From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #430 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Thur, 14 Oct 1999 Vol 06 : Num 430 In this issue: eskrima: Seminar with Guru Jim Ingram eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #427 eskrima: Buff, NY Seminar Postponed eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #427 - KATA eskrima: Video Website eskrima: Six moves... eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #429 ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan Eskrima, and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kilap@aol.com Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 20:31:08 EDT Subject: eskrima: Seminar with Guru Jim Ingram October 16th and 17th, 1999 Don McKay's Dragonfire Martial Arts Academy 100 West Pearl St. Nashua, New Hampshire Call (603) 889-6181 for more information A rare opportunity to experience training with Guru Ingram. He's been traing for over sixty years! To avoid conflict and confusion his changed the name of what he teaches to Amerindo. A system that contains Pentjak Silat Mustika Kweetang, Tjimande (cimande), Pukulan Japara, Gulat (wrestling) and Vitimaen (Mollucan stick fighting) among others. He teaches with a definite emphasis on practical application and no non-sense self defense. To find out more please check out the website at http://www.angelfire.com/ri/Pukulan/index.html It's been given a facelift, had more content added and more is on the way. Regards, Travis ------------------------------ From: LeighanS@aol.com Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 21:50:55 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #427 from: leighans@aol.com nietzche applies to the physical as well...if you survive, hopefully you learned something....stupidity is the only unforgivable sin in nature...it is also self corrective ------------------------------ From: "tim hartman" Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 19:35:56 PDT Subject: eskrima: Buff, NY Seminar Postponed Greetings, Unfortunately, the Military Combat and Grappling seminar scheduled for October 16th, has been postponed due to a schedule conflict. For anyone who is interested in attending a future seminar, please contact me at the following addresses: Yours Truly, Punong-Guro Timothy J.Hartman E-mail wnyima@hotmail.com School site www.wmarnis.com/school/ Federation site www.wmarnis.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Jon Howard" Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 10:23:47 +0100 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #427 - KATA John Frankl wrote: > >As for kata, etc., I am not denying their value absolutely. I would merely >say that spending time on them that could be spent on other things might >be a poor allocation of resources. Boxers, Thai Boxers, wrestlers, >Brazilian jiu jitsu practitioners--what do they ghave in common? Two >things--no kata and the ability to fight. Do the math. > >John > IMHO... As a lot of people have already said - we all have our own reasons for training in the martial arts, we are all looking for something different from our training - you might want to be the toughest bada** mo-fo on the block, I might be looking for some form of recreational exercise, the next guy could be looking for spirtual enlightenment - who's to say who's right... It is my belief that kata (read kata to include all the releated linguistic variations) allow the practionier to experience the "heart and soul" of the art, to appreciate what the original masters of the art were trying to communicate (NOTE THE FOLLOWING COMMENT IS NOT MEANT IN A DEROGATORY FASHION) in their often "un-educated" or "illiterate" fashion. It is the difference between karate-do and karate-jutsu. Both are valid. Kata is the living embodiment of our art - they hold the encyclopedia of techniques, strategy, footwork, timing etc etc etc - all of which requires years of dedicated study to un-earth. Don't forget kata is not simply a single person endeavor, there are two (or more) people kata's. I would go so far as to include siniwali and hubud-lubard drills as variations of kata. I don't want to get into any discussion regarding the changes of kata for use by children, or removing the "dangerous" bits for the gaijin. As Patrick Davis said >There is a broader picture that people don't always see. It's something >about the time thing. Whatever the art, it has attributes which may not be >apparent. There are things which I saw when I was young that I threw out but >now I adopt and treasure. The way you perceive things changes as you learn >to see things from wider angles. This is one of the things that I hear from >the Inosanto tribe and I embrace it fully. Kata isn't a "now" time thing - which is why in this fast paced - "I want it now!" world it's probably been pushed to the back - but it'll eventually come back into fashion. Things always move in cycles (remember flares 8-)) Kata is a "life" time thing. It allows the practionier to take an "introspective" view. It connects the heart & mind, the physical & the mental aspects and turns what could otherwise be categorised as simple thuggery into a true art form. Good kata is a physical expression of shibumi... "Kata is like money in the bank - it will only grow with interest!" BTW - I once read an article in Taekwondo Times regarding forms, and I'll paraphrase it here. "Not all forms champions were also top fighting competitors, but (almost) all the fighting champions were top forms competitors" Sorry for rambling - I just wanted to add my $0.02 to this before it was put to bed. Respectfully... Jon... BTW - Animal, I have been reading all of your posts lately on this and the SDFW list. I just wanted to say that the standard is way way up there (as usual) - I really liked the comment about the amatuer and the master. PS. John - I've never studied Brazialian JJ only the Japanese version 8-) so I may be wrong here but... Don't the people studying BJJ learn the formal technique in "kata" form first... Don't (thai) boxers learn techniques and combo's in "kata" form - step by step... what is the ram muay (sp) if not a form of kata... ------------------------------ From: "Steven Lefebvre" Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 04:09:28 PDT Subject: eskrima: Video Website A short while back, someone had posted a site that had a variety of Kali/escrima/arnis video clips and information. Does anyone still have that link? thanks Steve ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "James Hudgens" Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 09:57:34 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Six moves... *** From: Ron Levy *** Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 08:52:17 -0700 (PDT) *** Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #427 *** > >My next question for the list members is if "expert" wrestlers only use a *** > >handful of tech. or moves why learn hundreds? Why not just practice six *** > >moves to perfection? *** As other people have said, what happens if you come up against someone *** who can counter your six moves? If that's all you have, the fight is over. The original point about six moves has SOME credence, but I feel it is more along the lines of "These are my favorite/pet moves and I can do them from almost any angle at any time" It does not mean I (or most other wrestlers) only know six moves, or only use six moves. Most wrestlers and experienced groundfighters know dozens of moves very well and a bunch more in passing, but being creatures of habit, we know what we like. Also, many moves are established from the same set-up position. I know 4-5 options from a front head&arm position alone that are wonderfully effective, and I have no doubt whatsoever that there are hundreds of guys out there who know 50 or sixty more than that. IMHO, I think the original "six move" observation MAY not have been done with the carefull eye toward variations. Or maybe he just did moves which ellicited the same response from those wrestlers. Hudge "Win if you can, lose if you must, but always cheat" - Jesse Ventura- - --- http://www.fortunecity.com/olympia/botham/192/index.html Get your FREE Email at http://mailcity.lycos.com Get your PERSONALIZED START PAGE at http://my.lycos.com ------------------------------ From: "Jon Howard" Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 15:08:37 +0100 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #429 > >I think your boxing will get a lot better if you slow down and work >carefully for form and quality. I look around the room at Fairtex >sometimes and think that people would do well do slow down and work a jab, >cross, hook, cross combination with the same care as a Pentjak guy works >djurus. I know that my Muay Thai and boxing got a lot better after I >started slowing down and really trying to understand the details of the >form & body mechanics. Very slow shadow boxing helped me to generate more >power and helped my structural speed due to the elimination of uneccessary >motion. > Has anybody ever actually tried to perform a basic roundhouse / turning kick VERY SLOWLY, by the numbers, step by step. Break the movement down and perform each step slowly and then move on the the next (without putting your foot down). I used to use this as a drill when I taught kickboxing to classes of wannabe Van-Dammes who all thought they were gods gift - It's kinda fun to watch all these macho guys freaking out, muscles shaking like there was no tomorrow, whinging that it hurt.... 8-) Another lesson in humility anyone... Jon... Now where did I put that TaiChi instructors phone number... ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #430 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com in directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan Eskrima, and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.