From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #398 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Fri, 17 Sept 1999 Vol 06 : Num 398 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #397 eskrima: Re: Choice of Weapons eskrima: Sticks in California eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #397 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #397 eskrima: FBB eskrima: Reminder ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan Eskrima, and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joe Talmadge Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 11:14:11 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #397 > From: Ray Terry > Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 08:31:03 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: Re: eskrima: Sticks in California > > > Interesting you know I travel allot, I am originally from Calif. but I have > > traveled via the SFO,SAC and LAX airports I have taken my sticks everywhere > > and there not in my luggage I have never been stopped at a gate or > > questioned at the security booth or > > the police in Calif. for having them on me. > > is this just luck? > > Perhaps. > > I, too, have traveled with my sticks and have not had problems with the polic e > in CA. But I have not given them reason to bother me either. I suspect > that has a lot to do with it. If you are giving them a reason to bother you > - -and- you have something that fits 12020 (in Calif) then they'll most likel y > use it. I vaguely remember Khalid Khan telling me he got warned by police to leave whatever park he was working out at, I think it was Shoreline Park (in CA). I think it was just a one-on-one private in serrada, and from his description, it sounded like the police weren't pleased. cheers, Joe Talmadge jat@cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Robbie Trinidad Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 03:05:20 +0800 Subject: eskrima: Re: Choice of Weapons Hello, I would have answered sooner but I've been busy. > From: Michael Koblic > Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 19:21:16 -0700 > Subject: eskrima: Choice of weapons > > Recent threads regarding training with weapons of preference got me > thinking: consideration has so far been given to a single or double stick, > sword or espada y daga. > > My understanding from others who know (or are supposed to) is that longer > weapons ("pole arms") are a)more effective... It's a generally accepted that in a fight, assuming all else is equal, the fighter with the longer reach has a distinct advantage. > ...and b)easier to use. I'm not so sure. > I am lead to > believe that even a skilled swordsman had difficulty fighting against a > spear/halberd. That reminds my of a story of a drunken fencing master who got into a bar fight and was quickly trounced by some sailors using boat oars. > One would have thought that over 2000 years of experience would favour sword > as a side-arm. However, nowadays carrying a sword openly invites comments > from authorities. Depends on where you are. Over here, in rural areas, you can get away with carrying a utility blade (itak). > The same would probably apply to a spear, but how about a > 4' to 6' staff? Unless you were an old man, you'd just look... weird. > Let us assume that one could wander about with such implement unhindered: > would it not then become a weapon of choice? Depends on where you are. If there's lot's of open space, maybe. If you're going to be indoors a lot, a staff is impractical. Another problem with the staff is you can't keep it on your person. What if you have to eat or go to the bathroom (Oh no! Not THAT thread again :) )? A sword or a knife is a lot more accessible in such situations. > Particularly if one had only an hour to learn to use it? I think that a stick/sword is much easier to learn than a staff for the following reasons: 1. Practical experience - In everyday life, we have much more experience in using short rigid tools than long ones. Most of us have used a hammer, crowbar, wrench, etc. Take some sports for instance. Most people have played baseball, tennis (or any sport using a racquet), golf, or hockey. Most of these sports teach players to use short rigid paraphernalia in ways similar to stick/swordfighting. 2. Media - Star Wars, Zorro, Highlander... Even if a person has never held a sword in his life, he has a rough idea from all the movies out there. Ask anyone who has watched Star Wars: Episode one which lightsaber looks easier to wield, Qui Gon's or Darth Maul's. 3. Instinct & Intuition - I think that there are to types of weapons that are more intuitive to man: sticks and stones. I've you've ever seen videotapes of riots or demonstrations, you're most likely to see rioteers throw rocks and use lead pipes. Regards - -- [=======================================================================] [ Roberto B. Trinidad | E-mail: deadlock@mozcom.com ] [ CEO - World Domination NetCorp. | http://www2.mozcom.com/~deadlock/ _ ] [ Freelance 3D Graphics Animator | Quezon City, Philippines _ // ] [ and Desktop Videographer | Member: Team AMIGA \X/ ] [-----------------------------------------------------------------------] [ "Online exchanges may be virtual, ] [ but the emotions they provoke are quite real." ] [ -- Michael Krantz, Is Denny Really Dead? TIME MAGAZINE, 4-Aug-97 -- ] [=======================================================================] ------------------------------ From: "J" Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 18:38:10 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Sticks in California Yes well Granted I don't look the part of international killer that is for sure when I travel I dress well and I am a 36 year old women that walks with a cane I look more the target then the aggressor and I don't use the sticks to defend myself in an airport or on the street as I have the cane I use for anything like that in public the sticks never leave the case, I have only had to use the sticks in public once for defense and was more to keep a few young men in line for something they did to me but of course that was not in Calif. but on the small island I live on here on the east coast and the police did show up but they just escorted the 4 youths off the island and smiled at me hehe they caught me at a bad moment I had the sticks with me as I was just coming home from training otherwise they would not have even been with me in the car that day and I would have just used my cane instead not as showy as the sticks but just as deadly J bows deepy From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 08:31:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: eskrima: Sticks in California Perhaps. > Interesting you know I travel allot, I am originally from Calif. but I have > traveled via the SFO,SAC and LAX airports I have taken my sticks everywhere > and there not in my luggage I have never been stopped at a gate or > questioned at the security booth or > the police in Calif. for having them on me. > is this just luck? I, too, have traveled with my sticks and have not had problems with the police in CA. But I have not given them reason to bother me either. I suspect that has a lot to do with it. If you are giving them a reason to bother you - - -and- you have something that fits 12020 (in Calif.) then they'll most likely use it. ------------------------------ From: T00INTENSE@aol.com Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 19:05:03 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #397 >From: "J" >Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:25:24 -0400 >Subject: eskrima: Sticks in California > >or is this something I am doing unconsciously >that's keeping the police and security from giving me problems over my >weapons ? Maybe you don't look threatening enough to pose a problem ? ------------------------------ From: "William Upton-Knittle" Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 17:32:53 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #397 > is this just luck? Perhaps. I, too, have traveled with my sticks and have not had problems with the police in CA. But I have not given them reason to bother me either. I suspect that has a lot to do with it. If you are giving them a reason to bother you - - -and- you have something that fits 12020 (in Calif) then they'll most likely use it. Ray Terry Yes, and he DID mention that they have "watched" him for a while...maybe once they felt he was truly practicing they let it go and just drove on. Also some jurisdictions will be harsher in one area than another.....I'm sure if you practice openly in E.L.A. some evening you would definitely be questioned. Also since Rodney King, various police officers feel differently about stops that aren't really clean. b ------------------------------ From: Kilap@aol.com Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 21:18:04 EDT Subject: eskrima: FBB Fry Bread Boy ponders a hitch... 1.Josh Hutchinson knows what's best for Josh Hutchinson. This says it best. Period. The Marines are the best Riflemen. Aside from the "This is my Rifle, this is my life"....They typically win most marksmanship contests. But well for the most weapons systems well see the Army SF as hinted at. Weekend Warriors don't compare to active duty. Being a pragmatic realist aside from the advertised "glory" realize that in a four year tour in the Corps some of your buddies will make the "ultimate sacrifice". And that is a sanitized way of saying it. Don't get me wrong there are great times too. << Now things might differ in some of the more specialized units Marine Force >>Recon, Special Forces etc. However, these are very hard units to get into, >> mainly because of the red tape >> Up to the individual more than red tape. For Hollywood's depiction's with some elements of reality see the boot camp scene of Full Metal Jacket, though the Senior DI isn't the most active. Check out the beach scene of Saving Private Ryan, though the mama thing is probably overplayed, and for an idea of the Balkans (Serbia/Croatia/etc.) check out Savior ..a good movie. And realize that one joins the military or at least the Corps. it is expected, pratically demanded to be the primary focus of your life..over such things as family, etc. That's the way it is. Anyhow back to FMA already. Semper Fi, Travis ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 19:04:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Reminder Reminder... The list will be down from 9/19 to 9/28. Ray Terry rterry@best.com ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #398 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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