From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #464 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Wed, 3 Nov 1999 Vol 06 : Num 464 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #463 eskrima: 5 or 4 fingers and a thumb! eskrima: some notes on 2 day Dr. Gyi Bando monk seminar eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #457 eskrima: RE: Sayoc Kali Seminar eskrima: Combat Fitness eskrima: Steinbeck's Quote eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan Eskrima, and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AnimalMac@aol.com Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 02:41:59 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #463 In a message dated 11/2/99 4:24:10 PM Mountain Standard Time, Kevin writes: << Having said the above, we must still understand that by and large the knife is still looked upon as a thug's weapon by the court. It will regardless of the amount of damage you inflict upon your assailant be looked upon as "deadly force." >> Oh big ten four on that one . Guess what folks it's time for Animal to piss off all sorts of people time! One of the things I really have to work on when kali players come to my knife class is getting them past the idea of multible hits with a knife. Bad idea folks. I cannot tell you how ingrained the idea of slip and then slash slash slash is to most player's who come through my door. Thing is it is hard to convince a jury that you were in fear for your life when you slashed the dude fourteen times. You can get away with using a knife for self-defense, if you hit and move. In other words slip to the 45 and cut as you get the hell out of Dodge. One wound and running from a wounded attacker is easier to explain as self-defense than 10 cuts on a body and you standing over it. I know I know...what about all the times you are trapped, what about mutliple opponents what about the 27 ninjas with Uzis jumping you in a blind alley and all the other what ifs I so often hear about. Honestly, few are the situations where you can't escape, and fewer are the people who can effectively chase you bleeding out from having their Lats and intercostal muscles sliced open. I don't care how much PCP the guy is on you stay ahead of him for a few minutes and he won't be able to chase you much longer than that. ------------------------------ From: Patrick Davies Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 09:05:26 -0000 Subject: eskrima: 5 or 4 fingers and a thumb! Or slipped with the twirl...ouch ; ) From: AnimalMac@aol.com << What about those of us with only 5 fingers? >> Oops...see why I always failed math? :D ------------------------------ From: bakayaru@pipeline.com Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 08:53:18 -0500 Subject: eskrima: some notes on 2 day Dr. Gyi Bando monk seminar Hello, I've been very busy with my family and work and have not trained as hard as I should be and am behind on the ED! However, I had an opportunity to attend a Dr. Gyi seminar and did. I would like to share with the list. - ----- From the flyer: The legendary Grandmaster Dr. Maung Gyi will be conducting a Burmese Bando Mandalay Monk seminar in New York City on Saturday Oct 30 and Sunday Oct 31, 1999. Saturday will focus on the Burmese double sword system (mindon pongyi dha akha) as well as a buddhist monk sword meditation form. In Ancient Burma, many battles were fought with single or double dhas among warring tribes in the region against the Chinese, Indians, Mongols, Thais. Portugese, English, Japanese and others. Skills in the use of the dhas were important to every warrior going into combat. Not only did the dhas have a military focus but also a composite internal practice for cultivating internal strength through mediation, breathing and form practice. Sunday will feature Min Zin, a practice similar to chinese chi gong and Letha Yoga. Different forms of yoga and Bando were taught and practiced together for several thousand years at numerous monasteries in northern Burma. Some of the yoga systems were similar to Tantric Yoga, Hatha yoga and Buddhi yoga. Yoga then was practiced to achieve spiritual, mental and physical development for both the laymen and the monks. According to several historical records, Bando Yoga is concerned with self defense from internal, external and psychic threats. For those who expressed interest in ginastica naturale or the kempo exercises and yogic practices currently in vogue with the bjj stylists can see first hand the utility of this practice used by warriors for thousands of years. This synergy of mind, body and spirit is the pillar of southeast asian martial arts specifically the thai and burmese warrior arts. The term Bando is derived from the Ancient Pali language and means self discipline. It can also have several other meanings and interpertations. It was interpertated to mean self development, self improvement, and self realization. Over centuries, it came to mean self defense or self protection. - -------------------------------------- My notes: Day 1 - Double Dha (long swords) *WOW* just got back from the seminar. Dr. Gyi's knowledge is INCREDIBLE! His anecdotes about using his skills for real are awesome! Anyone who has a chance to catch his seminars will not regret it. - ---philosophy--- We did the Mindon Monk system with the dha/double dha which is a sword which is about 3' and about 3 lbs. The philosophy and history that Dr. Gyi imparted were very interesting, especially the philosophy. I sort of thought about this part before, but Dr. Gyi organized and presented it very clearly. The general philosophy of the MA can be compartmentalized into High and Low emotions, Hard and Soft intent. The Monk system is Soft and High, which is very hard. That is to say, your opponents are trying to kill you and you are not trying to harm him permanently using the soft techniques. Very difficult and probably one of the highest levels of MA. It's a 3-D matrix, start out by drawing a plus sign. On the top of the vertical line, represents high emotional control (not easily angered, etc.) and the bottom of the vert. line represents low emotional control (easily angered, etc.) The left of the horizontal line represents Hard (techniques and intent) and the right represents Soft (control techniques and non-intent to hurt). Most MA styles are in the Low and Hard quadrant. The monk system is in the upper right quandrant. Since this is a 3-D model, the extra axis represents Pain from Temporary to Permanent. So most styles teach Low/Hard/Permanent pain. - ---dha--- My interest is in stickgrappling and I've been training just the stickfighting skills for now, working on getting decent at that before going on to grappling and stickgrappling. My right-handed single stick is decent (well, actually it's sub-par to many of the ED), my left is almost non-existent. My double sticks (sinawali) sucks. I train with 28" rattan sticks. With that said, I saw some parallels with the double dha system with the FMA, specifically the Dog Brothers material from the Panther vids. There was one combo with the single dha that was very similar to Top Dog's seguida twirl which he does to protect himself after a #1 (aka caveman). However, I had problems doing this move with the replica of the dha, because, what I "got away" with with a rattan stick (i.e., my bad habit) I could not get away with with a sword. I would've cut myself. Also the dha was 3' long. The diff. is that you add in a thrust, whereas Top Dog twirled it to protect his front. Also, the blocks were PT's Four Walls with the DBMA roof and umbrella added. I came away from this experience realizing my left hand needs work, my double sticks need work, plus, I should train with a sword once in awhile instead of only a stick. The form is very short and are broken up into sets. Each set represents something, e.g., 1st set is uprooting the negative thoughts, so you raise your knee as you do an upward figure 8. I will take time off from my stick training to do some dha training. This hopefully will enhance my sinawali skills. Dr. Gyi who is about 75 yrs old is still fluid and smooth and fast! He slowed down for us to get the basic drills and form down. When he sped up, he was grace in motion! He chuckled at our frustration when doing the techniques left-handed and did not mind demonstrating the moves again for us a few times more. It was beautiful to watch him do the moves and combos. He is an inspiration! He also said personally he is moving away from the Hard (intent) and Low (emotional control) which most MA are, to the monk system of Soft and High. He has started an organization already and is about 300 members. Day 2 - Yoga If you get a chance check out the yoga taught by Dr. Gyi of the Amercian Bando Association. I just came back from a seminar and the yoga Dr. Gyi taught was more geared to martial artists. The dichotomy of heal/hurt was never more evident when many of the moves were just like submission techniques! Talk about yin/yang, 2 sides of the coin, etc. Perhaps I'm using dichotomy wrong, basically, it was a very fine line between heal and hurt with the yoga techniques. Dr. Gyi showed the health aspects of Letha yoga and then he showed briefly how the same move used for healing could be used combatively. *WOW* Letha yoga is partner assisted and this is the system he personally uses to maintain his health and used to recover from his torture and 6 war-time injuries (torture, shrapnel, bullet, etc). He is a veteran of WWII, Vietnam, and Korean wars. By today's Western medical standards, he is 85% disabled. He refuses to believe it and is 75 yrs old. Although most of the seminar was partner assisted, he showed us some of the solo variations using a sash. He mentioned that great founders of some of today's systems who either died before they were 60 or in their 60's such as Robert Trias, Ed Parker, and Mas Oyama could not even walk. He is 75 and can still walk. Health maintenance is very important to a MAist. I'm not aware if he has any commercial books or videos (I think he has for his private association members - trying to keep his stuff non-commercialized), but if there is a seminar near you, any chance you get, check out Dr. Gyi. Very best, Hy ------------------------------ From: KarateAmn@aol.com Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 10:06:15 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #457 In a message dated 10/29/1999 8:02:03 PM Central Standard Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Subject: eskrima: Anyone in Minnesota? >> Person in Eau Claire is Shawn McCarthy at Karate American Altoona. He is instructing students in a kali style. In Chippewa Falls Roy Gay is instructing in the Inayan system of Escrima. Stranger in Wisconsin ------------------------------ From: "Roland Lee " Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 10:51:12 -0500 (EST) Subject: eskrima: RE: Sayoc Kali Seminar Hello, everybody. For anybody who's interested, there is going to be a Sayoc Kali seminar just outside of Philadelphia on December 5. The relevant information is provided below: SAYOC Kali The Art of the Blade KNIFE FIGHTING SEMINAR on December 5 , 1999 An Introduction to the Filipino Blade Art SAYOC KALI The seminar will be presented by 5th generation Tuhon Chris Sayoc SAYOC KALI is an ALL BLADE -- ALL THE TIME, Art from the Philippines The purpose of this training is to introduce and bridge information from the ALL BLADE system of SAYOC KALI and to have an actual feel and realistic appreciation of these types of knife threats. The Sayoc Kali system emphasizes the correct and effective usage of the blade without the primal or offhand reflexive responses which are more likely to occur and aggressive movements that are unfamiliar to you. Sayoc Kali training includes the knowledge of how to use a single knife, with a progression to the use of multiple blades, in conjunction with empty-hands training. Knife fighting is an educated fighter's territory, the more informed you are, the better your chances will be. We are pleased to invite you to participate. Thank you and we hope to see you there. Time: 10am-3pm with a 1 hour lunch break Location: Upper Darby Boxing Gym in Upper Darby, Pennsylvania Call: Tom Kier at (610) 716-5013 Directions: >From I-95, Pennsylvania Turnpike, or Schuykill Expressway (Route 76): Take Route 476 (Blue Route) to exit 4. Go east on Rt. 3 (West Chester Pike) toward Upper Darby and Philadelphia, 3.5 miles to 7241 West Chester Pike, Upper Darby Fire House # 3. We are on the second floor in the rear of the firehouse. Cost: $40 at the door Equipment: Comfortable training attire, 2 or more training daggers, sneakers and safety glasses. Training daggers will be available for purchase. Please note that LIVE blades will not be allowed on the floor and there will be NO VIDEO TAPING allowed. For more information: e-mail -- LIVEBLADE@aol.com Gumagalang With Respects, Thomas Kier - -- If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you. Roland S. Lee Materials Science and Engineering University of Pennsylvania rlee@eniac.seas.upenn.edu ------------------------------ From: "Kevin Davis" Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 14:26:02 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Combat Fitness Reference the ongoing thread about combat fitness, from my contacts in the military spec ops and trainers of same, all are interested in changing the way they train for combat. Consider the following: Duration of Effort 0-5 30 60 90 - ---------------------------------------------------- Contribution of Anerobic Mechanisms 96 75 50 35 Aerobic Mechanisms 4 25 50 65 *Considering that most fights last less than two minutes the bulk of your performance will be based on anerobic fitness. When a friend went to Hereford, England to train the British Special Air Service he noticed that they were off-loading literally "tons" of free weights. Now the S.A.S.are known as some of the top spec ops operators in the world. Their stamina is legendary. When my friend queried his hosts they said something to the effect that the SAS could run all day but couldn't fight when they got there. They were addressing the need for "combat fitness." An exercise physiologist and specialist in combat fitness states: "The rationale for a modified approach to combat/confrontation conditioning is based upon the following: -the skillful execution of a technique requires a powerful delivery to minimize the duration and maxmimise the success of the encounter -given the above, metabolic contributions are 90% ATP - PC/Lactic Acid +10% oxidative He goes on, "...the proposal is to emphasize plyometric and interval training which focuses of the single, powerful event such as empty hand strike, kick...as well as sustained (<2 min.) confrontation. Specific high intensity anaerobic training: increases strength; increases ATP - PC and lactic acid enzymes; increases efficiency of movement; increases aerobic energetics; increases lactic acid tolerances, production and removal. As I remember the use of Creatine increases ATP (Adenosine Triphosphate & Phosphocreatine) which is called the basic energy for force production. *Please consult a nutritionist or exercise physiologist for more precise info! One of the toughest work-outs I have done is the Meyers Dumbbell Training System: Dumbbell Flies 1 minute; max.reps; 35 lbs. dumbbells Half Squats 1 minute; max.reps; 35 lbs. dumbbells Military Press 1 minute; max.reps; 25 lbs. dumbbells Leg Extensions or Calf raises 1 minute; max.reps; 25 lbs. dumbbells Hammer Curls 1 minute; max.reps; 15 lbs. dumbbells *Based on a bench press of 250 lbs., adjust weights accordingly. *The practitioner should take no more than a 15 second break between sets and maintain circuit for 20 minutes. An average circuit consists of (5) continuous sets of the five different exercises. ***Not for the feint of heart! Hope this info helps, KD ------------------------------ From: "Kevin Davis" Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 14:25:56 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Steinbeck's Quote As I referred to on a previous post, John Steinbeck's full quote is, "This is the law: The purpose of fighting is to win! There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield, and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental." KD ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 11:48:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #464 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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