From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #452 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Wed, 27 Oct 1999 Vol 06 : Num 452 In this issue: eskrima: wekaf sw regionals eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #451 eskrima: Workout routine/diet eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #451 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #451 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #450 eskrima: Finding students or students finding you eskrima: Re: ranking eskrima: Re:Jocelyne's request and some assorted rambling eskrima: Workout eskrima: Re: Creatine post eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan Eskrima, and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: steve wolk Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 16:15:56 -0600 Subject: eskrima: wekaf sw regionals A reminder that the WEKAF southwest regional tournament will be held Nov.13th at Casey Middle School, 2410 13th St., Boulder, Colorado, 9am-4pm. All styles of Filipino Martial Arts are welcome to participate. Competition will include forms and WEKAF style sparring. Placing first or second in any division will qualify a competitor to compete in the National Championships (Feb 19th, San Francisco). For more information, contact Steve Wolk (303)439-7471/swolk@mho.com or Tim Wolchek (303)443-3088. Steve Wolk ------------------------------ From: Gints Klimanis Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 15:34:06 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #451 eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com wrote: > From: Ray Terry > Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 12:59:39 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: Re: eskrima: Re: carrying knives/weapons > > > 2 7/8" blade with nasty-looking serrations. In the computer biz, I really > > can't clip the blade to my pocket. > > Why not??? Do you work in a clean-room? No. My oversocialized peers, especially women, really consider martial arts training and weaponry to be expressions of savagery. To me, life is not worth living without martial arts training. Now that you make me think about it, I'll disguise my clip to look like a pager clip. Thanks !!!! ------------------------------ From: Sidney525@aol.com Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 19:18:38 EDT Subject: eskrima: Workout routine/diet My workout consists of the following- 2-3 times a week martial arts class 2 times a week weights, 3 sets of 12 reps. on both the upper and lower body, various exercises, bench, curls etc. 3 times a week Aerobic/anaerobic stuff- usually rounds in the air, vs. heavy bag, weapons etc. for about 30-45 mins. I have only really been lifting for the past several months, and while I have seen muscle gain, I am not seeing not my fat content decrease. In general, I eat pretty healthy, lean meat, some starches, and fruit and vegs.. I am not really in favor of being on any diet I can not continue for the rest of my life. I have heard mixed things about the zone diet. Any suggestions for how to burn more fat off of me. I have been trying to increase my aerobic time. Thanks Sid "Vicious" Stein FKEAC ------------------------------ From: tweeder199@aol.com Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 19:23:49 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #451 << This type of training will take you farther than three pound weights and TAE BO >> haha, Tae Bo.... sorry, what you said was very informative, but i had to laugh at the tae bo comment. ingats ------------------------------ From: tweeder199@aol.com Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 19:26:00 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #451 For anyone that has not heard this before, light weight training should be done as follows (recommended) light weights/HIGH repitition. this will in time give you definition like bruce lee if it is mass you want, not superior strength, but MASS, go with heavy weights, low repitition. this is really counterintuitive because all martial artists want to be tiny and strong. just my two cents! later! ------------------------------ From: Chad Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 16:40:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #450 1. "Draw me not without reason, sheath me not without honor." The reason I use this is that my understanding is that there is a very very thin fine line between a warrior and a fool. It doesn't matter to me how ironic the original guy that had this inscription, I took somthing from the past and use it for myself with my own meaning and use it today. 2. If the 3 pound weights work for you, use it. Keep your mind open to find things that work. When it stops working continue to grow and change. "What one man(or woman) would or would not do, doesn't mean another should or should not do." ===== "Draw me not without reason, sheath me not without honor" Chad Hawaii __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Bladewerks@aol.com Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 19:36:55 EDT Subject: eskrima: Finding students or students finding you In a message dated 10/27/99 6:13:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << http://www.diac.com/~dgordon >> This should be an interesting thread I hope will get a few submissions. Does anyone out there run into the same problems that I do when it comes to finding serious students? It seems that good students are hard to find these days.I know for a fact that I am not the only Hybrid type instructor that has this prob. I know guys in southern Cal that have Credentials that are amazing yet even they seem to have a hard time keeping serious stusents,by serious i mean those who show up and keep a good attitude,ones who take to the type of training you are imparting.I see so many go down the street to the Local TKD school.Not that there is anything wrong with TKD......:) but hey its somewhat discouraging that even after you explain why "we dont wear gi's here"......and the whole non-tradictional concepts thing they seem to more often than not opt for the Gi's and bowing and strutured belt system.Dont mean to lament hear but can I get some feed back from everyone out there? What approach do you use? Business cards? Flyers? What kind of "structure" do you use. Does everyone here on E--D have an easy time finding students that will stick with them? Id love some feed back. Barry ------------------------------ From: Chad Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 16:57:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Re: ranking Jocelyne(Roaring Girl * purveyor of fine books * beater of bodhrans(?) * etc., etc.) makes a good point. Simply put, respect your elders (no matter how good you get) and learn from them, and be nice to your juniors(they may someday be better than you) and help them, and this is good enough. What a wise woman. Ranking is somthing that you must know in your heart, not on a piece of paper or color of belt. Sure their are reasons for these things, but it is more so that people do not go out claiming false roots in a comercialized world. If you are ready to move up in your training, you will know. Your classmates will know, and your instructor will know. But, like I said, you will know, and that is what is important. Your heart and mind are your true ranks. It is a belt and certification that no one can take and only you will know if it is true or not. Best of wishes in your training, Jill and, of course, Jocelyne. ===== "Draw me not without reason, sheath me not without honor" Chad Hawaii __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: BENRBRAUN@aol.com Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 20:28:32 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re:Jocelyne's request and some assorted rambling Jocelyne requested information on other peoples level systems and to her I reply that in the school I attend there are a few gurus and many more students. As far as ranking there is none other than that. All of the students KNOW who is better than who just from moving around with each other and that's is all there is to it. I incidentally think that's the way it should be. I train not to obtain a certificate or a belt or a trophy; I train to become a better fighter. There have been several times that a new student will start training at my school boasting of the years they spent acquiring a black belt in some other art (no names; I wish to not offend) only to find that they have no idea how to actually fight. I'm a skinny guy, about 137lbs, and I have personally humbled larger black belts with only 3 years of pencak-silat and kali training to back me up. This is more a testament to the arts than to my skill. I wonder how many countless hours these black belts have spent punching and kicking a heavy bag or lifting weights. I personally think its a waste of time. How many of you out there have ever heard of Southeast Asian warriors skipping rope or working with focus mitts or working with a heavy bag to make themselves REALLY deadly. I would be much more afraid of some 120 lb 70 year old Javanese silat practitioner with a knife than Billy Blades with a knife. To be sure Billy spends a lot more time lifting weights, using creatine and other supplements, punching and kicking things that don't move and working out at the gym, but how long do you think he'd last against that 70 year old Javanese guy. For those that want belts, go for it! For those that want huge bodies with muscles popping out everywhere go for it. For those that want to get their hearts in shape, swim a few laps. For those that want to learn how to fight, belts and size mean nothing. Skill is everything. Just because you have a black belt or can do a snappy, award winning kata doesn't mean that you can fight. Why pursue a belt when you should pursue actual fighting skills. As to the discussion about carrying weapons: I often carry a 4 inch Cold Steel Voyager. Although I must admit that in the shadier parts of the city I feel safer with that extra weight in my pocket, the reality is that I will probably be attacked before I am able to draw the knife and must therefore rely on my footwork and empty-handed skills to deal with the initial attack. Let's face it; thieves and the like don't want to be cut to ribbons if they can help it. If a thief pulls a knife on me and I respond by pulling a knife on him, throw in a little sinwalli for show, then give a good decoy posture chances are he'll go on to rob some easier prey. If the thief goes for the straight out no-warning attack there is no choice but to use empty-hands. Of course in situations of this sort blade reversals and disarms come in handy. Of course by now I'm preaching to the choir. ------------------------------ From: "BILL MCGRATH" Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 19:40:44 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Workout Excerpt from the Fall 99 issue of the PTI newsletter. "In my early 20's I spent a summer with nothing to do but train for a tournament. My routine was to lift weights Mon, Weds, and Fri (old fashioned workout-3 sets of 10 reps for far too many exercises, hitting every body part from several angles). I did ab work as a warm up for the weight training. I ran 6 days a week and hit the heavy bag on the days a didn't lift. I tried to get in at least two days of full contact sparring a week. While I had great endurance, I began the program with 13" arms and ended it with 13" arms and made very little progress in the weight I lifted. In my early 30's I had more demands on my time. My only cardio consisted of 1/2 hour of calisthenics with my Pekiti-Tirsia class twice a week. While I still did weight lifting three days a week my routine changed to working a body part just once a week, (Mon. Chest and Triceps, Weds. Legs, Fri. Back, Delts and Biceps). I would hammer each bodypart with with pyramid sets (set of 10 light, 8 medium, 6 heavy, then 1 or 2 sets of 4 to 6 very heavy). I did my ab work after the weight workout. This workout pushed my arms from 13" to over 16". The weight I had a hard time lifting at 20, I now used in my warm up sets. Now at 38, I have added more recovery time between workouts. Less injury down-time equals more progress. I am just lifting for legs on Mon and upper body on Fri with a heavy push-pull routine. A push-pull routine consists of a pushing movement (like benchpress) super setted with a pulling movement (like lat pull downs). *I don't use a push-pull for legs since both squats and the stiff legged deadlifts I do work the lower back. My warm-up sets are with light weights using a full range of motion, but my working sets(3x5), since they are heavy, use only the strongest range of motion for joint safety. Wed is bagging or hitting the tires and arm endurance work,(I would like to run Tues and Thurs, but running will have to wait for a knee injury to heal). My ab work is done separately before lunch once or twice a week. Most weekends are spent working on techniques with students at seminars and I teach a private class to a small group on Thursdays". Regards, Tuhon Bill McGrath ------------------------------ From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 21:48:14 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Creatine post Jill, A couple things about creatine. One, I'm not aware of studies on women. Most of the studies I have seen have been on football players and bodybuilders. So, I don't know of much information on how it works for women. Also, there are some who think that there may be some long term negative effects that are just not showing up yet. With as much cardio training that you are doing, it will be harder to put on muscle. And I don't really know if creatine will help with recovery for your cardio or martial art training. Where is seems to help is a person's recovery between heavy sets, so you can lift more and thus gain strength, power, size. But a key here is lifting heavy. If you are not lifing heavy regularly, it probably is not worth it. (it can get expensive) And if you are not looking to be a national competitor, or other similar reason, you may not need to spend money on it. A sound program supplemented with a meal replacement drink or protein drink maybe all you need. I suggest these drinks, because it is hard to eat 5 to 6 small nutritious meals every day. And one thing that is pretty much agreed upon is that if you want to put on muscle, you need to eat enough protein. (how much is enough is sometimes debated, but a common figure is a gram for every 2.2 pounds to one gram for every pound of body wieght. Again, it really depends on what you are training for. I really believe in periodizing your training. That is, train in cycles. You may want to train for a month with lower weight and higher reps for the entire body three times a week, and do other aerobic training to lose some fat. Then, you could cut back on some of the aerobic exercise and start lifting heaver, either a power phase or increasing size phase to put on some muscle. And as the year goes by, you change cycles. As for your friend who wants to gain weight. She will probably have to really eat a lot more, and lift heavy. That's how you will gain muscle mass, and that's the only weight you really want to put on. This can be very hard for some people. Even though most of the public is worried about losing pounds (as they should be, just saw an article this week about how obese America is) there are some people that have just the opposite problem. And sometimes, even if they eat like no tomorrow and spend hours in the gym, they still don't put on a lot. Genetics does have some to do with it. key is to make the best of what you have. It's really hard to give you too many specifics without sitting down and anyalizing diet, training, body type, etc. Hope this help some, time for me to get back to my studying, Alain ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 20:10:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #452 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com in directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan Eskrima, and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.