From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #443 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Sat, 23 Oct 1999 Vol 06 : Num 443 In this issue: eskrima: RE: Thailand Vollyball eskrima: Re: Draeger Book eskrima: Thai Foot Volleyball game [none] eskrima: Hackey Sacks/Footbags eskrima: Re: Thailand volley ball eskrima: Takraw/Footbag/HackySack eskrima: sipa or kick eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan Eskrima, and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 20:07:00 EDT Subject: eskrima: RE: Thailand Vollyball <> They play this in Korea as well. I've played a couple times with fellow Hapkido people, and they were a lot better than I. (They are a lot better than I at kicking as well.) You would also see people playing quick games of this all over the place. Just put up some kind of net, or even just a line representing a net, and have basic boundaries. I'm not sure official rules, but it was almost like volley ball, but no hands, just feet. The ball was allowed to bounce though, and we used a soccer ball rather than a volley ball. Yours in Training, Alain Burrese ------------------------------ From: Just This Guy Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 19:07:31 -0500 (CDT) Subject: eskrima: Re: Draeger Book Be warned-- don't get this book if you are looking for anything technical. It glosses over about 100 varieties of Silat, Kuntao and other similar arts but there aren't enough techniques to start off a whitebelt. The word djuru is not even mentioned in the book; it seems to look at the arts involved from a very 1970s perspective, as stated before. That said, as an introduction and from a cultural standpoint it's excellent. It seems more directed toward anthropologists than martial artists... ------------------------------ From: "Roan Kalani Grimm" Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 18:12:58 -0600 Subject: eskrima: Thai Foot Volleyball game I went to Thailand with the marines back in 1994, and we were barracked on a Thai base. While we were there, we were lucky enough to witness the Thai soldiers playing this game. It was unbelievable to watch these men play the game. The net is about 5-1/2 ft. high and these guys could spike the ball with a kick!! Some of our resident hacky-sack warriors went to go play with them, and they could not even come close. A note is that these Thai soldiers had incredible kicking abilities, so the game must really develop an incredible skill with the feet. Just FYI. Aloha, Kalani "We must remember that one man is much the same as another, and that he is best is he who is trained in the severest school." -- Thucydides ------------------------------ From: Luis Pellicer Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 08:26:57 +0800 Subject: [none] > > Hi, > > Does anyone have any info on whether or not old time eskrimadors played >hacky > sack as part of their training? I can see some of the FMA kicks when the > college students stand around kicking the ball and I know there's evidence > that the game came from the PI. > Over here we call it "SIPA". (kick) It's a childhood game that many pinoys play. LSPIII ------------------------------ From: Kel620@aol.com Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 20:57:39 EDT Subject: eskrima: Hackey Sacks/Footbags Here's a website on the sport: http://www.footbag.org ------------------------------ From: "Dave Murray" Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 18:07:42 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Re: Thailand volley ball > From: Bladewerks@aol.com > Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 17:10:47 EDT > Subject: eskrima: Thailand volley ball > > Interesting post about the hacky sack.It remeined me of a game I seen > briefly shown on CNN a few years ago in Thailand,It was the same rules as > volley ball but with the BIG differance of not being able to touch the ball > with your hands! Feet only! You should have seen the speed and acurracy of > these guys. The word "Flexibility" does not even partially describe them.It > was as if they were dislocated at the hips or something.Not for me but it was > VERY immpressive. > Is anyone familar with this sport? When I was in Pusan, Korea a few years ago the guys at the Korean Airlines played "foot" volley all up on the roof of the maintenance building at lunch time. They played with a net that was lower that for regular volley ball, and used a regular volley ball. In Thailand they use a wicker (rattan) ball that is tough on the bare foot. I brought one of the balls back to the U.S. with me but never learned to "enjoy" the beating that it gives my "I train with shoes on" feet. Peace, Dave Murray ------------------------------ From: Kalki Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 21:35:54 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Takraw/Footbag/HackySack OK, I won't say another word about it, but here's a good link... http://www.worldfootbag.com/catman/showgroup/extra ...and an excerpt... Takraw, developed in Southeast Asia, is one of the oldest known foot sports. Played much like footbag, the lively Buka Takraw ball provides fast-paced, non-stop kicking action. As an alternative to your favorite footbag, the Buka Takraw ball lends itself excellently to acrobatic freestyle moves, and lightning-quick circle play. ------------------------------ From: Nathan Defensor Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 05:17:57 -0500 Subject: eskrima: sipa or kick Add this to the hacky sack collection: ...in Bacolod City hacky sack for years has been locally referred to as "Kick". In Tagalog, the same game is known as "Sipa". There are several variations to this game. I played it as a kid with many types and models of the actual object used as a ball. The simplest one everyone makes is to take a .25 centavo coin and wrap it around lined pad paper, creating a tail for balance. Here is one variation: a circle is formed among a group of guys (girls played with different rules back in the 60's and 70's) and the "kick (paper and coin)" is passed around using feet only and a predetermined number is agreed upon as to how many kicks before passing the object to the next person a player chooses. Let's say number 3 is agreed as the number of hits. The starter kicks the object 3 times and the 3rd kick is a pass to anyone in the circle. Receiver must intercept the object with his feet and kick it also 3 times before passing the object to the next player. If object lands within one foot of the intended receiver and that player does not intercept, he becomes it ("Katchut"). It, then must feed the last player/passer the object and this player will kick the object 3times and the third or 4th or 5th kick will place the object anywhere and the "it" must try to catch the object or chase it no matter where it goes. Trees, water, walls, roof and just about anything is fair play. IT, must retrieve object. Miss the three hits and the object goes back to the circle for the next "it". Some eskrimadors have a theory that "Kick" or "sipa" are games in Filipino culture that prepares the child for "Sikaran" or gives the kids certain attributes so they can be better at "Sikaran". There are numerous games that support this theory. Another Filipino game in Bacolod City is the "pitiaw". A long and a short stick is used and played like baseball. Attributes developed from "pitiaw" could be agility, ability to catch a flying short stick, ability to hit the short stick with the long stick as it is pitched to you, ability to maneuver the long stick in a squatting/walking position. "Pitiaw" I think prepares the child for "espada y daga" drills. - -another game is the "kalo" where a can is pounded until flat and is used like playing marbles inside a big circle and you knock everyone's flat can out of the circle. This develops the child's accuracy using underhand motion to hit other objects. - -Other child games: "bota-bota(blindfold game develops sensitivity)", "tubiganay(group game develops space awareness)", "tiradoray (kids play and contests with slingshot"), "sulpotanay (kids play with ballpen/papaya stems and mung beans to hit each other simulating blowguns)", "eskrimahay (kids simulate swordfighting using sword shaped wood to knock each other off a made up bridge)", etc... Certain games I grew up with displayed warrior-like qualities which strongly supports this notion that the many arts of the Philippines were hidden in dances, games, and rituals which was passed on down thru several generations. I think the combination of "child games" along with the folk dances, one can see the portions of the Martial Art disguised inside a "game" and inside a "folk dance". Reminder to all that this was a clandestine "Art". Thanks, Nate Defensor www.wwa.com/~guronate Filipino Kali-Eskrima Acad. of Chgo. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 06:30:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #443 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com in directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan Eskrima, and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.