From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #461 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Mon, 1 Nov 1999 Vol 06 : Num 461 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #459 eskrima: re: Ray's comment on the Teddy Roosevelt letter eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #458 eskrima: Re: Mustika Kwitang eskrima: Workouts eskrima: Flip, twirl and such eskrima: Re: Web page of interest eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan Eskrima, and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Todd Ellner Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 09:01:27 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #459 Sword1969@aol.com writes: >Hey FMAists! I have a question unrelated to the martial arts, but I know some >of you guys (and women) know the answer to a riddle covered here earlier this >year... >There are reportedly three words in the english language that end in "-gry." >Among them is "angry" and "hungry." What's a third? >Thanks for those who know and contribute. There is no third common word. There are, as far as I remember, four obscure ones: pugry, agry, meagry, and gry. Todd ------------------------------ From: Drew Zimba Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 09:04:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: re: Ray's comment on the Teddy Roosevelt letter Ray said: >Interesting that 'Farmer' Burns, an early 20th Century >American wrestler, claimed in his book(let) that he >had 'tried' several Ju-Jutsu men and didn't find them >especially difficult to get to submit. But then he >was reputedly VERY good. > >Again, FWIW. > >Ray Terry I think that is exactly Teddy's point. "Farmer" Burns was (according to modern day Catch wrestlers) very skilled. He was also VERY strong. He supposedly could take the gallows without any damage to his neck, it was so conditioned. I believe copies of his original mail-order workout are available for very little $$$ from www.combatwrestling.com. Drew ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: AnimalMac@aol.com Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 12:29:52 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #458 In a message dated 10/30/99 11:05:21 AM Mountain Standard Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Perhaps I'm just wet behind the ears, but my understanding and observations of the FMA and IMA (I'm talking about kali and pencak-silat for the most part here) suggest that a central tenet of both is that superior strength and conditioning can be negated by intelegence and skill. >> >> Let me answer for Alain (who by the way I can tell you from personal experience if he gets a hold of you it's all over) on this one. I used to know a guy who carried a snubbed out .357. He was real adament and loud about how he'd blow anyone away who would mess with him -- this included in modern parlance, anyone who diss'ed him too. I was pretty convinced tha he would too, unfortunately so was someone else. They found him in an alley with multible stab wounds in his back, his gun was still in it's holster. Bottomline, superior firepower doesn't do any good if you don't have a chance to deploy it. It is a race folks. Your fighting skills and techniques to stop a bigger opponent won't help you if he gets a hold of you before you can use them. Conversely, if he can't get a hold of you then his superior strength and size won't help him. You can have all the technique, muscle or philosophy in the world and it still boils down to who gets nastiest and most effective the quickest. ------------------------------ From: Kilap@aol.com Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 12:59:34 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Mustika Kwitang >> Guru Besar Ingram may be the source of Mustika Kwitang thru William Loreo in >> this country. There were other students from Loreo. I'm a student of Guru Ingram's and he makes it known that he was the not only one to haved learned from Willliam Loreo, and that there are a good number of MK players in general from various sources. However when Mr. Loreo retired he gave his siku-siku and sash to Guru Ingram. He's not only a man of skill but also integrity and class..but I plug him enough, people can/will find out for themselves. Regards, Travis ------------------------------ From: Kaesa@aol.com Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 13:14:15 EST Subject: eskrima: Workouts Hello, Ray mentioned Farmer Burns (Catch-as-catch-can champion in the late 1800's or early 1900's) in the last e-digest. I got his Wrestling and Physical Culture program (reprinted) and find that aside from the stick and grappling work in class, and some sandbag training (throwing heavy sandbags) once a week, it is the perfect workout, for me anyway. It even has "Chi Quong exercises in it. Check it out if you ever get the chance. He has alot of good info, even for an old guy (he'd be around 200 now). FWIW Joe ------------------------------ From: AnimalMac@aol.com Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 13:19:56 EST Subject: eskrima: Flip, twirl and such In a message dated 11/1/99 8:14:53 AM Mountain Standard Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << In your first Book (Cheap shots, etc.....), you say something like "After all these years off the street, I still twirl Knives while watching TV to keep my skills..." > Well, I read your book on Knife fighting, I saw your videos on the subject, and in none of them you show how to twirl knives. >> Okay, first and foremost I don't twirl knives in a real fight. The purpose of knife twirling isn't to change grips as much as it is to ingrain in your subconscious an automatic and tactial awareness of your knife's position. In otherwords the second that knife hits your hand you know how you have to change it, adjust your grip or what sort of strike is not going to work from that position. It is for the sole purpose that you don't have to look at your knife. I do not ever recommend changing your knife's direction in the middle of conflict. That is pure macho fantasy. Don't ask knife fighting "experts" go out and ask someone who has actually taken out a sentry with a knife. People tend to flop when you stick them and twirling your blade is second only to throwing it away for losing it. Why do you think so many "Fighting knives" had thongs? That is why I didn't show it in my videos. Dear old Micky Echanis made a huge impression in the martial arts world about twirling and how rough and tough he was. He also was so wrapped up in macho chest beating he violated the cardnial rule for bodyguards...he got his client killed (the fact that his ass got taken out at the same time is incidental). Don't think a twirl is anything other than a training technique with a very specific purpose for awareness. >Ok, so here is my question finally: Could you please describe me in detail the correct finger motions of twirling knives? Even in Escrima, I didn't find such a drill... There are many ways to do it. Echanis describes his version in his book. The way I do it is between thumb and index finger I pinch the knife, I then take the four remaining fingers and slide them between the knife handle and my palm. Transferring the pinching of the handle to my index finger and driving finger (some call it middle) I begin to roll my index finger back towards me while getting my thumb out of the way. This flips the knife into my fingers and close my thumb around it and adjust the knife's position. You will notice that on the return that the knife tends to flip over into an edge up position. You return it to an edge down position with a sidewards roll of your fingers. Go ahead an look at first, after a while however you will begin to develop a sense of "the edge is up" when it feels like this and you don't have to look. By doing this excercise, no matter how your knife lands in your hand you will know how to automatically correct it into your preferred grip. ------------------------------ From: Todd Ellner Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 11:36:18 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Re: Web page of interest BENRBRAUN mentions the pencaksilat.org site. I don't want to stir up a lot of old politics here, but there are a couple things which should be mentioned here. Contrary to Jeff's claims his organization doesn't represent "all legitimate Silat" practitioners in the US. It represents him, Bill Sanders, and anyone else who chooses to put him or herself under their authority. The official Indonesian government body in charge of the promotion and administration of Pencak Silat is IPSI along with its sister organization PERSILAT. Neither Jeff nor Bill is a member let alone any sort of official representative. The closest would probaby be Rennie Saunders, a Santa Cruz based pesilat. For that matter many if not most Silat teachers in Indonesia don't have anything to do with IPSI. They do their thing, and nobody really cares one way or another. Regards, Todd ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 14:55:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #461 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com in directory pub/eskrima/digests. 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