From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #455 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Fri, 29 Oct 1999 Vol 06 : Num 455 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #454 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #454 eskrima: (no subject) eskrima: SIZE [none] eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #454 eskrima: Anyone in Minnesota? eskrima: Dit da jow, dis and dat eskrima: Chad's Quest for Playmates eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #454 FW: eskrima: FW: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #453 (fwd) eskrima: Belts, etc eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan Eskrima, and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. 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Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AnimalMac@aol.com Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 15:56:39 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #454 In a message dated 10/28/99 1:52:22 PM Mountain Daylight Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << I think so many of us have really not been exposed or have had to deal with a real life situation on the street.... so much is learned through experience...(someone asked me once "what's knowledge without experience?") >> In this business, continued breathing. It's dangerous out there folks! ------------------------------ From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 18:29:32 EDT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #454 In a message dated 99-10-28 16:06:02 EDT, you write: << All I'm trying to say is that conditioning is useless with respect to fighting unless there is apreciable skill to back it up and that I have come across several black belts that were very physically fit and looked like they could tear thing up but actually had very little fighting skill. For these reasons my training schedule is more skill based than conditioning based. Peace, Ben >> I've seen a lot of people with no skill, but with strength, conditioning, and the proper mindset come out on top. Size, Strength, and Conditioning DO MATTER. Alain ------------------------------ From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 19:36:58 EDT Subject: eskrima: (no subject) <<>> This is not quite correct. Heavy training, very heavy, with low reps will increase strength without increasing size. It is the moderate weights with reps in the 6-12 range that do the most for size. This is how bodybuilders train. For the martial artist, who does not want an increase in weight or size, a power lifting type program can be the most benificial. Not only will strength increase, but the compound movements of the power lifts transfer to what some like to call "real world" strength. If you look at the lower weight classes of power lifters, you will see that they are incredibly strong at low bodyweights, and they don't carry the extra pounds that a lot of the heavy weights to. I don't have the time tonight to go into it in more detail, but it really depends on what your training goals are. Alain Burrese ------------------------------ From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 19:52:15 EDT Subject: eskrima: SIZE <<>> I will agree with you that belts do not necessarily mean anything when it comes to fighting. I too know many black belts in various arts that would not fare well in a street altercation. However, there are other reasons that some people study various arts. However, you are mistaken in saying size does not matter. Size into itself does not always mean something, but I'll say it again, size and strength do matter. Anyone who improves their strength, will also improve their fighting capabilities. I've been hit by smaller boxers and larger boxers. Both knew how to punch, and put their weight into the punch. (using a drop step, and/or hip twist with the pucnch) If I had my druthers, I'd rather be hit by the smaller guy than the bigger guy. But yes, skill matters a lot too. I've been hit by smaller guys who hit harder than a lot of bigger guys just because they know how to hit. But I've also put joint locks easily onto guys that weigh 150-170 pounds, and then tried the same thing to someone 6'3" 285 pounds and things just didn't work the same. (and I'm someone who benches 300) With all this said, I beleive you need to train for all of the elements involved with fighting. That means training to fight, but it also means training for strength, speed, conditioning, and a whole lot of other things. Yours in Training, Alain Burrese P.S. For more of my views on self-defense and related issues, check out the Paladin Press website at www.paladin-press.com I'm the featured Author of the Month this month. ------------------------------ From: Luis Pellicer Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 10:09:11 +0800 Subject: [none] RE : Routines This is a mass of stuff which I use. The day starts at 6AM, on the bike, stretching etc. (Plus The head office and plant site is a three minute walk from my home, no hour long car rides to contend with. Makes life easier.) During coffee breaks, lunch or whenever I have a couple of free minutes I try and fit something in. Everything is broken up and done as as time allows, and if I feel overtraining setting in I'll back off a little. It is an incomplete list excluding balancing training (getting funny looks as I'm conducting a morning meeting standing on one leg) speed training, coordination, pylometrics and actual MA sessions. Except for the morning cardio (45-50 minutes) and some of the evening road work, nothing on the list usually takes more than 5-10 minutes. (I built a private gym/training hall just off the factory site.) This is my ACTUAL list which I wrote up a early this year when I was straightening out my schedule. (two years of inactivity and an additional 30+ pounds after marriage and the baby, UGH) All "cutting" is done with a blade, (I keep 5 of various lengths and weight in my office.) or a 1 inch thick 32 inches long steel pipe flattened out slightly and filled with cement. All forearm "lifts" and "hits" (weighted or isometric) are done specifically for cutting power. Three years ago at 6'3 and 185-195 lbs (very "cut"), using basically the same stuff, I had gotten to a point of my joints and bones actually not being able to withstand the power generated by my strikes. Though I wasn't "bulky" I would routinely outlift bodybuilder types who outweighed me by quite a bit, but I could actually translate this strength into striking power through the speed workouts, pylo, etc. (And I could "move" a 215 lb. seated military press a hell of alot faster than they could, no cheating or bouncing) All heavy bag training is on a 6 foot long 170 lb. one which I had made up. GENERAL CARDIOVASCULAR CONDITIONING STATIONARY BICYCLE SHORT 25 KM. MEDIUM 30 KM. LONG 35 KM. RUNNING SHORT 20 LAPS (2.4 KM.) MEDIUM 25 LAPS (3 KM.) LONG 30 LAPS (3.6KM.) RUNNING IN PLACE SHORT 2500 REPS MEDIUM 3000 REPS LONG 3500 REPS SPECIFIC CARDIOVASCULAR CONDITIONING PUNCHING JAB 200 REPS STRAIGHT 200 REPS HOOK 200 REPS UPPERCUT 200 REPS KICKING FRONT SNAP KICK 100 REPS FRONT THRUST KICK 100 REPS REAR SNAP KICK 100 REPS REAR THRUST KICK 100 REPS REAR ROUND KICK 100 REPS (LEFT/RIGHT KNEES 100 REPS COMBINATIONS 200 REPS CUTTING/THRUSTING 1000 REPS all moves POWER TRAINING GENERAL WEIGHTS SHOULDERS MILITARY PRESS 1X6 WIDE GRIP UPRIGHT ROW 1X6 TRAPS SHRUG 1X6 CLEAN 1X6 FOREARMS WRIST CURL 1X15 REVERSE WRIST CURL 1X15 REVERSE CURL 1X15 CHEST DECLINE PRESS 1X6 INCLINE PRESS 1X6 BICEPS BARBELL CURL 1X6 CALVES STANDING CALF RAISE 1X15 SEATED CALF RAISE 1X15 NECK NECK RAISE 1X15 BACK FRONT PULLUP 1X6 BENT ROW 1X6 CLOSE GRIP PULLUP 1X6 TRICEPS CLOSE GRIP BENCH PRESS 1X6 QUADS LEG EXTENSION 1X8 SQUAT 1X8 HAMSTRINGS LEG CURL 1X8 STIFF LEG DEADLIFT 1X8 ISOMETRICS 8 SECONDS PRESS CHEST SQUEEZE STRAIGHT ARM PULL BENT ARM PULL CURL PUSH DOWN WRIST CURL REVERSE WRIST CURL ONE LEG TOE RAISE ONE LEG SQUAT LEG CURL SPECIFIC WEIGHTS 20 REPETITIONS ROMAN CHAIR STRAIGHT PUNCH ROMAN CHAIR HOOK PRONE DUMBELL PUNCH (START) PRONE DUMBELL PUNCH (LOCKOUT) PRONE HOOK UPPERCUT ONE LEG EXTENSION ONE LEG LOCK OUT FOREARM LIFT FOREARM HIT GRIPPER ISOMETRICS 8 SECONDS STRAIGHT PUNCH HOOK UPPERCUT THRUST KICK SNAP KICK FOREARM LIFT FOREARM HIT APPLICATIONS HEAVY BAG PUNCHING JAB 30 REPS STRAIGHT 30 REPS HOOK 30 REPS UPPER CUT 30 REPS COMBINATIONS 60 REPS KICKING FRONT SNAP KICK 15 REPS FRONT THRUST KICK 15 REPS REAR SNAP KICK 15 REPS REAR THRUST KICK 15 REPS ROUND KICK (LEFT/RIGHT) 15 REPS OTHERS KNEES(LEFT/RIGHT) 15 REPS ELBOWS(LEFT/RIGHT) ALL COMBINATIONS 60 REPS PS. Sorry about the word doc, Ray. I had to scrounge this up from my files. LSPIII ------------------------------ From: Andrew R Breton Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 22:18:17 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #454 I realize this is off topic, but a few posts back someone mentioned (in the context of Guro Danny I's book) a book by Salem Assli on Savate. I can't find it at Amazon. Any leads? By the way, Tuhon McGrath was just down here in Dallas last week end teaching EyD. It attracted students from all over the country. Very inspiring and informative material! (and nicely paced as well : ) ) Thanks in advance for any assitance with the Savate book. Andy Breton ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ From: Just This Guy Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 22:53:57 -0500 (CDT) Subject: eskrima: Anyone in Minnesota? Hey there. I'm looking for sparring partners in the Minneapolis area. Stick, empty hand, drills, whatever. I'm intermediate in skill level but I need more flow sparring... steveb@herd.plethora.net ------------------------------ From: Just This Guy Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 22:56:25 -0500 (CDT) Subject: eskrima: Dit da jow, dis and dat I have a bottle of the Five Photos brand of jow. No idea what's in it because I dont read kanji but I swear the stuff works, it makes bruises feel better right away and disappear within days. What's good for stick-impact hematomas? Right now my left index finger is the size of a hotdog... ------------------------------ From: Eric Knaus Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 22:41:39 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Chad's Quest for Playmates Chad from Hawaii said >> Sorry guys, don't mean to complain to everybody, just trying to get some playmates.<<< Sounds like you need to come to a Gathering. Eric Knaus ------------------------------ From: Tobias Kohlenberg Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 23:26:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #454 > ------------------------------ > > From: "Nate" > Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 11:05:56 -0700 > Subject: eskrima: re: Knife Carry in Computer Biz. > > Greetings - > I carry occasionally a 3" Endura at the office. (Systems / DB admin) I > did get a funny look once; However, after I showed the guy how quickly the > serrated blade cut through coaxial cable, and you can even use the curves in > the serrations to strip wires too! Now its just another neat toy. That's my excuse too. Also, since I am a computer security specialist (00X; license to hack :) ), it fits the image to be able to pull out a serrated edge now and then. Gotta keep them users scared. ;) Toby finger me for my public key ------------------------------ From: "Mead, Jean-Christian" Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 08:53:47 +0100 Subject: FW: eskrima: FW: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #453 (fwd) Re: Knife Carry in Computer Biz Are ceramic (or other non-ferrous material) blades available in usefull sizes? Are there any which do not obviously look like knives? Regards JC ------------------------------ From: Steve Grantham Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 08:05:38 -0400 Subject: eskrima: Belts, etc In regards to using belts or some kind of ranking system, I believe in them. I think they work for both the instructor and the student. All belts do is formalize and existing unspoken hierarchy in the classroom anyway. From the instructor's point of view, if you have your curriculum laid out in an organized, progressive format, you can glance at a student and tell immediately what material that student has aborbed or learned. In turn, the student has the formal recognition that he has actually aquired certain skills and attributes to reach that level. If the goal is to learn a system, it always helps to know how far along you are in your progress. This keeps frustration down and motivation high, your sense of accomplishment grows. Having said that, it's important to note that in some cases, the ranking system is not infallible. There are students of rank D, for instance, who don't really understand the material as well as students of rank B (lower rank). This causes frustration on the part of both students. The senior student will generally feel uncomfortable (maybe really deep inside - not obviously) because he knows he hasn't really developed better skills than his juniors, and the junior resents the senior's having the undeserved rank. I've seen several cases of this myself. It is the instructor's responsibility to ensure that the belt a person receives has been earned in accordance to the curriculum they are studying.It is a type of credential, like certification in any field. The easier it is to receive the certification, the more it undervalues that certification. It is also the instructor's responsibility to make sure that the student understands that the belt/certification itself is not a goal. Certification without the ability implied by that certification is worthless. The belt merely represents how far along the journey of understanding the system that the student has traveled. I asked Guro Inosanto what he thought of ranks and levels in the FMA, and he told me he thought it was a good idea. Now for those of you who don't know Guro Dan, he may very well have told me that so he wouldn't hurt my feelings, so don't hold him to that. He encourages all of his instructors to devise their own curriculum from the material he teaches, and to incorporate a rank system if they feel it will help them teach. I incorporate ranking in all the systems I teach for the above reasons. In talking to students over the years about what frustrates them about different classes, I have learned that most want some organized method of learning. They find a progession much easier to deal with. If you just teach randomly every class instead of having a specific progression, I think the majority of students will drop out. Even if you're the best teacher in the world, most of your students will still eventually drop out anyway, due to life. Things come up. The number of people who's number one priority is the martial arts is extremely small. With family and work, most people have a difficult time training consistently. As all instructors know, it takes a lot of dedication and sacrifice to reach instructor level in anything Just my opinion! Steve ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 06:46:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #455 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com in directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan Eskrima, and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.