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Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest         Thur, 28 Oct 1999         Vol 06 : Num 453

In this issue:

     eskrima: Hand Carry
     eskrima: Knife Carry in Computer Biz
     eskrima: Boodry, PFS in Idaho
     eskrima: Wonder if the knife was legal?
     eskrima: Deadly Tae Bo
     eskrima: Re: Playmates
     Re: eskrima: Terry Tippie Insane Training!
     eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #452
     eskrima: Keeping students
     eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #452
     eskrima: eskrima con aikido
     eskrima: Re:Jocelyne's request and some assorted rambling
     eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #452
     eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #452
     eskrima: good shape
     eskrima: 3 pound weights again
     eskrima: Stockton
     Re: eskrima: eskrima con aikido
     eskrima: .
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From: tcsno <tcsno@mciworld.com>
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 23:11:26 -0400
Subject: eskrima: Hand Carry

There is a link on Blaise Loong to his weapons maker. He carry this mini
kerambit, something like a cockspur. This could easily be used to open FedEx
packages or letters. It just extends a bit from the palm of the hand. It
lends new meaning to boxing technology. Nice to carry(haven't got one yet)
and lends well to cadena de mano or panantukan. Blaise uses this for his
silat format, and his fist load boxing he delved from Greek/Roman sources.
www.blayshalla.com

Tom Furman  tcsno@mciworld.com




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From: sikal@yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 23:42:57 -0400
Subject: eskrima: Knife Carry in Computer Biz

<< In the computer biz, I really can't clip the blade to my pocket.  I have to trade accessibility for concealment. >>

I don't understand this either. I work in the computer biz too. I carry my Endura clipped right on my waist (standard appendix carry) all the time at work. Most people think it's a really thin beeper (I swear, I've heard that comment made several times). I've never had anyone ask about it and it's not a big deal. Now, if you work somewhere that has metal detectors (i.e.: a government building or something) then I could see it being a problem ... otherwise, I wouldn't imagine you having much of a problem.

Mike

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From: Jeff Cook <cookie@shore.intercom.net>
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 10:38:19 -0400
Subject: eskrima: Boodry, PFS in Idaho

Hi,

Does anyone have an e-mail address or any other info for a JKD/PFS 
instructor in Pocatello, Idaho with the last name "Boodry"?

Thanks,

Jeff 


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From: "Marc Denny" <craftydog@dogbrothers.com>
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 21:30:52 -0700
Subject: eskrima: Wonder if the knife was legal?

A Howl etc:

Someone inquired about the Sacramento murder case wherein the defendant
claimed to be an eskrimador.  Here with an article about it.


- --------------------------------------

Martial-arts case brings
in guilty verdict


<Picture>According to police reports, Wittmayer, a heroin addict, was
selling cigarettes on the street trying to get money for drugs Dec. 21.
When Haro approached, Wittmayer made his cigarette sales pitch and the two
argued. Wittmayer left and returned with a friend. Walking past Haro,
Wittmayer abruptly veered toward him, looked him in the eye and asked,
"How's it going?", an act that Haro interpreted from his time spent in
prison as a show of disrespect, prosecutors said. 

Haro pulled out a 12-inch butcher knife and stabbed Wittmayer five times in
the chest and back. When he was later arrested, Haro told detectives he was
trained in Escrima, a Filipino martial art, and knew how to inflict optimal
amounts of pain. Escrima is a diverse system of martial arts predicated
almost entirely upon reaction to an enemy's aggression. That statement to
police would lead to expert testimony at trial and the revelation that Haro
knew only a little of the defensive art form, said Haro's attorney, Deputy
Public Defender Jonathan Grossman. 

When Haro took the stand, he told the jury his actions were purely
self-defense. He said he thought Wittmayer, who only had a folded
pocketknife in his pocket, would hurt him. After talking to jurors
Thursday, Schultz said he believed they felt Haro was in fear for his life
but that no other reasonable person in that situation would have felt that
way, hence the voluntary-manslaughter verdict. 

"It boiled down to what he was thinking at the time. Did he have murder in
his heart or did he have something else in his heart?" Schultz said, adding
the jury concluded that Haro "killed, but without malice." Grossman said he
was "reasonably" satisfied with the verdict but would not discuss what, if
anything, Haro had to say about it. If Haro had been convicted of murder,
he would have faced 25 years to life in prison. Under voluntary
manslaughter, the maximum is 12 years in prison. Sentencing was set for 9
a.m. July 29. 

- ------------------------
ADVERTISEMENT:  This is an example of one of the many things that there are
to read on the Dog Brothers Martial Arts Association (DBMAA) Members Only
Website.

Woof,
Crafty Dog

Attention DBMAA members:  Things with Conrad have settled down a bit and
Pretty Kitty is on a rampage with the website.  You may want to check in.



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From: "Marc Denny" <craftydog@dogbrothers.com>
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 21:41:10 -0700
Subject: eskrima: Deadly Tae Bo

A Howl of Greeting to All:

  There have been some snickers of late concerning Tae Bo.  This is unfair
and disrespectful as shown by the fact that Tae Bo has taken out a Major
Leagues baseball player.   The current issue of Martial Arts Professional
reports that Aaron Boone of the Cincinnati Reds "was channel surfing when
he became intrigued by a videotape of Billy Blanks' Tae Bo  , , , He bought
the tape and , , , popped it in his VCR and began following along with the
martial arts inspired exercises.  Unfortunately, Boone injured his right
hip attempting a high leg thrust kick and has been dogged by the injury all
season."

Yip!
Crafty Dog

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From: Chad <c_dada@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 22:39:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: eskrima: Re: Playmates

Once again, looking for people in Hawaii to do some friendly sparring
with.  Alot of people say yes and than change their mind after seeing
us on tape.  You can wear hand, elbow, knee, and head protection if you
want to.  This is the most gear allowed so we can keep it realistic. 
By covering up your important bones you will most likely only take home
bruises and a dented mask.  It isn't as scary after you really do it. 
It is very hard finding playmates and I don't want to go to schools
because I don't want to disrespect anyone.  Also, I've found that alot
of instructors discourage their students to go full contact with
minimum gear.  I have all the gear that I started out with.  I don't
fight with it anymore so it's there for anyone to use.  I have a HEAVY
fencing mask, two elow, two knee pads, and two gloves for anyone
interested.  Try it before you buy the gear.  If you don't like it,
fine, at least you can say you did it once and have an understanding of
what happens in a stickfight.  If you like it, order the gear, and you
can use my extra gear until you get yours.  Sorry guys, don't mean to
complain to everybody, just trying to get some playmates.  Don't have
to be an FMA student/instructor and any non-bladed weapon is allowed. 
It is very fustrating.  (808)299-7042 is my pager number just page me
with 99-and than your number.  We do it about twice a week when we get
the chance after 5:00 on weekdays and noon on weekends.  We stay within
the Waikiki and town area.  Okay, I just had to get that out.  Thank
You.

=====
"Draw me not without reason, sheath me not without honor"

Chad
Hawaii
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From: Terry Tippie <ttippie@lucent.com>
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 22:31:01 -0700
Subject: Re: eskrima: Terry Tippie Insane Training!

Tom, 

Thanks very much for your advice.  Your input on weights and diet
reinforces the advice I'm getting elsewhere, and I'll try to put it to
practice.  I did note, however, that your advice differs substantially from
the other coaching I'm getting in the area of aerobics/anaerobics.  I'm
gonna try to get to the bottom of that.  I'll bring up your point of view
with my conditioning coach and try to do some research on my own.  Any
bibliographic references would be appreciated.

If I could bounce ideas off you from time to time I'd be much obliged.
Thanks again.

Sincerely, 

Terry Tippie
Pacifica, CA

>From: tcsno <tcsno@mciworld.com>
>Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 15:19:26 -0400
>Subject: eskrima: Terry Tippie Insane Training!
>
>You are massively overtraining. First, deal with the food. Feed the lean
>mass with lean protein. Whey, foul, fish, wild game. Then go with veggies
>and low glycemic fruits for carbs. This is relative to the measurement of
>your lean body mass. Then you can add mono-fats according to your activity.
>That is olives, avacado, almonds, macadamians, etc. This will give caloric
>ballast.

Yes, thank you.  This is right in line with the advice I've gotten from my
nutrition trainer.  (How is it I never learned more about nutrition?)  The
consensus is that my diet was causing me to burn muscle as well as fat, and
that ain't good.  Now I have a clearer understanding of why I was so dead
for the second evening class.  This is gonna get fixed ASAP.  

>Pick one art per day

Picked one for now, Muay Thai.  I can train it at high intensity levels
from guys with 300+ fights each and still avoid injuries.  Once I'm in
shape most other arts, except for BJJ, will be easier to practice.
(Alright, Mano Cacoy will kick my ass no matter what I do.)  Sometime Q1
next year I'll start out on BJJ.  Then FMA in time to get up to speed to go
see Mano Cacoy in Cebu.

I've got soooo much stuff that is green on the vine.  The mode I'm in right
now isn't about acquiring more and more techniques, it is about living up
to the training that I have already received.  

>You can do one or two short weight sessions per week. Multiply reps times
weight divided by total
>time. See if you can increase this every workout. When you cant, take more
>time between weight sessions. 7- 10 days may be appropriate. 

Hmmmm...weights is something that I've dabbled in without ever really
learning as well as I should.  I'm gonna change my approach this time
around and get with a guy locally whom seems to be highly thought of.  I
hear what you're saying though--fewer, more intense workouts. 

>Keep one hi intensity aerobic equipment session. 

I have had a longtime student who is a bicycle racer that has been my
primary cardio coach.  He differs from you substanaially in his view of
aerobic/anaerobic training.  I'm not sure I can do justice to his point of
view, and maybe we should take this one offline.  But here goes...  His
program has had several phases to it:  1) establish a broad aerobic base
with lots of time in the sub-aerobic weight management zone, 2) build
anaerobic threshold by alternating easy (aerobic) and hard (anaerobic)
days, and 3) peak as you get closer to a competitive event by training
fewer but higher intensity workouts with specificity to that sport.  Right
now I'm in the transition between his phase I and phase II.  Um, I'm a
little reluctant to change this part of my training right now because it is
going so well.  Plus I've already lost like 30 pounds...  

>Measure intensity, duration, and take off time when you do not improve.  

I use a heart rate monitor and log stuff.  Improvement has been great.  The
only plateau I've hit so far is pretty clearly a diet issue.  Maybe I can
get back to you when I DO plateau.  

>The other aerobic day should be chasing your dogs for fun.

It turns into anaerobics real fast.  This dog does mirror drills naturally
while he runs after me, barks, jumps in the air and tries to bite the
bottom of my T-shirt.  It's great fun.

>I am surprised you are trying to keep up this pace. Do less, and you will
>see more improvement.

(*shrug*)  I like to work hard and sweat, so I didn't really notice.
Besides, when I look at how the pro's train at Fairtex I look at myself and
think, "You're a wimp."  At any rate, I have been improving steadily,
especially of late in my anaerobic threshold.  In years past I had put a
lot of time into teaching, which can also get you into a rut if you don't
keep up your own stuff.  Right now I'm just happy right to be a student--no
overhead, no liability, no responsibility, no social work--it's great.
Just keep your hands up!  (*WHAM* *cover* *Doh!*  Why did Kun Klu Ganyao
have to be 6'5"?)

>To recover, try a balanced snack,(one half BALANCE BAR) before and after
>your workout. Also try your biggest meal after that morning workout. Another
>key to fat loss,.......drink a minimum of 1.5 gallons of ice cold water per
>day, every day. 

Ack!  That's a lot.  I'll be floating.

>This will facilitate heat loss through urination, and keep
>you well hydrated. Sleep 8 hours per nite, with maybe a nap. You should
>obviously be taking anti-oxidants and adding some glutamine after
>workouts(like 20 grams). Your diet can include green tea, and wine for the
>added polyphenols.
>
>If you need more advice, email me. I dont charge a thing,........yet.
>
>Tom Furman
>tcsno@mciworld.com
>


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From: SReiter000@aol.com
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 01:54:33 EDT
Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #452

BENRBRAUN@aol.com writes..
<<  I wonder how many countless hours these black belts have spent punching 
and 
 kicking a heavy bag or lifting weights.  I personally think its a waste of 
 time.  How many of you out there have ever heard of Southeast Asian warriors 
 skipping rope or working with focus mitts or working with a heavy bag to 
make 
 themselves REALLY deadly.  

I dont mean to offend but i really think you must not have been around FMA or 
IMA for to long - the list of strength training/ power,speed, ect training is 
endless - i'll give you a few examples and analogies-
1) striking tires with sticks - builds powerful blows just like punching a 
heavy bag 
2) palming a 5-10 lb rock, throw it straight into the air with a back flip of 
your wrist, and catching with the other hand (from on top palm face down) 
before it hits the ground - builds forearm/wrist strength just like (actually 
better) wrist curls
3) kicking bamboo tree's with shin - kicking heavy bag
4) punching sand - hitting heavy bag
5) uncle bill (willem) de thouras told me he used to squeeze bamboo tree's 
everyday until he could crush it in his hands 
6) sempak and dempak silo all day long to build leg strength - analogies to 
the way a a sumo would build their legs -
7) i might be off on the name but i think it's called the 5 star drill - 
partners face each other and do something thats looks like a tkd inside block 
- - smashing forearms - then they would do a tkd downward block - then a whole 
lot more - with arm and legs ect - to build strength, power, muscle on the 
effected area -  then rub in a "secret" tempering formula for healing (muscle 
repair) -
8) a pole is placed vertical in a stack of tires - tied horizontally to the 
pole is rattan sticks at different height and they extend to each of the 4 
compass point - so if you hit one - you force the pole to move in a circle 
and one of the other stick hits you (a interesting side note: guro dan while 
practicing this hit one stick so hard - the stick that came around to hit him 
knocked him unconscious and a very young diana found him passed out in the 
back yard). - this develops - speed and timing like a speed bag or a a bag 
attach to celling and floor with bungee cord


>> I learn how to fight, belts and size mean nothing.  Skill is everything.  
Just 
 because you have a black belt or can do a snappy, award winning kata doesn't 
 mean that you can fight.  Why pursue a belt when you should pursue actual 
 fighting skills.>>

i have to disagree here - i think some kind of ranking system is important to 
a degree - it gives students some sort of sense of accomplishment - knowing 
they are improving in their instructor eyes -- tell me that you dont get a 
certain sense of pride after accompishing some - or building something with 
your own 2 hands - i'm not saying a belt for belts sake - or that that is the 
end result - but i think it has it's place and purpose - i have ideas as to 
the hows and whens of "promotion" but thats a diff thread  
 
 >As to the discussion about carrying weapons:  I often carry a 4 inch Cold 
 Steel Voyager.  Although I must admit that in the shadier parts of the city 
I 
 feel safer with that extra weight in my pocket, the reality is that I will 
 probably be attacked before I am able to draw the knife and must therefore 
 rely on my footwork and empty-handed skills to deal with the initial attack. 
 
   >>

purhaps you should practice drawing your blade from where ever you carry - 
tuhon gaje'  stresses - this is as import as training what to do with it once 
pulled -  

steve 
"win if you can, lose if you must, but always cheat" - jesse ventura (gov,the 
body, ect.)

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From: sikal@yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 02:20:55 -0400
Subject: eskrima: Keeping students

Our school also has some trouble keeping serious students. I've been training with my instructor for about 5 years and in that time, I've seen a lot of students come and go (far more than I saw during my years in a Karate school). Now, this is not to say that the Karate wasn't good ... it was, in fact, very good and I respect it and my old instructor a great deal ... but Kali and Silat suited me personally much better.

Anyway, I have thought quite a bit about why we lose so many students and have had several discussions about it with my instructor and the other staff at the school. We have come to the conclusion that there are a few major reasons:

1) Some people have come to expect certain things (i.e.: uniforms and ranks and such) from the martial arts due to the influence of TKD, Karate, and the like. Consequently, when they see people not wearing uniforms and rank indicators, they automatically (sometimes subconsciously) assume that we aren't legit or that we aren't very good or that we aren't very professional. In short, good old prejudism rearing its ugly head.

2) In order to train toward actual fighting, actual fighting has to be approached. While I don't (and I think few would) advocate going out and getting in fights on a regular basis, if someone really wants to learn how to fight, then their training needs to come as close to fighting as possible. Some people would rather convince themselves that they can fight rather than train (and take the inherent abuse) to really fight. In short, they want to talk the talk but they won't/can't walk the walk.

3) Some people aren't looking to learn how to fight, they're looking for an exercise routine that's not as boring as the gym. If they recognize this and they know that they're not learning how to fight, then Tae Bo (or something akin) is great for them. The problem is that a lot of people get deluded into thinking that they *are* learning how to fight.

4) Some people think that fighting ability is something that can be bought in a bottle. They want to go in, pay their money, put in X amount of time, and be the world's greatest fighters and best martial artists. So, when a school offers them that bottled solution, they jump at it ... then they convince themselves that it was the right decision and that they really are going to be the baddest SOB on the block ... of course, they're also likely to be the poorest SOB, but that's OK because they've been told that they can fight.

Consequently, when you get any of these types of people in the door, they don't last very long because they get disillusioned very quickly. They find that the training is too rough or that it doesn't match their preconceptions or whatever and out the door they go.

Unfortunately, identifying these reasons doesn't really help us much. How to fix this, I don't know. We sure haven't figured it out yet.

Mike

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It does not do to leave a live dragon out of your calculations.




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From: "Steven Drape" <sdrape@hotmail.com>
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 00:51:29 PDT
Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #452

>  Does anyone out there run into the same problems that I do when it comes 
>to
>finding serious students?
>  It seems that good students are hard to find these days.

   This is just a fact of martial-arts-life, and I really believe that 
nothing can be done about it. In fact, in our system, we take this into 
account in our training. Since less than 5% of the students who begin stay 
in a program long enough to reach "black belt" level, our training consists 
of three levels, and the students know going in that they need to persevere 
to learn our style-specific techniques.
   The first level is made up of things that students can get at any FMA 
school, like the pinke-pinke, angles, blocks and disarms, etc. If they 
leave, and most will, they take nothing special away with them. Yet when 
they go to another school down the road, as many will (again and again!), 
they find that the things they know are common at most other schools, so 
they don't feel that they were shortchanged.
   The second level is reserved for students who have shown that they are 
truly interested and are committed. By now, there is only a small percentage 
of the original group still training, but now we feel that training will not 
be wasted on someone who will soon quit. At this point they begin learning 
style-specific things, and actually begin learning eskrima. This level 
eventually produces the next generation of teachers in the system.
   The third level means closed-door personal training with GM Pasa, and 
results in an individual who is then qualified to produce teachers of the 
second level. There are only a few of these guys in our system all over the 
world.

   On another point, I'm curious if others have found the following to be 
true. In my experience, having taught for money and having taught for free, 
it seemed that teaching for free invariably resulted in students who were 
not interested and often didn't show up for class, while the money students 
were much more regular and dedicated. Anyone else have experience in this 
area?

Steve

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From: mac <mac@hkisl.net>
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 16:06:06 +0800
Subject: eskrima: eskrima con aikido

I am new to Arnis(2 sessions) and I do not know other MA as well.
I read somewhere of the system called EskriDO.  FMA alone is not easy to
learn, then you add Aikido.  
Does this makes the system more difficult?  
Is FMA alone not enough? or It works better in combination with other
art(s), not only Aikido?
Will there be conflict in weapons usage/style/technics?

Please shed some light

Mac

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From: Patrick Davies <Patrick.Davies@Halliburton.com>
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 09:48:20 +0100
Subject: eskrima: Re:Jocelyne's request and some assorted rambling

From:	BENRBRAUN@aol.com <mailto:BENRBRAUN@aol.com> 
<<Jocelyne requested information on other peoples level systems and to her I
reply that in the school I attend there are a few gurus and many more
students.  As far as ranking there is none other than that.  All of the
students KNOW who is better than who just from moving around with each other
and that's is all there is to it.  I incidentally think that's the way it
should be.  I train not to obtain a certificate or a belt or a trophy; I
train to become a better fighter.  There have been several times that a new
student will start training at my school boasting of the years they spent
acquiring a black belt in some other art (no names; I wish to not offend)
only to find that they have no idea how to actually fight.  I'm a skinny
guy, about 137lbs, and I have personally humbled larger black belts with
only 3 years of pencak-silat and kali training to back me up.  This is more
a testament to the arts than to my skill.>>

but the majority of martial art training is for recreational purposes. Now
we don't have formal gradings but when I get a commendation of sorts from my
instructors I consider it an honour. There is pride in achievement which
only spurs me on till the next time I get put on my behind ; ) 

<<I wonder how many countless hours these black belts have spent punching
and kicking a heavy bag or lifting weights.  I personally think its a waste
of time.  How many of you out there have ever heard of Southeast Asian
warriors skipping rope or working with focus mitts or working with a heavy
bag to make themselves REALLY deadly. >>

well I could think of one or two myself. Or are you perhaps being specific
to one art. It doesn't seem like it. Mmmm hands up those guys who do NOT
rate a thai boxer effectiveness and then there is the bando......OF COURSE a
sit up isnt going to choke me out but the attributes gained by having a
strong body and healthy mind allow me to practice those finely honed skills
for longer therefore getting to a greater level of proficiency in a shorter
period of time and retaining it!

 <<I would be much more afraid of some 120 lb 70 year old Javanese silat
practitioner with a knife than Billy Blades with a knife.  To be sure Billy
spends a lot more time lifting weights, using creatine and other
supplements, punching and kicking things that don't move and working out at
the gym, but how long do you think he'd last against that 70 year old
Javanese guy.   For those that want belts, go for it!  For those that want
huge bodies with muscles popping out everywhere go for it.  For those that
want to get their hearts in shape, swim a few laps.  For those that want to
learn how to fight, belts and size mean nothing.  Skill is everything.  Just
because you have a black belt or can do a snappy, award winning kata doesn't
mean that you can fight.  Why pursue a belt when you should pursue actual
fighting skills. >>

ok you are stating the obvious that sport orientated martial art training is
not as effective as reality type training but I still believe that the
health of the person plays an important factor. I can do all these skills
but havent got the stamina or understanding to deal with the adrenaline rush
of real life drama and im going to get a reality check. Lets look at the
guys who are at the top of our arts shall we. The ones who everybody wants
to train with and lets look at their ability. Do they have a decent fitness
schedule. 2 plus 2 equals.........(fill in the space by yourself)

good luck
pat

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From: d g <pdgalst@cuttingedge.net>
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 06:16:11 -0700
Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #452

From: Gints Klimanis <gints@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 15:34:06 -0700
Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #451

>
>
> No.  My oversocialized peers, especially women, really consider
> martial arts training and weaponry to be expressions of savagery.
> To me, life is not worth living without martial arts training.
>
> Now that you make me think about it, I'll disguise my clip to look like
> a pager clip.  Thanks !!!!
>
> ------------------------------
>
> .

What's wrong with savagery? What do they expect you to be doing? Knitting? Donna

- --
NO!! My cycle doesn't leak!! I got a Shadow now. Harley-Davidson, eat your heart
out!!



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From: "Jon Howard" <JonHoward@aqua-pacific.com>
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 12:35:53 +0100
Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #452

>
>1.  "Draw me not without reason, sheath me not without honor."  The
>reason I use this is that my understanding is that there is a very very
>thin fine line between a warrior and a fool.  It doesn't matter to me
>how ironic the original guy that had this inscription, I took somthing
>from the past and use it for myself with my own meaning and use it
>today.

Amen Chad.
I wasn't taking a shot at you (or your sig), in fact I very much belive in
the adage and they are fine words to live by.  I was commenting more on the
orginal person for who honour was a much more publicised than practised
trait.

And for Mike Barnes,
The above message was apparently engraved on the hilt of the sword of
General Custer (him of the famous last stand) who Hollywood remembers as a
great hero, but history remembers as something a little different...


Jon...
(trying very hard not stray to the wrong side of that very thin line *grin*)



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From: "John Taylor" <johntaylor74@hotmail.com>
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 05:13:10 PDT
Subject: eskrima: good shape

Re: getting in shape

I'm very impressed to hear of all the hard physical work so many subscribers 
to the ED are doing. But here's the rub - the bloke I learn off is 74 in 
November, does little exercise except for our weekly refresher sessions, and 
yet isvery formidable for the first 1 minute of any hard sparring.

Being in great shape is fantastic - but having the sheer skill, fighting 
skill and guts is what will push you over the line.

Regards, John Taylor.

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From: tcsno <tcsno@mciworld.com>
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 09:34:16 -0400
Subject: eskrima: 3 pound weights again

Sorry to burst the bubble of some. Bruce Lee was defined because lack of
bodyfat. Not hi rep weight training. Weights are not a terribly effective
mode to burn fat. The long term effects of gaining mass will keep you lean
though. Bruce Lee was thin from overtraining, far from healthy, and had some
other VERY unhealthy things going on in his life.

I am a silat practitioner. My guru practices boxing, lifting, and weights.
So do the "size is of no importance" Brazilian JJ guys. I'll take Tank Abbot
or Kimo over your skinny Javanese man any day. Geez, do you want to fight
Sharon Stone who I have seen training with 3 pounders, or do you want to
fight Dogzilla or Chris Poznik??? Get a grip.

Tom Furman

tcsno@mciworld.com



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From: Ray Terry <raymail>
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 07:57:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: eskrima: Stockton

A 'reprint' from v06.n071.  Of course, as it turned out, Haro was
not an eskrima expert.

Ray

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Forwarded message:
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 08:01:36 -0800
Subject: Re: Eskrima Expert

Taken from todays Stockton Record:

[snip]

Man to face Murder trial for stabbing-

"Haro is an expert in Escrima. He knew what he was doing"
Charles Shultz, deputy district attorney-

A martial arts expert accused of stabbing a passerby who wanted to bum
some cigarettes will go on trial on murder charges a San Joaquin County
Superior Court Judge ruled tuesday.

Daniel Henry Haro, 25, will go before a jury in March on charges that he
stabbed and killed a 33 year old Stockton man four days before christmas
last year. After a preliminary hearing on tuesday Superior Court Judge
Bernard Garber ruled there was sufficent evidence to hold Haro over for
trial. Prosecutors are charging the Stockton resident with one count of
murder.

A self described expert in ESCRIMA, "a Filipino knife-fighting
technique", Haro allegedly stabbed 33 yeard old Brian Wittmayer to death
on the afternoon of Dec. 21, said deputy Districy Attorney Charles
Schultz. Wittmayer who suffered from bi-polar disorder, had approached
Haro to see if he could get a cigarette.

"Haro has said he thought Brian was coming after him" Schultz explained.
"So he stabbed Brian several times in the chest and back. Haro is an
expert in ESCRIMA. He knew what he was doing."

Two knife thrusts to Wittmayer's chest punctured a lung and at least one
artery a medical expert testified on tuesday. After he fell to his
knees, Wittmayer was stabbed several more times around the shoulder
blades. Stockton police officers found him lying on California Street
north of Weber Avenue, lifeless and and pale from lack of blood. >>>>


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From: Ray Terry <raymail>
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 08:07:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: eskrima: eskrima con aikido

> I am new to Arnis(2 sessions) and I do not know other MA as well.
> I read somewhere of the system called EskriDO.  FMA alone is not easy to
> learn, then you add Aikido.  

Eskrido is the style of Grandmaster Cacoy Canete.  It is his blend of Judo,
Aikido, and Doce Pares Eskrima.  Works well, especially for him

Ray Terry
raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com

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From: Ray Terry <rterry@best.com>
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 07:58:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: eskrima: .


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