From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #448 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Tues, 26 Oct 1999 Vol 06 : Num 448 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #447 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #447 eskrima: Pilipino Warrior Arts eskrima: my girly training schedule eskrima: Training eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #447 eskrima: Re: Rick Faye Video Series eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #447 eskrima: FMA: Don't leave home without it! eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan Eskrima, and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sikal@yahoo.com Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 09:45:17 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #447 Lee Drew wrote: << This question is unrelated to any particular thread going on at the present. My involvement in the FMA is principally for the knife and blades components of the arts. As such, I feel I can apply FMA (or any other style of edged weaponry) almost anywhere I choose to carry an edged weapon. For those of you whose focus in mainly stick-based, what do you carry to apply FMA at ALL times? Certainly not the sticks -- not ALWAYS(e.g., weddings? job interviews? PTA meetings?) I can already sense the wiscracks forming. But apart from ASPs, and of course the mano-a-mano component, how do you keep your art available at ALL times? My question is purely academic, and not intended to imply that knives are in any way superior to sticks because of their portability. Thanks. >> Well, I do train in FMA blade and carry a blade. However, it wouldn't be my first choice in most fights. Usually I have a plethora of other weapons available that I can get to quicker than my knife. I'm referring to impromptu/environmental weapons. This is one of the things that I feel kind of sets FMA (and Indonesia MA) apart from a lot of other arts ... or more specifically the way a lot of other arts get taught. The FMA/IMA tend to focus more on concepts than on techniques. Consequently, while I train with a stick, knife, or empty hands, I can readily adapt to any hand-held weapon (i.e.: anything I can get my grimy little hands on). This way, no matter where I am, I've got weapons available. I make a habit of looking around for what weapons are available at any given time. And, if no one's around, I'll even start grabbing things and playing with possibilities. Just my 2 cents :-) Mike ------------------------------ From: SReiter000@aol.com Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 11:36:56 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #447 In a message dated 10/26/99 6:19:04 AM Pacific Daylight Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << For those of you whose focus in mainly stick-based, what do you carry to apply FMA at ALL times? Certainly not the sticks -- not ALWAYS(e.g., weddings? job interviews? PTA meetings?) >> if you are so inclined - you can always carry a cane - i have rattan and cumagong - i've walked on planes and into court rooms without so much as a second glance - imagine if they outlawed canes - tons of geriatrics falling down all over breaking their hips -- what a site -- steve reiter ------------------------------ From: KaliDave@aol.com Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 12:04:07 EDT Subject: eskrima: Pilipino Warrior Arts Lee, Hello there I hope that things are well. You wrote: >>> "This question is unrelated to any particular thread going on at the present. My involvement in the FMA is principally for the knife and blades components of the arts. As such, I feel I can apply FMA (or any other style of edged weaponry) almost anywhere I choose to carry an edged weapon. For those of you whose focus in mainly stick-based, what do you carry to apply FMA at ALL times? Certainly not the sticks -- not ALWAYS(e.g., weddings? job interviews? PTA meetings?) I can already sense the wiscracks forming. But apart from ASPs, and of course the mano-a-mano component, how do you keep your art available at ALL times? My question is purely academic, and not intended to imply that knives are in any way superior to sticks because of their portability. Thanks." <<< To answer your question, I like yourself favor the knife over the other traditional weapon combinations taught within pilipino warrior arts. And like you I always carry a knife on my person when I can. However I train to be effective with all of the weapon combinations taught within my system and beyond because there are many variables that go into using a knife to defend yourself against an unarmed assailant and the ability to carry a knife for self-defense here in the United States and many countries abroad which I travel to. My first point is this, I travel to many countries around the world conducting Lameco Eskrima seminars and training various branches of U.S. and foreign military. The laws are really stringent dealing with carrying deadly weapons ( knives included) in specific countries. within the UK for example if you get searched on the street and you have anything that even resembles a weapon you had better be ready to do some explaining. In S. Korea I had to have elements of both U.S. Special Forces and R.O.K. Special forces there to escort me through airport customs so that I could get specific weapons (knives, sticks, etc...) in country just to be able to train their military detachments there. In China, Sweden, Mexico and even now in the Philippines there are laws against carrying knives for self protection. In the philippines now you can only carry a bolo, pinuti, or baraw in the provinces for your work. In the bigger cities you can`t get away with it anymore, it`s true that you may not get caught but if you do you will have quite a bad situation on your hands. So the point that i`m making is that due to your ability to carry a knife with you, you may or may not have access to one. If you have one than your ass will be covered but if you`re in an area where you may not have access to a blade you had better have a contingency plan at the ready. As for what a stick fighter will have on him in the time of need let`s look at this more closely. As I see it The pilipino warrior arts break down into 4 basic weapon compartments: 1)- Eskrima (stick, double stick, long stick, pocket stick, etc...). 2)- Baraw (knife, double knife, finger knife, etc...). 3)- Itak (machete, sword, sword and knife). 4)- buto-buto (punching, kicking, knees, elbows, head butting, ground fighting, etc...). If you find yourself in a bad situation and all that you have is your environment to rely on than with the proper understanding of what the pilipino warrior arts can offer, you will be able to improvise with whatever you can find and put the situation down quickly. Since a stick is an impact weapon you can pick up anything blunt wether it be long, short, skinny, fat, light, heavy, comfortable or awkward and still be able to defend yourself with it totally because you understand the nature of the weapon. I can pick up a rock, coke bottle, brick, small piece of wood, tire tool, half of my steering wheel CLUB, two by four, piece of a board lying on the ground, baseball bat, walking cane, walking stick, a plastic toy, cue ball, poolstick, pool rack, etc... and use it according to its natural range of motion utilizing stick technique and be just as effective as if I had a piece of rattan. Stick is only one way to translate the pilipino warrior arts. If you truly understand pilipino warrior arts than you know that it`s not the weapon but the knowledge of movement behind the weapon that you are trying to learn and incorporate into defending yourself. Pilipino warrior arts are`nt just about fighting with sticks or knives they`re about fighting with whatever the thing is that you can fit into your hand at the time of need, even to the point of having nothing at all and then you would translate your knowledge bone to bone. I was taught to always observe my environment for possible escape routes to the weapon potential of things lying around on the ground. If it`s hard and solid it becomes an impact weapon, if it has a sharp point on it it becomes a thrusting weapon, if it has an edge on it it`s for slashing and becomes an edged weapon, etc... If you can seperate what you find on the ground from its resting place it becomes a weapon... Again let me say that I always carry a knife on my person whenever possible, but in the event that I don`t have access to a blade for whatever reason I rely on the art of Kali translated through improvised weapons to get my but out of a bad situation. This is just something for you to think about, I hope that you get something positive from it. Take care and no worries... Lameco Eskrima Orehenal, KaliDave@aol.com Guro Dave Gould. ------------------------------ From: "Branwen Thomas" Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 14:31:14 -0230 Subject: eskrima: my girly training schedule Hi kids:) I don't know if I'm keen enough, since I was never involved in any sports/fitness training prior to taking up JKD/FMA. I work 'til 5:30 pm every day, with half day off on Sundays (the joys of self employment), and I am *not* a morning person, so there are NO jumping jacks, weightlifting, 10k runs, benchpressing of elephants or anything else in the a.m. I *do* practice flexing my bicep while lifting coffee to my mouth;) My actual training is as follows Mon., Wed. Thurs: 6pm to 9:30 pm - Training in blend system JFGF/FMA, with elements of Muay Thai, grappling etc. This also includes warm-up/cardio rounds, conditioning, stretching/flexibility training. The first 1hr 1/2 is my training; the second is the class I teach; I do rounds & stretching with the students, but only demonstrate drills and supervise (unless odd # of students in which case I take turns partnering up with the odd one out) Saturday: 6pm to 7:30/8pm Mixed level class - seniors and superkeen juniors - - same format, but since the class is smaller we can focus on specific areas that people want to work on ie form/technique, speed, cardio/endurance etc. Sunday if I'm up to it (less so as XMAS approaches) I'll hook up with one of the other seniors and we'll go to the club and work on whatever, for however long. (vague enough for ya?:) I don't lift weights - I don't really know how and have never been interested, although lately I've been getting a couple of the guys to show me curls and things so I can have deadly kewl ripped biceps...I also like to practice my reflexes on the cats - tap at their paws and then try to get my hand away before it is shredded. oh and I lug books around all day. ;)jocelyne Roaring Girl * Purveyor Of Fine Books * Beater Of Bodhrans * Smiter Of The Wicked * * Owned By Angus, Most Elegant And Pleasing Of Cats * ------------------------------ From: Bladewerks@aol.com Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 14:49:34 EDT Subject: eskrima: Training Mon----Sometime during the day as schedual permits: Louies Simmons style strength training at gym,Speed bench workout or Max Effort. For those not familar with Louies' system go to StrengthOnline for a good introduction. At 53 yrs of age the man is awesome!! Squats over 800,Benchs over 500, Deadlifts over 700. Sure, he is not a Martial Artist but just absorb what is usefull. Tue. Martial arts training> Teaching a few students on this day, not very demanding but enough to keep me in "Tune" to being able to teach. Afterwards:Solo training on heavy bag or wooden dummy or doulbe sticks,ratan ring, shadow boxing kinda thing,ect.Also do alot of grip strength on this day. Wed. A Louie Simmons Squat program.Speed or Max effort day,it depends on cycle. Thur. Same as Tue. Maybe do some Stick fighting if all previous wounds are healed up. Fri.Solo on Double stick and some form of Carenza with variations,stick and knife,knife,empty hands,double sticks, staff,----go to gym do Back and Biceps. Sometimes on Sat. Find a seminar to go to. Train with friends,go hiking,walking, sometimes I have to work.Sometimes more Double stick with variations in Carenza, as this is my most common solo training because of it's pay-off.In other words I feel I kill the most birds with one stone in Carenza.If I had more training partners I would do more fighting with them or some form of drilling,but unfortunatly I dont so Carenza is the number 1 thing I end up doing.I simply try to "create" my training partners,if that makes sence. Sunday--usally nothing--watch a race or football game on TV Of cource this program changes often except for the strength training.which stays fairly constant.I have been able to get my squat to 600 using Louies system.I feel that the squat is the "Foundation" for all my strength. I dont worry too much about the bench.My Deadlift is around 500----550. I dont do Bodybuilding programs.This is where most Martial artist make a big mistake.Train for GO not SHOW!!!! Get your weight training programs from Powerlifting not Bodybuilding.Sure there is some good stuff in Bodybuilding but dont focus on that,it will lead you astray. Rresently a good Jujitsu groundfighting school opened up in town and I have been trying to work in at least one class per week.It is great aerobic capasity work.Not to mention the other benifits. As far as diet goes. Common sense.Stay away from too much fat,get lots of protein,and clean carbs from a good source. Barry ------------------------------ From: Chad Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 12:00:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #447 > This question is unrelated to any particular thread going on at the > present. > My involvement in the FMA is principally for the knife and blades > components of the arts. As such, I feel I can apply FMA (or any > other style > of edged weaponry) almost anywhere I choose to carry an edged weapon. > For > those of you whose focus in mainly stick-based, what do you carry to > apply > FMA at ALL times? Certainly not the sticks -- not ALWAYS(e.g., > weddings? > job interviews? PTA meetings?) I can already sense the wiscracks > forming. > But apart from ASPs, and of course the mano-a-mano component, how do > you > keep your art available at ALL times? My question is purely > academic, and > not intended to imply that knives are in any way superior to sticks > because > of their portability. Thanks. Not much to say, except that if you do real stickfighting, you learn this whole different aspect of distance and timing that does relate to empty hand. Believe me, you have to have someone really good with a stick really try to take your head off to understand this. No amount of teaching or drills will duplicate the swoosh of a big fat rattan stick swinging by you head or your knee that you just barely got out of the way. The ASP baton is also my choice of weapon for the street. Of course sometimes I also carry around a wooden dagger, and I always have at least two knifes on me. BTW, it's one, one, or the other, not all at the same time. Sure would be nice to walk around with my kris though. ===== "Draw me not without reason, sheath me not without honor" Chad Hawaii __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Just This Guy Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 14:56:47 -0500 (CDT) Subject: eskrima: Re: Rick Faye Video Series I haven't seen this series but I can tell you that Rick Faye is one of the best instructors of martial arts I have seen. He teaches with a constant intensity as if he has many things to say and not enough time in the world and his classes are always fresh... he's the only contact I have had with the inosanto camp but if he's any indication of the rest of them, Dan must be some instructor indeed. ------------------------------ From: "McTarsney, Jill" Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 14:39:13 -0600 Subject: eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #447 Hi all, For Patrick Davies, I was wondering what "creatine" is? never heard of it and have some people interested in weight gain - if it is ever used for that ? thanks a bunch! Jill Torrance, Ca. ------------------------------ From: "Marc Denny" Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 13:54:28 -0700 Subject: eskrima: FMA: Don't leave home without it! A Howl etc: Lee wrote: > My involvement in the FMA is principally for the knife and blades > components of the arts. As such, I feel I can apply FMA (or any other style > of edged weaponry) almost anywhere I choose to carry an edged weapon. For > those of you whose focus in mainly stick-based, what do you carry to apply > FMA at ALL times? Certainly not the sticks -- not ALWAYS(e.g., weddings? > job interviews? PTA meetings?) I can already sense the wiscracks forming. > But apart from ASPs, and of course the mano-a-mano component, how do you > keep your art available at ALL times? My question is purely academic, and > not intended to imply that knives are in any way superior to sticks because > of their portability. Thanks. Some quick thoughts: Anyone with a knife, even a stickfighter, is dangerous with a knife and even a stickfighter can carry a knife. And besides, I ALWAYS carry two sticks-- they're called my forearms. Also, something to consider is that you may be able to apply knife ANYWHERE, but not ANY TIME-- there are a wide range of circumstances where using a knife would be disproportionate. Woof, Crafty Dog ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 15:14:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #448 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com in directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan Eskrima, and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.