From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #417 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Thur, 7 Oct 1999 Vol 06 : Num 417 In this issue: eskrima: Re:Inosanto Strikes eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #415 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #416 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #415 eskrima: STICKS IN NJ eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #415 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #416 eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan Eskrima, and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. 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Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jivita@aol.com Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 22:27:28 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re:Inosanto Strikes In a message dated 10/6/99 5:52:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Subject: eskrima: Inosanto's 12 angles In my copy of The Filipino Martial Arts, Inosanto pictures 12 angles as: 1- downward diagonal to left side of target head/neck/shoulder 2- downward diagonal to right side of target head/neck/shoulder 3- horizontal left side of target ribs/hip/elbow 4- horizontal to right side of target ribs/hip/elbow 5- thrust to stomach 6- overhand thrust to left side of opponent chest/shoulder 7- backhand thrust to right side of opponent chest/shoulder 8- backhand strike to top of opponent head 9- upward diagonal strike to left side of opponent knee/leg 10- upward diagonal strike to right side of opponent knee/leg 11- straight downward strike to opponent head 12- straight rising blow to opponent groin Can any of you who've trained lately with Inosanto tell me if these angles are still the ones he uses? Or have some changed as the years have passed? ashley bass >> Hi Ashley, I'm not an Inosanto student, so I can't tell you what he's doing lately. I also have the FMA book and also a book by one of his students which show the "Inosanto-LaCoste" strikes as: 1) Diagonal forehand to the crown 2) Diagonal backhand to the crown 3) horizontal forehand to the hip 4) horizontal backhand to the hip 5) thrust to abdomen 6) Thrust to left chest 7) thrust to right chest 8) overhead backhand to top of head 9) forehand to knee 10) backhand to knee 11) rising forehand to the knee 12) rising backhand to the knee 13) horizontal forehand to the neck 14) horizontal backhand to the neck 15) overhead forehand to top of head 16) diagonal backhand to the neck 17) rising forehand to the neck The book also lists strikes for a knife system. Regards. Jim Lowe Berkeley Eskrima Club ------------------------------ From: SReiter000@aol.com Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 00:18:13 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #415 < From: tcsno I was looking at some back issues of E-D and noticed a thread about ground grappling and silat. It was mentioned that Herman Suwanda had little trouble with a BJJ arm bar, and a harimau guy had a friendly roll with Chris Poznik. >> I'm not going to mention any names because of the political implications, however a well known MA who is a instructor in several silat systems and also a very high rank BJJ practioner states that as far as pure grappling goes - no one is better than the brazilians - however when you add the striking and knife into the mix it's tough to beat the silat players - each has it's place - also each compliment each other - he doesnt think the silat as a STRAIGHT grappling system is effect against a TRAINED grappler - also if you remember a early ultimate (or maybe one of the other nhb fights) a silat player didnt do so well - but again as a silat player myself most the "barred" rules are stock in trade for the silat man - so his tools were severly hampered steve ------------------------------ From: SReiter000@aol.com Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 00:58:59 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #416 << subject: eskrima: Inosanto's 12 angles In my copy of The Filipino Martial Arts, Inosanto pictures 12 angles as:... hi asley - its changed a little - but thats par for the course - in the 5 years i've been train in the inosanto blend system and 3 directly under him things always change - sometimes from class to class - someone thinks it's so he knows what time frame you've studied under him - other say it's just him constantly refining - it's been these angles for the past 5 years anyway - 1- downward diagonal to left side of target head/neck/shoulder 2- downward backhand diagonal to right side of target head/neck/shoulder 3- horizontal left side of target ribs/hip/elbow 4- horizontal backhand to right side of target ribs/hip/elbow 5- thrust to stomach 6- backhand thrust to right side of opponent chest/shoulder 7- forehand thrust to left side of opponent chest/shoulder 8- vertical strike to top of opponent head 9- downward diagonal strike to left side of opponent knee/leg 10- downward backhand diagonal strike to right side of opponent knee/leg 11-upward diagonal strike to left side of opponent knee/leg 12- upward backhand diagonal strike to right side of opponent knee/leg 13- side step (like pekiti knife tapping) horizontal forehand to the left side shoulder/ear 14- side step (like pekiti knife tapping) horizontal backhand to the right side shoulder/ear 15- vertical redondo to the right side of your body (counter clockwise) 16- diagonal redondo (counter clockwise) starting on the right side of your body think of doing a back hand but starting it from your forehand side - you would have to go behind and over your head to get to your backhand (angle 2) - as you finish the movement cross your right foot in front of your left and come up on the ball of your right foot so your on your toes (this sets up angle 17) 17- upward diagonal thrust - starts from your right hip goes across your body ends at your left shoulder - think of impaling your opponent through the nads to right shoulder - these are consider the basic's that each student has to know - i've learnt 52 anlges so far - but i hear there are alot more - i've seen 75 done and dont think thats the end -- anyway, when guro dan has us perform the angles as a warm up it is these 17 with single stick, 3 diff sets of double stick. knife (dungab and pacal) , single and double end staff, and dos monos stick - and some other instructor's throw in the stick and knife set -- hope that helps steve ------------------------------ From: d g Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 18:06:19 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #415 > From: "Maurer, Amybeth" > Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 15:21:15 -0500 > Subject: help > > I am looking for a group to demonstrate/perform FMA at a local community > college. We are willing to pay a group to come in. My problem is in > locating such an organization or school that offers FMA. I am located in > Elgin, Illinois about 45 miles west of Chicago. If anyone has a contact > name or a FMA school in the area please email me and let me know! Have u tried Kim's Black Belt Academy to see what they have or know of anything? They r in Elgin. Look in the phone book. Donna - -- NO!! My cycle doesn't leak! It marks it's territory. ------------------------------ From: "Applied Combat Sciences" Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 08:59:15 -0400 Subject: eskrima: STICKS IN NJ We are close to you J and have a great selection of "Authentic Filipino Rattan Fighting Sticks. We can have the sticks to you in 1 day. Check out our sticks on the Web at: www.appliedcombatsciences.com Also great deals of FMA Instructional Videos, going out of stock. ------------------------------ From: "Carlton H. Fung, D.D.S." Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 07:20:14 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #415 >From: tcsno >Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 15:43:12 -0400 >Subject: eskrima: Odds and Ends > >I was looking at some back issues of E-D and noticed a thread about ground >grappling and silat. >It was mentioned that Herman Suwanda had little trouble with a BJJ arm bar, >and a harimau guy had a friendly roll with Chris Poznik. > >I find my Mustika Kwitang teacher has little use for my attempts at mounts, >rear mounts, arm bars, and chokes. He can counter the ground stuff but >prefers to fight standing, using a knee(shin) compression like a knee on >chest. He also fights from a crab position, on all fours. Very exotic, but >very,very, effective. > >Does anyone have similar experiences with experienced silat men on the >ground?? Hey Tom, I was doing privates with Pak Herman and a friend of mine in my backyard. Granted my Groundfighting sucks (some BJJ, Gotch submission, shooto, paulson mixture etc.) Pak was able to quickly defeat everything my friend and I could do. He has the same slipperiness a seasoned groundfighter has and weaves in and out of you. We tried all sorts of stuff with him like leaving out the rikasan, isolating his tools taking away chokes etc...it did not matter. And we did not try to limit our moves like being respectful to our teacher or anything. We went for it. We feel really comfortable with Pak..drink a few beers with him at times etc... He does not use positions like mount guard etc. or calls them that but does use these transitionally. We worked groundfighting with him but he has no curriculim like BJJ. It is more like his other standup teaching...cool but difficult to put into realtime. ------------------------------ From: Kurokuwa@aol.com Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 10:12:19 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #416 Due to the recent response from FMA practitioners to the book SEVILLIAN STEEL: The Traditional Knife-Fighting Arts of Spain (see Ray's review in E-D #406), there will be a 4-hour seminar on Sunday, Oct 17, 1999, in New York City. The focus will be on the various weapons and knife systems of Southern Spain and how these compare and contrast with those of the Philippines (punal, daga, navaja, etc.) Time: 10:00am - 2:00pm Place: Raven Arts Institute of Sevillian Steel, 16 Waverly Place. Instructor: James Loriega Books and training guides will be available. For more information, contact: Raven_Arts.email.com or James at: Kurokuwa@aol.com Salamat and Gracias. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 07:27:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #417 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com in directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan Eskrima, and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.