "Branwen Thomas" Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:21:47 -0230 Subject: eskrima: Re: more Sticks right & left Howdy Dave, in our school we teach angles one to five as mirror images, I guess. That is, angle 1 right hand is a downward strike to your opponent's left clavicle - angle 1 left hand is downward strike to your opponent's right clavicle. As I said, we haven't trained mismatched leads much yet, but we are a fairly young school - I'm still working on it myself! If I was doing it, I would call the angles from my opponent's perspective eg. If I asked them for a #1, I would defend it as a #2. (hopefully - i broke my collarbone when I was 15 and am in no rush to have it happen again ;) so basically, angle 1 is the same movement on both sides, but coming from different directions... clear as mud? jocelyne Roaring Girl * Purveyor Of Fine Books * Beater Of Bodhrans * Smiter Of The Wicked * * Owned By Angus, Most Elegant And Pleasing Of Cats * ------------------------------ From: Andrew R Breton Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 09:42:44 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #379 > >From: "Don Edwards" >Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 02:55:47 GMT >Subject: eskrima: GM Cacoy Book > >Having trained with GM Cacoy since the late 80's and tossed around by >him >more times than I can remember I can attest that his judo , and more >specifically, his escrido is excellent.. If anyone has the opportunity >to >train with him, definitley take advantage of it. > >Don Edwards > Sorry about the late addition to this thread (I only read my home email once or twice a week). I was wondering if there were any resources (books, videos, websites) on escrido. I have run across it in various magazines before, but only to define it as a hybrid of judo and escrima, never anything that describes the techniques. My question is, how does one enter into judo throws from an escrima/ FMA framework? I am pretty familiar with both arts, so you can use judo terminology, but please describe the FMA techniques (as demonstrated in recent issues of the digest, even the numbering system can differ from art to art). Thanks in advance for your responses. Andrew Breton ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 09:15:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: eskrima: Reality Fighting > One complaint I hear about the all out sparring > the Dog Bros do(...et al), is that looking to go > to the ground is a bad idea. This doesn't take > into account multiple opponents. I have heard it > said that in Brazil people will stand back and let > the two combatants duke it out mano y mano. But > alas, in present day America "spectators" are all > too eager to get a free shot in... they see > someone getting the best of their friend and they > try to even the odds by laying some shoe leather > up side the other guy's head. Or, they might just > get involved even if they don't have a friend > involved. I have no problem with what our Dog Bro. friends do, it has a very important place in learning what works on the field of battle and what doesn't. But wrt to the above, I -suspect- that most of us are not so concerned about the dual type fight, i.e. two guys beating the snot out of each other like the good ole high school days :). The real concern is being attached on the street by "Bad Guys". Bad guys usually run in packs, sometimes we don't. Our goal is to survive the attack, not beat the snot out of the guy, and perhaps his friends. This is why -I- think going to the ground in a poor idea. You take one down or one takes you down and then the others get to give your head a few boots if not a shiv in the back. Work on stand up grappling and avoiding take downs through whatever means. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 09:19:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: eskrima: Icepick grip & 1 hour training > Now why icepick grip? The knife held in icepick grip makes for a > seamless transition from empty hand vs. knife technique into knife vs. > knife. Since I can't rely on the 4" blade to stop his attack, I use my > hand vs. knife techniques and the knife just adds the extra "punch" on > the end. Also the handles of most folders leave much to be desired and > holding the knife in icepick grip helps retain it in the hand during > stress. During my knife classes, when I see someone holding their > knife with a loose fencer's grip, I can often simply slap the knife > out of their hands. This is not something I can easily do when they > are in icepick grip. On your icepick/earth grip, do you like edge out or edge in? Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 09:12:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #385 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com in directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan Eskrima, and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.