From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #460 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Mon, 1 Nov 1999 Vol 06 : Num 460 In this issue: eskrima: re:size vs skill eskrima: Alibata eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #459 eskrima: Re: Filipino Alphabet eskrima: To Animal: Knife twirling? eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #459 eskrima: Re: -GRY problem eskrima: Bruce Lee, Fat, and Mustika Kwitang eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan Eskrima, and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Sovann D. Pen" Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 20:55:58 EST Subject: eskrima: re:size vs skill Alain? writes << << I've seen a lot of people with no skill, but with strength, conditioning, and the proper mindset come out on top. Size, Strength, and Conditioning DO MATTER. >> Anonymous writes: Not exactly a ringing endorsement for the martial arts is it. [snip] Martial arts are great, but they aren't a magic wand. Neither is a stick or knife. Sovann NW Karate for Christ ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ From: David Reyes Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 19:24:15 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Alibata > > Hi, > > I'm looking for information on the old filipino alphabet (pre-spanish). Does > anyone have any links or know of any good sources of info? > > Thanks, > Ken http://home.earthlink.net/~aswang/alibata.html Sige, David Reyes~ ------------------------------ From: Nolan Hernandez Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 20:01:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #459 Ken, Below are two websites on 'Baybayin', the ancient Filipino alphabet. I hope they provide you with the information you are looking for. http://home.earthlink.net/~waltski/ http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/tagalog/alibata.html mabuhay ang baybayin, Nolan > From: SolAndes@aol.com > Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 16:28:28 EDT > Subject: eskrima: Filipino Alphabet > > Hi, > > I'm looking for information on the old filipino > alphabet (pre-spanish). Does > anyone have any links or know of any good sources of > info? > > Thanks, > Ken > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: STKBROS3@aol.com Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 00:14:03 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Filipino Alphabet Hi Ken, Take a look at this web-site, I'm not too sure if it is pre-spanish though. Hope this helps. http://alibataatpandesal.com Ed ------------------------------ From: Ludwig Schwarz Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 09:44:07 +0100 (MET) Subject: eskrima: To Animal: Knife twirling? Mr. MacYoung, since you appear to be reading this list: I have a very specific quesion to you. I'm sorry, but it has beeen intriguing me for years now: In your first Book (Cheap shots, etc.....), you say something like "After all these years off the street, I still twirl Knives while watching TV to keep my skills..." Well, I read your book on Knife fighting, I saw your videos on the subject, and in none of them you show how to twirl knives. OK, in the book you state that the exercise consists in changing from the ice-pick grip to the hammergrip and vice-versa, and you tell us that you prefer doing so by finger motion instead of tossing your knife around. And in the Knife videos (and I watched them very, very carefully) you only twirl the Knife one small moment, before sheating it...... Ok, so here is my question finally: Could you please describe me in detail the correct finger motions of twirling knives? Even in Escrima, I didn't find such a drill... Thanks in advance Ludwig from Berlin, Germany - -- Sent through Global Message Exchange - http://www.gmx.net - -- Sent through Global Message Exchange - http://www.gmx.net ------------------------------ From: SReiter000@aol.com Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 03:05:44 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #459 << from: "Carlton H. Fung, D.D.S." Tuhon Bill wrote: If they have a specific ailment they go to a doctor certified as a "specialist" and if they are really hurting, they may check to see if the specialist is "board certified">> Well this is not exactly true. You cannot compare the certificated licensed doctor with a certificated titled martial artist. Doctors must all meet certain minimum standards from their 1) educational instutution, then their 2) federal government, then their 3) state boards, then their 4) professional associations in their respective special areas like Dentistry and Plastic surgery etc. Even with all this we all have stories of bad doctors. In the martial arts there are no standards except those imposed by individuals who self-proclaim the right to impose standards and those individuals who allow these people to self-proclaim who inturn self-proclaim their position based on the first person's proclaimation! That is not the case not recognized standards comparable to medicine. >> i strongly disagree carlton - maybe now the med profession is certified ect. but when witch doctor's were the only ones practicing or dark age doctor's/alcomistists ect were doctors/ midwives ect - there was no "medical board" - there was trial and error - eventually some self proclaimed clown said he knows how to cure someone (like blood letting) and set himself up as medical teacher - who conferred a "degree" on some other clown who intern set himself up as a teacher - and ect. - the same can be said for any other decipline - the "teachers" giving "degree's" in astronomy thought the earth was the center of the universe. until someother clown said no - the centers the sun - ect. and what of modern researchers who have no degree but still make great advances (like the parents who made lorenzo's oil) or dont they count ? - it's all about what perpective your coming from - i think purhaps in certain instances martial arts instruction may set higher standards then some banana republic's national med school who only care about being paid - not to mention the students who must attend there because they couldnt get accepted in a med school here in the states, then come here and get licensed becuase they met the min. requirement of a med degree- steve "win if you can, lose if you must, but always cheat" ------------------------------ From: "Branwen Thomas" Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 11:26:07 -0330 Subject: eskrima: Re: -GRY problem > From: Sword1969@aol.com > Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 20:20:44 EST > Subject: eskrima: -GRY Problem > There are reportedly three words in the english language that end in "-gry." > Among them is "angry" and "hungry." What's a third? PUGGRY I can't remember what it means, where I saw it, or anything else. This happens to me a lot, because of the trillions of words i've read - I remember stuff but not the reference. I irritate my friends when playing Trivial Pursuit, watching Jeopardy etc..:) works well for the FMA, though, because I remember terminology and etymology better and tend to pick up techniques (although I can't always remember when I saw it or where my feet go...;) jocelyne Roaring Girl * Purveyor Of Fine Books * Beater Of Bodhrans * Smiter Of The Wicked * * Owned By Angus, Most Elegant And Pleasing Of Cats * ------------------------------ From: tcsno Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 09:57:30 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Bruce Lee, Fat, and Mustika Kwitang The comment on fat loss and weight training was kind of misinterpreted. My mistake. Weights are the BEST way to stay lean and fit. Lifting light weights to "look like Bruce Lee" is nonsense. Bruce Lee. He was one in a billion, highly gifted genetics and mind. He was human and flawed. I try to remember his 'years ahead of his time' attitude, athleticism, and thinking skills. I do know however, all the nonsense on the death and cover up are documented. You can read Tom Bleeckers book. He may still be at tbleecker@aol.com Guru Besar Ingram may be the source of Mustika Kwitang thru William Loreo in this country. There were other students from Loreo. Zacharia was probably at least one of them. My own lineage was through Pak Meier, to George DeGroot, to Harold Koening. I know very little about Meier, other than he was a military man, as was DeGroot, who trained commandos. This knowledge was obtained from Guru Koening, and from Uncle Bill DeThouars. I would imagine each man's interpretation of Mustika Kwitang is different. Another interesting, and provacative point on Bruce Lee. Dan Inosanto stated in an interview, that Bruce was impressed by Mike Stone's talent.(So was Priscilla!). Larry Hartsell told me that Bruce felt that Stone was, BY FAR, the most gifted of the four fighters,...(Stone, Lewis, Delgado,and Norris). Tom Furman tcsno@mciworld.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 07:08:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #460 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com in directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan Eskrima, and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.