From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #454 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Thur, 28 Oct 1999 Vol 06 : Num 454 In this issue: eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #451 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #453 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #453 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #453 eskrima: escrido eskrima: Tips for Terry eskrima: Creatine eskrima: Re: business of keeping students eskrima: Re: Pat's ramblings.. eskrima: re: Knife Carry in Computer Biz. eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #453 eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan Eskrima, and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "McTarsney, Jill" Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 09:21:25 -0600 Subject: eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #451 RE: training/ranking...the infamous 3lb wts(yikes!) that's what she recommends in the book to go along with the workouts, all isometric and dynamic tension for toning.... I have seen results..... As Chad mentioned...definition.....at least for now what I'd like to see, definitely. Unfortunately I don't have access, not to mention the time...... to go to a gym for greater selection of weights, ....and to evolve, I most likely will eventually invest in heavier weights though to build the muscle...... I'm also finding what worked for me a couple years ago just doesn't do the same for me now ??? ugh. so that make sense that some changes would have to take place.... Thank you for the thoughts! ;o) Re: the ranking + belts, for myself, yeah, I agree with what Jocelyn + Chad mentioned.... I love to learn..... whether it comes with ranking or what not, respecting my elders, peers and juniors... .what sparked a little concern is that I have heard some instructors will just promote...promote...promote, for their own benefit....I am in it to gain the skill (and discipline) and I want to be prepared and even more mentally if I should ever have to use it in a real life situation....I am constantly checking myself during training... (TKD as well) am I 100% committed to use this and be able to in a possible real life scenario....? I think so many of us have really not been exposed or have had to deal with a real life situation on the street.... so much is learned through experience...(someone asked me once "what's knowledge without experience?") I know when I first started, I felt I had to decide that my commitment to actually using this had to be there.... that it isn't just something I am learning or doing for belts etc.... does that make sense? sorry if I am rambling! I do have to admit though...(confession).... getting my yellow belt sure did feel good!! I know it goes so much deeper than that though. Being very new to all this, and with all the info out there, I can't tell all of you how much I appreciate the feedback from all the collective experience represented in this digest! Thanks again! ------------------------------ From: "Mike Barnes" Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 11:41:11 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #453 Last time SReiter000@aol.com wrote.... <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< 7) I might be off on the name but I think it's called the 5 star drill = - -=20 partners face each other and do something thats looks like a tkd inside = block=20 - - - smashing forearms - then they would do a tkd downward block - then a = whole=20 lot more - with arm and legs ect - to build strength, power, muscle on = the=20 effected area - then rub in a "secret" tempering formula for healing = (muscle=20 repair) - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In U.S. Quann Fa Kung Fu, we called these drills energy drills(the name 5 star was said). We would stand in front of each other in a horse stance = and "bang" our arms together. To my surprise I could feel a difference. We = also=20 did the same type of thing with our legs by pushing on our shins (shin to = shin) The "secret" formula we use is called jow....I know I did not spell that = right.... but it is a very good substance. I have put it on before and after = receiving a=20 nice big purple bruise and the next day it looked like it was two weeks = old. =20 I don't know if it is just in my head or what, but I still use it today in = Eskrima. Just adding my 1 cents worth.... :) <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< I have to disagree here - I think some kind of ranking system is important = to=20 a degree - it gives students some sort of sense of accomplishment - = knowing=20 they are improving in their instructor eyes -- tell me that you dont get = a=20 certain sense of pride after accomplishing some - or building something = with=20 your own 2 hands - I'm not saying a belt for belts sake - or that that is = the=20 end result - but I think it has it's place and purpose - I have ideas as = to=20 the hows and whens of "promotion" but thats a diff thread =20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.. I agree with the above statement. I recently received my first level = in=20 Inayan Eskrima (to my surprise since I can only attend class on Saturdays) = ,=20 and I was and am extremely proud of this. I know that this first level = doesn't=20 mean that I am anything spectacular or that I can go around and kick=20 anybodies butt but it does mean that I have accomplished a short term = goal=20 and that I am making progress. =20 When I say that it was my goal....I don't think that explains it well = enough... =20 I go to learn, to better myself. The rankings are just a side affect of = this learning.=20 It proves to me that I have been learning and not wasting my time playing = around. Again...my 1 cents worth....:) Mike Barnes Inayan Eskrima ------------------------------ From: BENRBRAUN@aol.com Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 12:11:18 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #453 Steve wrote: I dont mean to offend but i really think you must not have been around FMA or IMA for to long - the list of strength training/ power,speed, ect training is endless - i'll give you a few examples and analogies- Well I've been around for about three years. I'm aware that FMA and IMA have conditioning excercises and I'm familliar with many. Perhaps I was overstating my argument. All I'm trying to say is that conditioning is useless with respect to fighting unless there is apreciable skill to back it up and that I have come across several black belts that were very physically fit and looked like they could tear thing up but actually had very little fighting skill. For these reasons my training schedule is more skill based than conditioning based. Peace, Ben ------------------------------ From: "Jon Howard" Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 16:34:16 +0100 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #453 >==== >Maybe this world is another planet's hell. -- Aldous Huxley >==== > Or another planet's heaven... ------------------------------ From: SReiter000@aol.com Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 12:52:17 EDT Subject: eskrima: escrido >>I am new to Arnis(2 sessions) and I do not know other MA as well. I read somewhere of the system called EskriDO. FMA alone is not easy to learn, then you add Aikido. Does this makes the system more difficult? Is FMA alone not enough? or It works better in combination with other art(s), not only Aikido? Will there be conflict in weapons usage/style/technics? Please shed some light Mac>> first let me explain that FMA really means ANY fillipino martial art - so you you met a dumogero - and only learnt fillipino grappling, you would still be practicing FMA - same applies for panatukan(boxing) sikaran and yew yan (might have the spelling wrong as i only no of one guy who trains it) are both a kicking/kick boxing art - ect i think it depends on what area's of FMA you study - stick techniques do translate to blade,empty hands, ect. however there are many different areas of FMA - first many systems (Villabraille,laCoste .. ect.) consider silat as part of kali,escrima,arnis,ect. since i have have been exposed to the lacoste system more than other i'll elaborate on it - there are 12 distinct area's or subsections of the system - single stick,double stick, single dagger,double dagger, stick and dagger, long weapons (staff, boat orr ect), flexible weapons (yo-yo, wips, stingray tail, rope, belt, chain ect), projectile weapons( bow and arrow, sling shot, hand held cannon. ect) empty hands, spirtual learning (hilot for healing,ect.) UGHHH i forgot the other 2 -- i'm just waking up -- sorry - also depends on where you are -- because of the proximity to indonesia and thailand and the fact that boders were unclear - there is alot of other arts incorperated into certain systems - anyway - my point is there is alot more to FMA then sticks and/or knife - now granted that many systems/teachers dont have the techniques of some of the sub categories - amd even more refuse to teach it - (guro dan for instances shows like maybe 1/2 of the categories - so you might have to supplement - as show by the ufc - if a stand up fighter is taken to the ground and is out of his element, he's in trouble - or when thai first came to america - karate guy's had a very hard time dealing with thai kicks - so the more your exposed to the better your chances -- steve "win if you can, lose if you must, but always cheat" ------------------------------ From: "Mikal Keenan" Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 12:37:31 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Tips for Terry Ey Terry ... Regarding carbs ... the battle-cruiser needs to balance carb and lipid intake ... check out Nutrition Almanac (book) and Muscular Development (a monthly). NA can help calculate requirements per days of varying activity as well as provide a lot of factual information (e.g., compared to the mondo mumbo jumbo). One of my early teachers told me to always make half of every plate of food whole grain/brown rice. A combination that we now use for the carbo base is rice + quinoa. Quinoa, altho not very "glamorous", is a power=packed food that supported ancinet American civilizations. Its protein content is very appropriate for growth and restoration ... it's similar to the protein profile of human milk (BTW, moo milk ain't). Whole grains and seed foods can provide a lot of fats and oils to keep the lipid stores up (for endurance) and incombination with whole grains can provide us most of what we need in total. Low protein ain't so bad unless you're trying to generate family :-) When the protein intake gets too low some "generative" functions sorta, uh, go away for awhile until the intake increases again. There are other ramifications but this ain't no seminar (in fact, I've been staying away from commenting here ... but in the past few days your name has repeatedly rolled through my mind ... so there you are and here this is). NEway, my background includes Clinical Nutrition ... I strongly suggest checkign out the Nutrition Almanac so that you can answer most, if not all, of your questions. A very helpful bit'o'literature that book is. Once you calculate a base for carbo foundation, then you can make sure that you get enough fats and proteins, increasing the fats just before working ++heavy days. Also bear in mind that the gut will continue to absorb fruit sugars selectively during sympathetic activation, i.e., training/running/fight time, altho it shuts down other stuff (related to why we might throw up sometimes when worked too hard ... the gut says "Hey, it's too rough out there, gotta get rid of this stuff that might hurt me from the inside"). Rather than trying to get all fo the necessary carbs before or after working, you can plan to get a fair amount flowing in for your muscles while working. Simple fruit sugar, furctose, is the one. The intestines will pass it into the blood instead of or before anything else ... and that can provide the stuff of endurance after fats get used up. We tend to use carbs/sugars first, then fats when the sympathetic nervous system causes a fat dump, followed by hormonal effects on fat stores. It is because of the use of fat that women had been know in the past to not "hit the wall" as soon as men. Fat is premium, carb is regular. Learning to manipulate our use of the two can make a big differrence in work outcomes. OK I shutting up now. Be well, Mik ------------------------------ From: "Mikal Keenan" Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 12:42:41 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Creatine I'm not going to do a thesis on this like I did on this some time back, but creatine is simply a link in the chain of energy production at the cellular level. It plays a role in the synthesis of ATP. That's it in a nutshell. Most dosages are too high. Even following the "loading" way of thinking, 2 grams a day after loading were found to be sufficient for maintenance of its "ergogenic" effects. For all the creatine guzzlers ... creatine is best utilized by -resting- muscle. That little thought might save ya some money :-) ------------------------------ From: "Branwen Thomas" Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 14:36:23 -0230 Subject: eskrima: Re: business of keeping students >1) Some people have come to expect certain things ..snip... >2) In order to train toward actual fighting, actual fighting has to be approached. ...snip... >3) Some people aren't looking to learn how to fight, they're looking for an exercise routine ...snip... >4) Some people think that fighting ability is something that can be bought in a bottle. ..snip... At our club we have seen the same scenario - Sifu has had the club going for about 6 years (mostly part-time/evenings) and although he's had many students come through, not many have stuck it out to make it to the senior level. In my two years there, I've watched the club with a business eye (at my Sifu's request - he's not so "business" oriented), and I have noticed the same attitudes/perceptions as Mike mentions in his posts. Basically, those who know what they want, know what it is when they see it, and stick with our classes. Those who just want to do some(any!) martial arts may try a month and often leave to find something less "serious" (!). Those who just want to know "how long 'til my black belt" generally don't even make it through the door. [true story: a guy from another unrelated style called and asked if he would have to start with the junior class, since he was a black belt - Sifu said yes, the guy said thanks & hung up. to my mind this is the extreme end of belt-arrogance - i'm just glad he's the (hopefully) exception & not the rule] I've found that if 15 people call to ask about the club, 8 of these will come down and watch or try a class, 5 of those will join, and 2 will stay past three months.After a while you can tell who is superkeen and likely to stick it out because they've fallen in love (with the arts :), and who, for whatever reasons, will not. Sometimes, though, life just gets in the way... As you can see, I have no answers, although lots of observations - I love people-watching ;) Also, as Steve D. points out, "money" students often attend class more regularly and stick around longer. From working in retail, I see this as the idea of perceived value. [Business mode] Sifu loves the arts, loves teaching, gets excited about showing someone the beauty of the knowledge, and teaches well - ie positive reinforcement, clear explanations, open to questions etc., but would be willing to give all his knowledge away to anyone seriously interested. Part of me completely understands this, as I feel the same way about books - if I won 1million dollars, I would still have the bookstore, but I would just give away the books. The real world business side of me, however, screams internally at the thought of allowing non-paying students to take up space that could be given to paying students who will stay as long or longer. This has especially become an issue since Sifu is slowly making plans to ease out of his current job and take the club full-time. When you are really rich, you can afford to teach for free, but in order to get there you need to make the money first. Sigung often tells Sifu that he should charge more - he is offering a service which is NOT available anywhere else in the PROVINCE, which makes it more valuable - scarcity = value. Sifu won't, but at least he has raised his prices to be equal to what TKD, Karate, etc schools are charging. Back to the point - people who pay hard-earned cash for something will do their best to make sure they get every penny's worth (i would, i'm self-employed and poor.) We do of course help out people who are really keen, but having $$ trouble - payment plans, etc. I'm actually paying for my classes by doing the club bookkeeping, office/organization stuff, beginner instructing etc. Basically, money is a nasty thing, but still necessary, so we try and balance altruism and business reality. I will say that in the past few months we've had more students on average sticking around, but whether it's because we've infected them with the bug, or they just like the workout, or are waiting for their fees to run out....who knows? whew! what a ramble.... jocelyne Roaring Girl * Purveyor Of Fine Books * Beater Of Bodhrans * Smiter Of The Wicked * * Owned By Angus, Most Elegant And Pleasing Of Cats * ------------------------------ From: "Branwen Thomas" Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 14:53:36 -0230 Subject: eskrima: Re: Pat's ramblings.. I like to be told I'm doing well too...i mean we all do, we're human, right...? I just don't like it when the belt becomes the goal, instead of what you put into it and what (or whom ;) you take out. I mean, Guro Dan has belts, doesn't he? but because of his ability,personality etc, the only badge he needs is "Guro Dan"...like Crafty Dog...etc...uh oh I seem to be drifting into that title discussion again. Also, to keep one's head properly humble there are people who DON'T CARE what belt we have or in what system...gasp.... As for training/conditioning/exercise, whether you whack a heavy bag, kick a tree, focus pads, whatever, ultimately, if it serves to enhance your body and art, there you go. If it doesn't, or just doesn't appeal to you, fine....use whatever works (to paraphrase Sijo Lee). I learn techniques in class, but I learn a lot about application from this list....thanks Ray and everyone else. jocelyne Roaring Girl * Purveyor Of Fine Books * Beater Of Bodhrans * Smiter Of The Wicked * * Owned By Angus, Most Elegant And Pleasing Of Cats * ------------------------------ From: "Nate" Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 11:05:56 -0700 Subject: eskrima: re: Knife Carry in Computer Biz. Greetings - I carry occasionally a 3" Endura at the office. (Systems / DB admin) I did get a funny look once; However, after I showed the guy how quickly the serrated blade cut through coaxial cable, and you can even use the curves in the serrations to strip wires too! Now its just another neat toy. Nate ------------------------------ From: Chad Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 11:28:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #453 > >1. "Draw me not without reason, sheath me not without honor." The >reason I use this is that my understanding is that there is a very very >thin fine line between a warrior and a fool. It doesn't matter to me >how ironic the original guy that had this inscription, I took somthing >from the past and use it for myself with my own meaning and use it >today. "Amen Chad. I wasn't taking a shot at you (or your sig), in fact I very much belive in the adage and they are fine words to live by. I was commenting more on the orginal person for who honour was a much more publicised than practised trait." None taken John, just wanted the post to know my reasons. BTW, if anyone is wondering, I am not a Custer fan. ===== "Draw me not without reason, sheath me not without honor" Chad Hawaii __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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