From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #434 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Fri, 15 Oct 1999 Vol 06 : Num 434 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #431 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #431 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #431 eskrima: Forms and Methods in CMA Re: eskrima: Inosanto book Re: eskrima: Computer Drill Program input eskrima: re: Inosanto's Book eskrima: Too many/not enough moves & Being Scouted - Commentary eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan Eskrima, and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AnimalMac@aol.com Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 11:49:52 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #431 In a message dated 10/15/99 2:40:53 AM Mountain Daylight Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Not everyone coming in the door has the immediate needs that Animal related. Many people, perhaps most, require a progression to build up to actual fighting-- this includes mental, emotional, psychological as well as physical. I remember observing a seminar once while standing to a former criminal of substantial serious violent felonial experience. It was the first time he had seen a martial arts seminar and was a bit surprised. "Oh!" he said, "These people are the victims!" >> Yep...thems the puppies I am used to playing with and saying "SIT! stay!" While I don't recommend everyone train for this level, I seriously recommend people realize this level exists and your current training isn't designed to handle it. It's kind of like fishing. Part of it is knowing when to cut the line because what is on the other end is a little too big and nasty. ------------------------------ From: AnimalMac@aol.com Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 11:51:21 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #431 In a message dated 10/15/99 2:40:53 AM Mountain Daylight Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << BTW - Animal, I have been reading all of your posts lately on this and the SDFW list. > What's this? Something new? >> Yep, hate, anger and discontent...my job here is done :D ------------------------------ From: AnimalMac@aol.com Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 12:00:54 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #431 In a message dated 10/15/99 2:40:53 AM Mountain Daylight Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << As for the Inosanto tribe the bigger the organization the bigger the problems and the more personalities. There are too many good people from there to mention. >> Yeah, and they have seriously helped mellow my attitude about JKD players. The thing was when I met Danny I, he was really mellow, polite and nice. As have been many of the other people I have met since. So it must have been a few of the more aggressive ones that I encountered...not unlikely since I was a serious piece of work myself back then. >There is a lot of fruit left on the martial arts trees to experiance. absolutely. The amazing thing is how often my path of learning has parralleled the evolution of JKD. ------------------------------ From: "Mikal Keenan" Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 11:22:04 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Forms and Methods in CMA > Actually learning to use the system before learning the forms, rather > than learning the forms and then trying to get a fighting style out of them, > seems to me to make a lot of sense. In almost 30 years of training, it has been my experience that in Chinese martial training, forms and methods drilling go hand in hand. The typical class that I participated in (Shaolin-based, eclectic ain't new, also included Ba Chi, Chin-Na, Shuai-Chiao, Ba Gua, Xing-I, Tai Chi, weapons) included up to 300 reps of a fighting (paired) form followed by high reps of various drills (some of the same stuff that you'd see in a Jun Fan or Lama class). It was usual that we'd repeat something like jab, check, rolling backfist 150 times right and left lead or continuously for some period of time before going on to another tech. Fighting forms were first learned as lengthy sequences, then broken up into short segments (quick exchanges, 6 moves maybe) that could be repeated without doing the entire form. Once that broken up form was learned it was possible to "break-in and break-out" of different segments of the paired fighting form as an action-reaction "thing" (e.g., do 1-6 10 times, do 7-12 10 times, etc., do the whole thing, etc.). Both Ba Gua and Tai Chi went straight into throwing and grappling ... not much concern for looks, but definitely a concern for the fluidity which suggests greater control of the body/strength. One of our best was a Filipino whose broadsword technique was IMHO the best in the house :-) On getting involved in JKD/FMA I found myself right at home ... many of the methods were almost identical to what I learned in formal CMA training (hey, it's all kung fu to me!). Most appreciated though was/is the compactness of the FMA training in particular. Kata. forms, sequences ... perhaps all inspired by the same types of intentions ... but the Northern style CMA stuff ... hombre, you needs a lotta room! Some forms in some systems seem to have lost contact with the system's fighting approach, e.g., watch their forms. watch them fight. If they're different something's wrong. What we practice in forms should translate directly into application, otherwise it's just exercise ... which might be OK, but I'd prefer more of a 1::1 correspondence btwn what I repeat in training and what I apply. Why waste time? BTW, the health concerns in our house were answered by "You do it 10,000 times, then you know long life!" :-) I'll never forget the one person who came in to learn Tai Chi ... when shown how the Tai Chi was used their answer was: "Oh no, I don't want to fight!" Just wanted to learn "the form" (yech). Wrong house bay-bee! Also, when guys were going to fight full contact Shih Fu would send them to one of his Thai buddies for extra preparation :-) The Chi Kung could give you a hernia! Be well, Mik ------------------------------ From: abass@iname.com Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 12:38:42 -0400 Subject: Re: eskrima: Inosanto book I don't know why it's still out of print. I'd planned to ask Guro Dan at a seminar earlier this month if I could create an electronic version of my copy for free distribution on the internet. The book would be in Adobe PDF format and would require you to have Adobe Reader installed to read it. I never got the feeling that "now is the appropriate time to ask" and basically didn't. Perhaps when he comes back next March. For now, there are some good selected scanned pages viewable at: http://www.geocities.com/athens/pantheon/5640. ashley ------------------------------ From: abass@iname.com Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 12:44:16 -0400 Subject: Re: eskrima: Computer Drill Program input As a beginner, I don't have access the myriad angles etc available in any FMA system. My current tack with this project will allow users to include their own images with, or instead of, mine. That way, the program's usefullnes will grow as the user grows in knowledge and availabilty of images without my having to constantly update the program. Whatever images you use, you can just click and drag them around to create your sequences. Thanks for the input. I've sent you the original interface -- it does not reflect the current tack mentioned above. ash > I have been playing with pictures and taking pictures for animated gifs, a > drill program would be wonderful to have but I would also like to see it > include all the 12 main releases for all 3 instances single stick, double > sticks, and empty hand against single stick releases. i would love to see > what you have done so far as well. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ All the busy little creatures Chasing out their destinies Living in their pools They soon forget about the sea... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~N.P.~~ ------------------------------ From: "Branwen Thomas" Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 14:29:08 -0230 Subject: eskrima: re: Inosanto's Book Regarding Guro Inosanto's book, it is out of print, and from what I understand Guro I. has reclaimed his rights to the book, and is "sitting" on it until he can get around to getting it re-published - hopefully along with anything else he's written. Knowing how the publishing industry works, there's possibly more to it than that, but I am not in the know...i'm just a poor little bookseller/martial artist who prays to the Literary Deity that it will be reprinted sooooon. I don't know if Guro Inosanto has copies to sell, or anything...I say we all send him letters/email/what have you and let him know we want his book(s)... :) jocelyne Roaring Girl * Purveyor Of Fine Books * Beater Of Bodhrans * Smiter Of The Wicked * * Owned By Angus, Most Elegant And Pleasing Of Cats * ------------------------------ From: David Fulton Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 14:57:08 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Too many/not enough moves & Being Scouted - Commentary The following is being forwarded for my teacher, at his request. Thanks, Dave Fulton ================Begin forwarded message=============== A practitioner may be an effective fighter despite having a limited number of set techniques, as long as he is very good at these techniques. Additional techniques may be added to the list, but only those techniques which may be impeccably executed will have value in fighting. An extensive array of poorly executed techniques will only confuse the fighter and render him even more vulnerable to his opponent's attacks. I advocate mastering the basic principles of footwork and power first, then gradually assimilating additional techniques. When a technique has been mastered such that it may be incorporated together with the other tools into a fluid attack, then the fighter is ready to use it in fighting. The fluidity and the use of counter to counter drilling to build instinctive use of the techniques is what I believe sets the Filipino and Indonesian arts apart from other arts. This mastery of technique and development of instinct enable a new level of fighting which promotes constant discovery and evolution. I, like Eric, practice things taught to me by Master Gaje, because the techniques that you learn are like a library which you can draw upon depending on the situation. However, it's only when your mind & body are free and empty, from lots of training and full contact fighting, that you can hope to deal with an opponent regardless of how many techniques each of you have. This is why I put so much emphasis on the basic principles of power and footwork, rather than set forms all of the time. Another aspect that I stress is that you avoid getting in a rut by always changing your workout and fighting as many people, with different styles and body types, as possible. You can learn something from each opponent. To quote a movie "combat is a highly fluid situation" and your body must constantly adapt. This is why Eric is so good and is a true master fighter. He has tested his art and adapted mentally and physically to all situations. I should know, I was on the receiving end of many of his great experiments. David Wink Full Contact Martial Arts Association. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 12:26:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #434 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com in directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan Eskrima, and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.