From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #445 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Sun, 24 Oct 1999 Vol 06 : Num 445 In this issue: eskrima: Hacky-sack etc. eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #444 eskrima: Re: Breaking Wind eskrima: Re: Power generation and understanding(No Wind) eskrima: Training schedule??? eskrima: takraw, sipa, atb. eskrima: Upcoming Seminar eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan Eskrima, and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Koblic Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 19:45:54 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Hacky-sack etc. >I'm not sure official rules, but it was almost like volley ball, but no hands, just feet. The ball was allowed to bounce though, and we used a soccer ball rather than a volley ball. > >Yours in Training, >Alain Burrese > Back in the old country (Czechoslovakia) there was a similar game played two-a-side over a tennis net with a soccer or volleyball. It was called "Nohejbal" ( a fine way to bastardize *two* languages!) Ball was allowed to bounce. Two passes allowed each side of the net. Scoring same as in volleyball. As we were totally peace-loving people I do not recall any martial connections... Mike Koblic, Quesnel ------------------------------ From: "Carlton H. Fung, D.D.S." Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 21:33:29 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #444 > A Howl etc: > > Doc F inquired: > > >> In the Hermosa clan we have a modality called "No Wind". > > >Marc, > >Don't you also believe that this no wind state is the beginning of > >understanding power generation? > > Interesting question. I confess I hadn't thought of this aspect, but my > first reaction is that someone in No Wind training who breaks wind has a > tendency to stink , , , snip... may well begin to understand and confront something within himself > that will begin to open the door to power even thought the training is, by > definition, devoid of power. > > Woof, No wind is different for you and me. Actually I have never used the term "no wind" but I like it. I had this idea of no wind but did not what to call it. It appears that most people's breaking wind is the first step to their idea of generation of power but I think it is actually the last. The first step is to generate power with no wind. It goes back to Animal's frail old man analogy regards, carl ------------------------------ From: Kaesa@aol.com Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 02:53:06 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Breaking Wind Hello, I watched the Prince Hammed fight the other night on HBO. George Foreman was commentating and was describing what Hammed's opponent was doing wrong. He said the guy (I forgot the opponents name) was trying to use too much power without having the technique. George's quote was something along the lines of, "You're born with power. What you have to do is spend your time shadowboxing so you'll have the technique." or something close to that. That got me wondering about forms, since they are shadow-boxing-like. Is that why forms are taught later in some systems? Is that why in the first Dog Brother series of vids. the forms are a few tapes after the power and footwork tapes? Thanks, Joe ------------------------------ From: Chad Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 00:00:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Re: Power generation and understanding(No Wind) Doc F inquired: > >> In the Hermosa clan we have a modality called "No Wind". > > >Marc, > >Don't you also believe that this no wind state is the beginning of > >understanding power generation? Marc replied: Seriously now, it is possible to do No > Wind > and still have poor power generation, but such a person will tend to > flow > poorly in combination. If he does the training against someone who > flows > well in combination he will tend to do poorly and in the search for > better > results may well begin to understand and confront something within > himself > that will begin to open the door to power even thought the training > is, by > definition, devoid of power. Chad says: I think that the "no wind" is part of the beginning to understanding power generation. Next step is to do the power generation. After you understand the actual power generation, you go back to the no wind and get a better understanding and new outlook. Of course Mr. Fung, what one man would or would not do, doesn't mean another man should or should not do. Chad Hawaii ===== "Draw me not without reason, sheath me not without honor" Chad Hawaii __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Chad Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 00:03:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Training schedule??? Are there no takers on the training schedule question posted a few posts back? BTW, hackey sack is starting to get on my nerves. No offense intended to anyone. Chad Hawaii ===== "Draw me not without reason, sheath me not without honor" Chad Hawaii __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: tenrec Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 17:41:07 +0100 Subject: eskrima: takraw, sipa, atb. Mr. Defensor and others wrote about sipa and takraw. Mr. Defensor's account (of sipa) is quite detailed and accurate. Additional information: "Sipa" (Luzon term) is played with a a small bean sack or that 25-centavo device (or sometimes they use a lead washer for a weight). For actual competition play, a woven rattan (wicker ball) is used. The SEA Games include "Sepak Takraw," the official ASEAN version of the game. I was able to speak with the head of their association around 10 years ago, and he was kind enough to explain that "Sepak Taraw" was a sport that combined the rules of the different countries' versions of "sipa," since all the SE Asian nations had their own particular version ("Sepak"=kick, "Takraw"=wicker ball) Sepak Takraw also uses a volleyball-like net. Trivia: back in the 1960's they featured 60-& 70-year-old sipa players on a show called "You Asked For It." I believe they were playing at the tennis courts of the Manila Hotel. They were pretty fast and accurate for old-timers. Q for Mr. Defensor: Is the children's games-martial arts training connection your own personal theory, or are you comments based on an actual study (academic or otherwise)? Can you please privately email me if you have time? Also is the stick whacking game you described also known as "siato/siako?" TIA Q for Mr. Kautz: Mr. Kautz wrote >I have an old anthropology book called "Folk Games of the PI" Could you please provide me with the bibliographic info on this book (author, date, publisher, LC call number etc.) or whatever you have...my friend has been trying to track this book down, I think...TIA tenrec tenrec@avcorner.com ------------------------------ From: Mike Casto Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 10:52:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Upcoming Seminar Asian Fighting Arts will be hosting a seminar with Willem "Uncle Bill" de Thouars and his wife, Aunt Joyce, on January 15 & 16, 2000 in Dayton, Ohio. Uncle Bill will, of course, be teaching elements of his Kun Tao Silat de Thouars system and Aunt Joyce will teach some of the Cimande Silat that she learned from her father, Carl Deerns. Anyone interested in Kun Tao Silat or in Cimande won't want to miss this. Come out and join the fun! ===== Mike Casto Lakan Isa / Guru Satu Asian Fighting Arts Filipino Kali / Indonesian Pentjak Silat 5099 Springboro Pike Phone: (937) 293-5520 Dayton, OH 45439 Asian Fighting Arts http://www.guild-hall.com/afa/ Martial Arts Seminar Listings http://www.guild-hall.com/seminars/ Martial Arts School Database http://www.guild-hall.com/schools __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 11:46:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #445 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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