From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #440 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Thur, 21 Oct 1999 Vol 06 : Num 440 In this issue: eskrima: Hacky Sack eskrima: HACKY SACK eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #439 eskrima: A better man than I eskrima: Re: hacky-sack eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #437 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #439 eskrima: eskrima vest eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan Eskrima, and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Patrick Davies Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 15:16:50 +0100 Subject: eskrima: Hacky Sack I think it is more indonesian/Malaysian than filipino. It was practiced by malaysian students in a students hall that I used to attend. I presume its relavent for eye to foot co-ordination, flexibility, aerobic exercise. The mechanics would not be for kicking though IMO but I dare say there are exceptions pat From: SolAndes@aol.com Does anyone have any info on wether or not old time eskrimadors played hacky sack as part of their training? I can see some of the FMA kicks when the college students stand around kicking the ball and I know there's evidence that the game came from the PI. ------------------------------ From: "Bodnar, Stephen A" Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 10:34:09 -0400 Subject: eskrima: HACKY SACK IN REGARDS TO THE POST Does anyone have any info on whether or not old time eskrimadors played hacky sack as part of their training? I can see some of the FMA kicks when the college students stand around kicking the ball and I know there's evidence that the game came from the PI. Yes , They have a toy made from: METAL WASHERS AND FEATHERS RAPPED WITH ALUMINUM FOIL, AND SECURED WITH RUBBER BANDS. this device is bottom heavy and the use of the side and the bottom of the foot is used. I learned of the toy while in the P.I. but didn't quite capture the significance of its potential till later, while training with one of my Filipino students. ------------------------------ From: "Peter A. Kautz" Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 11:09:11 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #439 >Does anyone have any info on wether or not old time eskrimadors played hacky >sack as part of their training? I can see some of the FMA kicks when the >college students stand around kicking the ball and I know there's evidence >that the game came from the PI. Ken - I have an old anthropology book called "Folk Games of the PI" (or some such)which covers several variations of this game. Some of them the players play like hacky-sack, in others they kick the ball over a net, and in others there are goals at either end of the field. I'll look up some specifics (and the title and author) and get back to you on this. I do remember off hand that the ball was made of rattan strips. Yous see these at import shops all the time for people to put on their shelves. Interestingly, there are dozens of "combat games" like Sipa (stand inside a circle on the ground and force the other player out by kicking them) and Arnis(!) listed. Pete Kautz ------------------------------ From: "Marc Denny" Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 08:33:57 -0700 Subject: eskrima: A better man than I A Howl Etc: > From: Patrick Davies > Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 09:18:27 +0100 > Subject: eskrima: Dan Inosanto's Book > > Yes he told us that in a seminar around 92 I think! Not criticising as the > man has such a schedule to make the youngest fittest people to look to the > floor in shame but it would be a nightmare if he never got more stuff > documented. I imagine his obvious problem would be not offending some of his > sources by omitting them by accident or intention! I saw an interview of Eric Paulson in the UK's Martial Arts Illustrated in which he said that his fight preparation training does not compare to what Guro I. does as a matter of course all the time. I know that anytime I try to do half as much I become overtrained and have to back off. Here is PART of his training schedule: BJJ: 5 mornings a week and 3+ afternoons Yoga: 3 mornings a week Pilates: 2 mornings a week Weights: 2 afternoons a week Teach: 2 evenings a week for 5 hours Capoeira (!!!) : 2 evenings a week. Solo training: unmeasurable Then jump on an airplane on Friday afternoon, seminar, return to LA, repeat. There's more but I can't keep track of it all. As for the book, I too have been hearing about it for a while. He is working on it, but these things must follow their own internal sense of time and timing. Woof, Crafty ------------------------------ From: "Steven Drape" Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 09:09:47 PDT Subject: eskrima: Re: hacky-sack >Does anyone have any info on wether or not old time eskrimadors played >hacky >sack as part of their training? I can see some of the FMA kicks when the >college students stand around kicking the ball and I know there's evidence >that the game came from the PI. If you go to any school in the Philippines, you will see this game being played. It might be just free-style, or it might be back-and-forth over a net, like volley-ball. There are other variations as well. Some of the players are very impressive. The sport really develops agility and balance. It is easy to see the connection with the sikaran-type kicks, and is worth a look to those who say that sikaran has no power. Steve ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: AnimalMac@aol.com Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 12:21:03 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #437 In a message dated 10/19/99 7:20:05 AM Mountain Daylight Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << I said nothing about going out and picking on weak and innocent people! ( boy and they call me punchy ). The fact still remains that if you have never been there you simply don't know. >> Rocky, actually I'm sorry if I sounded like I was taking something out of context. I figured you wouldn't tell people to go out and do that. No offense or implications intended. However, I have met people whose ironey glands were removed and even if your words were dripping with the inflection of "this is really a stupid idea" they'd still take it and run. And worse, I have met instructors who encourage their students to go out and get a job bouncing or, as in the case of one severe a***hole to go out, get a puppy and then kill it. And yes, he and others I have met did encourage his students to go out and fights. So no offense intended ------------------------------ From: BENRBRAUN@aol.com Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 12:52:34 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #439 Ken wrote: Does anyone have any info on wether or not old time eskrimadors played hacky sack as part of their training? A: Yes they did. Are you familliar with the sipa kick? Well, another name for a hacky-sack is a sipa bag. It would be an almost unfathomable coincedence that basically every hacky-sack technique is seen in kali and silat low line kicks. ------------------------------ From: mmerilos@logistix.com Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 10:32:49 -0700 Subject: eskrima: eskrima vest Does anyone know where I can order a quality eskrima vest or top? I saw the ones at I&I Sport, but wasn't to thrilled. Any info would be appreciated. Thanks, Mike mmerilos@logistix.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 12:27:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #440 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com in directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan Eskrima, and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.