From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #421 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Sat, 9 Oct 1999 Vol 06 : Num 421 In this issue: eskrima: Kids and Kali eskrima: On the idea of too many angles... eskrima: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #419 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #420 [none] eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #420 [none] eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #420 eskrima: Re: no angles eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan Eskrima, and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tcsno Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 16:03:46 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Kids and Kali I have two sons, one,...soon to be 8, and the other 4. I had visions of turning out the next Bruce Lee, but that lasted about one second. I think that not pushing my boys into formal classes will pay off. I just wrestle and play and let them hit the bag, swing the sticks, or kick the pads when they want to. Most commercial martial arts school are basically day care centers. Junior is dropped off by a mom in a SUV, wearing tights and a big t-shirt( she doesnt work out post kids and therefore does not lead by example, hence the bulky clothing) with a bag of fast food, and a cell phone in her ear. The kids have been picked up from one day care center and taken to "Bob's Dojo" to make Johnny into a ninja turtle or power ranger or Pokemon or whatever. Mom and Dad simply want their boy to be the toughest kid on the block because they remember being picked on in school. The instructor does not work with natural attributes, gross motor skills or what is likely to happen on the street. He lowers their guard to punch from the waist, raises their kicks to head level, and takes away natural movement from sports by stressing fighting stances. I think kids can ground grapple for fun and safe training, learn some locking and disarming, basic thai kicking and side kick to airshield, and the like. They can swing a stick for rotational power that can be applied to T-ball, without much effort. Another point,...just think if mommy forgets that Ritalin for Johnnie's,..hyperactivity, attention deficit disorder, learning impairment, or other recently created disorder. The child may get into a soccer argument, get mad, and sidekick some kid in the chest. Get your lawyer ready!!! Better that your sons moves, ducks or simply sweeps the kid into the grass, and runs to get the coach. Attached parenting probably means,....training your kids in your garage, and not giving them to someone else to raise. Just MHO,......Tom Furman tcsno@mciworld.com ------------------------------ From: "Cory Eicher" Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 16:49:07 CDT Subject: eskrima: On the idea of too many angles... When I was seriously competing in club wrestling (freestyle only, Roman-Greco was too upper-body focused for me) I got to practice at camps with some of the best Juniors wrestlers in the world. During all of this exposure, I noticed a common trend through all the best wrestlers. They used about six moves, total. In fact, unless they were wrestling someone who was as good as them or better, they usually only used three (one for up, one for top, one for bottom). I asked one of them about it and he said, "Yeah, I know about 500 things, but I only use three or four." ========================================= Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Sunny Graff <105605.2047@compuserve.com> Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 18:17:19 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #419 Does anyone know of any FMA long staff videos? Thanks, Sunny ------------------------------ From: "Carlton H. Fung, D.D.S." Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 20:02:56 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #420 How about this premise...if you close and cannot get more than 1 hit you did something wrong. You should have only entered if you can take command. "clean hit and get the hell out of there without getting hit" is meaningless because you can't take the guy out with one hit. 9/10 you will then have to pick your way back in and waste time recovering lost territory and you risk more hits to you as you close again. This applies to sparring etc... Regards, Carlton H. Fung, D.D.S. Redondo Beach, Ca. <<< <> Well Drew, Sorry I disagree. Remember in realestate "location location location"? You should not be in a dark alley. First and foremost one should control environment and awareness. Baring that, "distraction"/one hit is more likely to just piss off someone. Maybe you run fast...I don't. On the otherhand if you are sparring you now tip your hand and your opponant has one more data point with which to defeat you. Just an opinion anyway. Regards, Carlton H. Fung,D.D.S. Redondo Beach, Ca. ------------------------------ From: Luis Pellicer Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 11:03:05 +0800 Subject: [none] >What age would people consider right for introducing children into martial >arts (not neccessarily Filipino stuff), and more importantly what kind of >curriculum / equipment would you teach / use. > My daughter started watching me train at about a year old. At a year and a half she was trying to pick up and swing my bastons. Now that she's two, she has her own mini-baston which she takes around with her, and has her de-ocho down pretty good. This unfortunately keeps her nanny on edge as we have to make sure she doesn't whack some other kid on the head. One of her first straight phrases was "papa let's fight." At least I won't probably have to worry too much about date rape when she's a teenager. LSPIII ------------------------------ From: Taojen1@aol.com Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 23:16:42 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #420 In a message dated 10/8/99 10:30:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << The problem at hand is how to keep students from slipping into these mental assumptions that what I am teaching them has the same associations and implications as what they already know. The best answer I have come up with is to forget djurus for the moment and only focus on the dusars (elements) that make up the djurus. When I think they have those and begin to see beyond kata, I will return to teaching djurus. Anybody have a better idea? >> Marc, Thanks for an eloquent way of saying teach the principles not just the technique (assuming I'm understanding what your saying). Is this stuff on your vids? Buddy Tripp DGIA ------------------------------ From: Luis Pellicer Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 11:30:55 +0800 Subject: [none] >From: AnimalMac@aol.com >Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 12:53:36 EDT >Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #419 > >In a message dated 10/8/99 7:02:35 AM Mountain Daylight Time, >eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: > ><< I've been kind of out of it in terms of who is who in the digest. Are you > Marc MacYoung? >> > >I hope so, I'm wearing his underwear > Just picked up a couple of your books for the first time. I have to say that I can't remember the last time I've enjoyed reading a MA/fighting book as much as I did yours. Definitely "must haves" in a MA library. And I have no connection with your publicist either. I don't know about the underwear bit, there are alot of women out there wearing mine. (Before my marriage, before my marriage.) LSPIII ------------------------------ From: SReiter000@aol.com Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 00:58:39 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #420 << The problem at hand is how to keep students from slipping into these mental assumptions that what I am teaching them has the same associations and implications as what they already know. The best answer I have come up with is to forget djurus for the moment and only focus on the dusars (elements) that make up the djurus. When I think they have those and begin to see beyond kata, I will return to teaching djurus. Anybody have a better idea? >> hi animal - first off i see your point about taking away the fun tools of silat - and yes a agree and so does the "unnamed" instructor - i think he merely was tring to say just cause certain aspects of silat looks like grappling dont reply o or think of silat as a grappling art - it's true strenght lies in all the other goodies - then when your asslaiant is more compliant from being peppered - only then attempt a puter into various breaks/locks chokes ect. as far as keeping students interested - i can tell you from my experience i hate djurus - reminds my of my old tkd days - very boring - especially when the djurus or lankas are esoteric and i cant figure out ONE meaning let alone the hidden (multiple) ones - guro dan, teaches the djurus in drill form so he shows (one of) the meaning(s) of the djuru and we practice as a drill - countering a jab cross combo - or some other combo from the feeder - even when we are doing djurus well do one the take the practical application and work it ect, - i've trained with a few diff instructors - it's funny when i took seminars from Pendekar Paul De Thouras or his brother "Uncle" Bill (Willem) this is the way the semianrs were held - however once i checked out the actual class there was very little applicatoin and more consitration on djurus and lankas - which turned me off - so you might want to just do practical applications --just a thought steve ------------------------------ From: "Steven Drape" Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 03:25:31 PDT Subject: eskrima: Re: no angles > >why are there so many angles???? To many in my opinion. If you were to >learn > >even 60 angles wouldn't one get confused as to which angle to use. Too >many > >options in my opinion. No disrespect meant but in my experience the >simpler > >the better. I think twelve is more then enough. The system I study only >has > >five and I find that to be more then ample. It's like the old saying goes > >"The more complex the plumbing the easier it is to stop up the drain." >I'd > >like to ask the opinion of other members of the E-D. Please tell me your > >opinion on how many is to many or enough and why??? > > > > Your confused friend in training, > > Big Joe While we do have angle-based training in our basic get-used-to-holding-a-stick course (which is media-range), in our corto training there are no angles. At corto range, everything is a weapon and can come from absolutely any angle. In addition, a great deal of defensive movement is based on sensitivity/touch, not vision. You know he is making a particular strike because your hand is on his forearm, and you can feel the muscles bunch and the tendons flex, so you have to do something in response. This can mean using your stick to defend against that attack, but it is just as likely that the live hand that is touching his forearm will grab, push, pull or otherwise interfere with the attack, making a defense along whatever attacking angle irrelevent. Trying to categorize the variety of attacks becomes impossible. If anyone feels they have too many angles, you might consider trying one that doesn't have any! Steve ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 06:52:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #421 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com in directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan Eskrima, and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.