From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #467 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Fri, 5 Nov 1999 Vol 06 : Num 467 In this issue: Re: eskrima: Combat Fitness eskrima: Re: Training sticks eskrima: Cooperative Learning Exchange: Underwater Self Defense eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #466 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #466 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #466 eskrima: Re: slash and burn eskrima: Re: Scary Jow eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #466 eskrima: eskrima: eskrima: SAD NEWS eskrima: self defence and knives eskrima: Re: SAD NEWS eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! 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Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Terry Tippie Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 12:33:30 -0800 Subject: Re: eskrima: Combat Fitness >From: "Kevin Davis" >Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 14:26:02 -0800 >Subject: eskrima: Combat Fitness > >Reference the ongoing thread about combat fitness, from my >contacts in the military spec ops and trainers of same, all >are interested in changing the way they train for combat. >Consider the following: > Duration of Effort > 0-5 30 60 90 >-------------------------------------------------------- >Contribution >of Anerobic >Mechanisms 96 75 50 35 > >Aerobic >Mechanisms 4 25 50 65 > >*Considering that most fights last less than two minutes the >bulk of your performance will be based on anerobic fitness. > This is right on. I would add the following comments: A lot of fights don't even last 10 seconds, so you would think that your conditioning level would need to be much less. However, this doesn't really seem to be true. When you think you're gonna die the effect of fear will rob you of energy faster and more completely than intense anaerobic exertion. While I don't know the physiology of it I do understand that your body goes into hyper-drive such that 1 minute later you are panting, shaking and exhausted. (I think it went something like a huge adrenaline in-rush and several other physiological changes wind up using huge amounts of nutrients like Vitamin 'C', etc.--I kinda need help with the physiology part.) Pursuing a similar line of thought a few years ago, I asked a few of the Filipino old guys how they felt back in the war when they had to fight hand-to-hand with the Japanese. Both and Mano Cacoy Canete responded with similar observations. They both said that they would get the shakes real bad after a fight. They also said that if you are killing people every day for a few weeks you kind of get used to it. But if you take a leave you loose that and are right back where you started, shaking like crazy. I would assert that anaerobic training can help you cope with the stress of an intense fight. There are also other strategies for remaining calm and conserving your energy in the moments before the fight that seem to help. It is for this reason that Thai fighters and boxers put a lot of emphasis into resting (16 hours of sleep), and conserving their energy (massage) the day before and the day of a fight. One thing I noticed right away is that training under conditions of anaerobic stress is painful. It totally kicks your butt when you first start doing it and takes a while to build up. (Note: it can be dangerous if the student isn't in shape to handle the stress. Please see a doctor first.) In fact, all of the people I know that do this type of training build a good aerobic baseline first. I think it is a good idea to look at the training methods of people who do anaerobic training: sprinters, bicyclists, etc. You also are not loosing weight like you would in your aerobic zone, but instead build muscle. >When a friend went to Hereford, England to train the British >Special Air Service he noticed that they were off-loading >literally "tons" of free weights. Now the S.A.S.are known >as some of the top spec ops operators in the world. Their >stamina is legendary. When my friend queried his hosts they >said something to the effect that the SAS could run all day >but couldn't fight when they got there. They were >addressing the need for "combat fitness." > >An exercise physiologist and specialist in combat fitness >states: "The rationale for a modified approach to >combat/confrontation conditioning is based upon the >following: > -the skillful execution of a technique requires a powerful >delivery to minimize the duration and maxmimise the success >of the encounter > -given the above, metabolic contributions are 90% ATP - >PC/Lactic Acid +10% oxidative When you're above 90% you're just about ready to puke. Heh, I can still hear the voice of Ajarn Chai booming into my ear as he placed a large garbage can in front of me, "If you have to puke, puke into this. Then get back to your position and keep kicking!!" By the way, the U.S. Navy seals have trained Muay Thai for years, and now the Marines are incorporating this same training into their bootcamp, in part because of the anaerobic conditions of the training. The Dallas Cowboys did the same all through the 1980s up until the time they fired Tom Landry. >He goes on, "...the proposal is to emphasize plyometric and >interval training which focuses of the single, powerful >event such as empty hand strike, kick...as well as sustained >(<2 min.) confrontation. Specific high intensity anaerobic >training: increases strength; increases ATP - PC and lactic >acid enzymes; increases efficiency of movement; increases >aerobic energetics; increases lactic acid tolerances, >production and removal. > < >*The practitioner should take no more than a 15 second break >between sets and maintain circuit for 20 minutes. An >average circuit consists of (5) continuous sets of the five >different exercises. > I'll give you an example of what we are doing these days. I took the following from my notes on last Monday's Muay Thai workout in the beginner class at Fairtex. (The more advanced guys do more rounds and have a professional holder. Their combos are shorter but have much more, um, shall we say, 'forced improvisation' as a result of the pad holder's intense offensive feeding.) ______________________________________________________________ Round 1) Skip knees 3 minutes 30 seconds rest Rounds 2, 3, 4, 5) L Jab, L leg shield, 2 right kicks, Low L hook, Low L hook, high L hook, cross, R.H. elbow shield, L knee, L elbow, R elbow, push, 2 L kicks. Last 30 seconds of each round skip knees. (The funky combos w/ triple hits are something that Kun Kru Ganyao likes a lot) 30 seconds rest in between each round, same person kicks all the time. Then after the last round right away with no rest: 50 kicks left, 50 kicks right. Then switch it over to the other guy. _______________________________________________________________ Do two or three of those workouts a night along with 15 minutes of jump rope plus shadow boxing for every hour class and (*with a roll of a snare drum and a blaring of trumpets*) congratulations, you are a successful beginner. Regards, Terry Tippie Pacifica, CA, USA ------------------------------ From: "Dave Huang" Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 12:49:18 PST Subject: eskrima: Re: Training sticks From: "Lars" Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 13:04:14 -0600 (CST) Subject: eskrima: training sticks Next I have a question. I go to a small school in north Minnesota that has just recently started. We have just started to do full speed sparring and want to make our own training/soft sticks. My teacher has been experimenting with PVC pipe, foam, and duct tape, but after we did some grappling with these sticks, they were bent and broken. Does anyone have any ideas that might work or have worked for them in the past? Lars: Do not use PVC pipe, they will break and splinter even when wrapped. When they break, my experience is that they leave sharp edges which are dangerous. When making training sticks, consider the following: 1) Buy sticks from Lameco Eskrima International. These sticks are very good. Some people do not advocate using them for sparring. I have sparred with them and they are fine. They break if the sparring is really hard, just like anything. Info on Lameco and link to site: www.members.tripod.com/~lameco 2) Use rattan, not dowels. Dowels will break and splinter. That is not good. If you use rattan, wrap them with foam used to wrap plumbing with. You can get that stuff at Home Depot. 3) One method I have found to work okay is to buy some cloth, heavy duty cotton stuff. Essentially, what you will be constructing is like a tube which will be closed off at both ends. Slide in the foam wrapped rattan stick and close off the ends with thread and needle. 4) Just spar with the bare stick, but use lighter weights of sticks. Dave ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: TaoArt@aol.com Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 16:22:54 EST Subject: eskrima: Cooperative Learning Exchange: Underwater Self Defense Cooperative Learning Exchange: Underwater Self Defense On Monday, December 6th, Guard Up, Inc. and the Waltham Athletic Club in Waltham, MA will be hosting a "Cooperative Learning Exchange" with specialists from different communities. The subject of this gathering will be Underwater Self Defense. An open invite is available to any martial artists and self defense practitionners who specialize in grappling and control techniques. As well, we welcome any police, coast guard, lifeguards and scuba instructors who would be interested in learning about this subject. We will be meeting at the Waltham Athletic Club at 8:00PM on Monday, December 6th. We will be practicing techniques in the pool WHILE wearing street clothes, so bring an extra set of dry clothes for after. There is a $10 facility fee for use of the pool and showers/lockerrooms. Please keep in mind: The purpose of this meeting is to exchange and develop ideas regarding self defense in an underwater environment. This is NOT a competitive or "free for all" course. There will be a high priority placed upon safety for particpants. Due to the risky nature of this environment, any actions that are not in keeping with safety precautions will result in expulsion from the class. This course will be documented with underwater video and might receive a bit of press coverage from local television and/or newspaper. This is a great opportunity to meet many of the area's experts and be a part of developing a program that could save lives. Bring your brain but leave your ego at the door. For more information, or to register for participation, call Guard Up, Inc. at (781) 271-1491 or email guardup@guardup.com. For directions to the WAC facility, visit our website at www.guardup.com. ------------------------------ From: SReiter000@aol.com Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 16:42:55 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #466 Marc denny writes: << Eric just posted about my being a purple, but it needs to be understood that this is a "geezer's purple"-- it only means I can roll with many of the young blues, which given my age is not bad -- but the big young strong ones do tend to stomp my ancient butt. >> Crusty dog - (you said you're a geezer, didn't you) - I'm probably the last guy in the world who would pay you a compliment - and although it pains to do it now i have to admit I asked renato magno about your bjj skill level - he said that a) it took you a long time to get where your at now (you said this as well), that you like to cheat (nothing i didnt know from training with you in kali) and ready for the complainant - he said that you are actually at purple belt skill level and you know a boat load of techniques - so until we roll i'll just have to take his word for it - steve reiter ------------------------------ From: SReiter000@aol.com Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 16:51:14 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #466 << From: "Lars" Next I have a question. I go to a small school in north Minnesota that has just recently started. We have just started to do full speed sparring and want to make our own training/soft sticks. My teacher has been experimenting with PVC pipe, foam, and duct tape, but after we did some grappling with these sticks, they were bent and broken. Does anyone have any ideas that might work or have worked for them in the past?> - try some fiberglass like the stuff that fishing poles are made from - or the core from a riding crop as the core for your stick - - durable and pliable - dont know where to get it - however i've used purchased soft stick's made with this and they work great - as far as the foam - i've home made several using pipe insulation and it works great - can pick it up at any home inprovement or hardware store steve ------------------------------ From: MdlAgdLftr@aol.com Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 17:08:03 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #466 To AnimalMac... You are dead on the money concerning your attempts to educate the members here on the legal ramifications they can and will face when using knives for self-defense. As an officer of the court for the past 15 years, I applaud your efforts. Most people will never have to face a self-defense situation lethal enough to consider taking another life in any other arena other than their minds. We can imagine all sorts of scenarios in which we have to draw our knives to protect the lives and or virtues of our loved ones, but one point that most don't even consider is that after you have slashed/stabbed your opponent into submission, the first question the judge (and you will face a judge) will ask is why you were carrying a knife for self-defense in the first place. As you so eloquently stated Mac, the courts view a knife as a thug's weapon (I'm taking about tactical knives here, not a pocket knife, let's not get into semantics here, please consider what I am trying to convey). Judges aren't ignorant, they deal with the scum of the earth every day, and know how dangerous the streets are. But, the feelings of the legal community are such that if you feel the need to carry a weapon to defend yourself, you should apply for a gun permit, and carry a weapon that is legally acceptable for defense. A person who goes to the trouble of learning how to handle a gun and applies for a permit to carry said weapon isn't likely to draw that weapon unless he feels he has no other choice. A person packing a blade, in the eyes of the court, is probably just looking for an excuse to whip it out and take on the neighborhood thug. This isn't conjecture on my or on Mac's part, folks, this is what you will face after using a knife on the street. If such an incident occurs, you had better be able to prove that you did everything in your power to avoid the confrontation before resorting to stabbing someone, that you had no other choice but to use deadly force, and that you did not participate in overkill. The legal definition of acceptable use of force is "using only enough force to overcome the resistance being offered." Anything beyond this smacks of vigilante justice, something the judge will take an extremely dim view of once you are in front of him/her trying to explain your actions. Kim Satterfield ------------------------------ From: "Steven Drape" Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 16:54:45 PST Subject: eskrima: Re: slash and burn >In > other words slip to the 45 and cut as you get the hell out of Dodge. One > wound and running from a wounded attacker is easier to explain as > self-defense than 10 cuts on a body and you standing over it.>> This will probably annoy some people who diligently practice these slash and burn knife drills, but I'd like to suggest that these are not how most combat-ready systens use the knife to fight. These techniques come from the sensitivity drills that are so common, the pass and slash the arm, then pass back and slash again, etc. In a real deadly encounter, if you can not avoid the fight, then there wouldn't be all those slashes. A knife kills by stabbing, and if one is training in an effective knife system, that is the goal. To end the fight the quickest way possible. There might be one slash on the arm as he attacks, but the next offensive move should be a serious one. A fight where the attacker has cuts all over him but no major stab wounds simply means that the person making the slashes didn't know what he was doing, OR couldn't bring himself to take that step, and that goes back to previous posts concerning why one would carry the knife if he is not prepared to use it. Steve ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: JYCHOW@au.oracle.com Date: 05 Nov 99 18:22:19 +1100 Subject: eskrima: Re: Scary Jow Dear all, >I wanna say this before I forget it. Someone posted that they >know of a jow that contains apricot and peach pits as well as >aconite. Well, the reason apricot and peach pits are incredibly >bitter is because they contain potassium. Potassium cyanide >that is. And I can't remember what, but it seems like there is >something bad about aconite as well. What if you had a little >tiny cut on your hand? > I am a traditional Chinese and although I am not a Chinese doctor, I know a tiny bit about Chinese medicine and feel I need to comment on such controversies. Many medicines, whether Eastern or folk or Western, contain poisons in varying quantities. In fact, many of the foods we eat contain many undesireables which you do not know, and I suggest, you don't want to know. I come from a family which used to have many Western medical connections (my father had only 1 job - as a nurse all his life). There is a doctor living in my house right now. Even he says - when you go buying food in the= supermarket, don't read into the labels too much. Otherwise, you can not buy anything to eat! Now, back to Chinese herbs............ Some Chinese herbs have arsenic and mercury. Yes, apricot kernels do have small quantitities of poison. However, apricot and peach kernels are not a 'strange' and 'non-standard' or 'way-out' quack type of prescriptions in Chinese medicine. They are VERY common in Chinese prescriptions. Go to ANY Chinese doctor or herbal shop and you will know. It is standard part of TCM. Just as antibiotics, pencillin, vaccines, and all sorts of Western drugs are part of standard Western Medical practices. Western drugs also kill pathogens like bacteria, viruses, etc,,, don't they? Don't you know that these pathogens are stronger than your body and the drugs can kill them? Just think how poisonous they could be to your bodies then. Why howl and howl about Chinese herbs? (I am not saying you are - the Western trained doctors and biochemists are etc are making a loud noise, and they influence public opinion and make scare tactics) Further more, there is the principle of 'using a small poison to fight a big poison'. Certain naturally occurring poisons in small quantities are used in all types of folk medicines to provoke the body's reaction to fight a similar poison. That is why traditional herbal remedies take so long to heal the illness. It is done in small quanties, over time....... Western medicine tends to take the fight to a head-on. When Western medicine views talks about poisons in Chinese herbs, they automaticsly and subconsciously talk as if it was ingested in large quantities like they way our 'great' medical profession does. Of course the conclusion is negative! Although, I must state - hey! Wait a minute.... the drugs of Western medicine are quite poisonous too. Why prescribe them if Chinese medicine is criticised for a smaller offence? By the way, that 'small poison against big poison' principle is exactly exploited in Western vaccinations! A proper TCM doctor should know the contraindications of such common herbs and prescribes them with this view, the risks are minimised. If you wish to be cautious, always ask the TCM doctor who is prescribing. And.... I don't think you will die from touching apricot and peach kernels. By the way, apricot and peach kernels have blood moving and dispersing qualities. That is why they can be prescribed for blood stasis in bruises. What you should be concerned about are 'quick, dirty and fast' cheap type of substitutes that are quite poisonous and therefore are applied= only externally, and not ingested. Do not ingest such types that are meant for external application. (As far as I know, peach and apricot kernels are ingestible - at the prescribed dosage, of course) Oh.... another thing, Chinese medicine also frequently use insects and animals. eg. beetles, coachroaches etc. If Western science think that this is unhygienic and unhealthy, that is okay. I am the one to take them, your glorious all knowing doctors need not be concern. :):) I am not a Chinese medical doctor so I am not an authority on such things. What I have said, is just my opinion from growing up in a Chinese context. 'A herb growing wild is a weed; cultivated,it is a herb' 'A poisonous herb taken without control is a poison; prescribed by an authentic doctor, it is medicine that heals' Think about that............ Cheers! John Chow Melbourne Australia ------------------------------ From: "Jon Howard" Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 09:43:05 -0000 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #466 Crafty wrote: > But in empty >hand a big strong angry f&!ker (or wa#*er as they say in the UK) can be a >handful. Not saying it can't be done, but , , , , > Oops, you might want to check your vernacular there Marc, We have big strong angry f**kers here in the UK as well, AND if you just happen to call him (or her) a wa**er, then you've really got a fight on your hands. Remember the "what do you call a Moro" thread.... Jon... ------------------------------ From: BUCKLANDCraig@qesmansfield.schoolzone.co.uk Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 12:45:38 -0000 Subject: eskrima: How do I use kendo sticks? ------------------------------ From: BUCKLANDCraig@qesmansfield.schoolzone.co.uk Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 12:46:57 -0000 Subject: eskrima: How do I use Kendo sticks? ------------------------------ From: GatPuno@aol.com Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 08:03:05 EST Subject: eskrima: SAD NEWS I regret to inform you all that my mother, Marcelina Salazar Baet, passed away last night (Friday morning Philippines time). She was hospitalized last October 24th and during her stay she suffered a stroke resulting in intercranial bleeding. I, along with my wife, daughter, & mother-in-law, will be leaving for the Philippines to attend services. I hope you all may keep my mother in your prayers as we lay her to rest. Thank you all & God bless, Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet ------------------------------ From: brosterj@qesmansfield.schoolzone.co.uk Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 13:04:30 -0000 Subject: eskrima: self defence and knives Hi perhaps i should introduce myself to the list. I live in England and i train in Rapid Arnis and Harimau Silat.I am the Nottinghamshire rep. for WEKAF. I have been reading the stuff about knife defence and i thought i would add my two penny worth too it. A couple of years ago i went to a course with Bram Frank here in England. It was being promoted by a HAPKIDO group as madern stick and knife and i was looking for a different (Korean) twist on things. It turned out to be modern arnis but it was a good course, mr Frank is very good. After he had watched me and a friend training for a while he commented:" Heh, you guys sure kill each other good! " as we went for standard targets; throat etc. What he said made a lot of sense. By the time you are an adult you have cut your self a few times, maybe stood on a piece of glass, you have never been disembowelled or had your throat cut. Now imagine yourself in court having been charged following your knife self defence; your defence says that you were fearing for your life and all you did was cut his arm, those jurors can all sympathise with that. Now imagine some little pencil neck prosecutor saying that his client was only asking for a few coins for a cup of coffee and what did you do? You cut his throat and spilled his guts out on the road; horrific injuries that would appaul any reasonable person. I train a little differently now, it makes sense to me. Mabuhay Jon. ------------------------------ From: "Al \"Got This Fish On The Move\"" Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 08:50:45 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Re: SAD NEWS My condolences go out to Gat Puno Baet and his family. I had the pleasure of meeting Guro's mother last year when I visited the Philippines. She was very spirited and most youthful. I remember on our walking trip in the mountains some of us found it amazing how much energy she had. She even carried a bolo. May she be in peace as she walks the Streets of Gold with her husband. Sincerely, Al Sardinas Student of Garimot System of Arnis ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 06:58:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #467 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com in directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan Eskrima, and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.