From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #470 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Sun, 7 Nov 1999 Vol 06 : Num 470 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #469 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #469 eskrima: Doce Pares GB Spring Camp 2000 eskrima: Re: Mas Ayoob/Legal eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #469 eskrima: PTI Link eskrima: Strength Training eskrima: Nothing cute eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan Eskrima, and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AnimalMac@aol.com Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 10:26:58 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #469 In a message dated 11/6/99 7:15:10 AM Mountain Standard Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Modern law and general morality seem to have digressed. Apparently, the law believes that a threat stops when the perpetrator has been thwarted. So, if the perpetrator runs to his car to get a gun, you can't roll 'em until he gets the gun. Otherwise, you'll be prosecuted for assault on a citizen fleeing the scene of a crime. >> Gawd, I'm going to sound like a cheerleader...one thing that Mas mentioned in his class that crystalized something I had vaguely understood for a long time, but never put my finger on: In the eyes of the law, it isn't you and a dirt bag, it is two citizens in dispute. Both have equal rights, both are equally innocent until it is proven otherwise in court. That is one of the biggest hairballs that you will be facing in court. Until it is shown otherwise, you will both be considered innocent. Now realize that for years I hated the definition of self-defense and how squirrely it seemed. Now however, I am beginning to see why it is rigged the way it is. A) people lie B) violence seldom happens among nice people C) people who engage in violence usually are doing something else wrong and D) both sides will immediately claim it was self-defense, regardless of what was really going on. Realize that the current SD laws are written to keep people who were really doing nasty stuff from using it as an excuse. If it was self-defense why'd you do a Berkely Stomp on him? The guy can say anything, the question is what was he doing? What a whole lot of MA instructors don't realize is that they are in fact giving out REALLY bad legal information when they teach thier so-called self-defense. I mean things like: break away, step back into a fighting stance and that means it's self-defense. Snapping the guy's neck from a rear choke hold is only to be done in self-defense. Submission stances then sucker punching the guy is self-defense. etc etc (I'm not making these up folks, all of these are real things I have seen taught) ------------------------------ From: AnimalMac@aol.com Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 10:36:20 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #469 In a message dated 11/6/99 7:15:10 AM Mountain Standard Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << I would like to believe that the defender was thinking about the possible future consequences (the judge) when dealing with a life-threatening situation, but I'm afraid that doesn't cut it with reality. Unless the individual is a hardcore, battle-tested warrior, he probably won't be thinking about anything in particular, and for sure not about the judge! >> Which is why so often he will go over the line. Face it folks, violence doesn't happen in a vacuum. You gotta keep this in mind, no matter how extreme the situation. How do you do it? Simple you intergrate and ingrain it in your training from the very beginning. Legal consquences of self-defense is NOT another form of bunkai. It needs to be there from the get go. This something that anyone who teaches martial arts, self-defense or whatever you call it needs to incorporate into their system -- and I mean from the start. Go out and talk to lawyers (not just one), baliffs, cops and DAs to get the wider legal ramifications about what you are teaching your students to do. Because they will suffer if you don't. Personally I would put this up into "you have a moral obligation to do this" land if you are an instructor. Okay, I'll get off my soapbox now. ------------------------------ From: "billlowery" Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 15:14:57 -0000 Subject: eskrima: Doce Pares GB Spring Camp 2000 Hi All, Just to let you all know (those in the UK at least) that the dates for next years North Eastern Doce Pares Spring Camp have been finalised as 15/16th April 2000. Costs this year are: in advance=£30.00 (w/e); £20 per day: On the door: £40.00/£25.00. More details as and when they are available. Bill "Some motherf**kers just don't know when to stop" Wesley Snipes- Blade ------------------------------ From: "Dave Huang" Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 07:52:39 PST Subject: eskrima: Re: Mas Ayoob/Legal Mas is well respected for what he does, however, to my knowledge, he is not an attorney. I am not sure who gives his legal section, if he does or not. To say that defense lawyers are trained to hide the truth and not defend the person on trial, well, no. That basically shows a narrow field of vision. Such broad generalizations are indicative of some greater philosophical difference or prejudice IMO. Furthermore, keep in mind that much of the "legal" sections for self defense courses are distilled versions of the law. You can only graze the surface of this topic in 1, 2, 3 hours. The intricacies of criminal law are many. Dave ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Patrick Christian" Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 16:56:53 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #469 Here's an rough opinion that I haven't seen in regards to knife defense: If a person attacks you with intent to kill; isn't it our duty as trained personnel to take the person out of the gene pool as it were? I'm thinking with regards to the next person that may be attacked by this nutcase. They may have no training, be female and or a child. I know we can't answer "what if's", but if you are attacked out of the blue (i.e. mugger/ rapist), then you can pretty well bet that you are not the first person to be attacked nor will you be the last. Unless you do something about it... Critiques? Thank you, PC Inayan School of Eskrima Lenoir City, TN ------------------------------ From: "BILL MCGRATH" Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 23:44:05 -0800 Subject: eskrima: PTI Link Hi to all, I was surfing the web last night and I found that several FMA web sites still had the old Pekiti-Tirsia International web site address (cecm.sfu.ca...etc) listed on their links page. I plan on contacting the administrators of the sites to give them the new address, but if I miss anyone and you have a link page on your site, the updated address for the Pekiti-Tirsia International web site is: WWW.PEKITI-TIRSIA.COM Thanks, Tuhon Bill McGrath ------------------------------ From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 23:32:00 EST Subject: eskrima: Strength Training After some of the discussion last week on strength training, I was asked about increasing strength, I thought some of the others on this list might also be interested. Much of the information comes from studying the Specialist in Martial Arts Conditioning couse offered by ISSA. There are different ways to catagorize strength, you can have absolute strength which is how much you can lift, and you can talk about relative strength, or strength per unit of bodyweight. So if two people can bench the same amount, they have the same absolute strength, but if one of these athletes weighs less, he has greater relative strength. All sports that have weight classes depend on relative strength, thus martial arts falls into this. Especially martial sports that have weight classes for competition. If you don't compete, it is still good to be as strong as you can be for your size. But if you don't have a weight limit, you may want to put on some muscle mass as well as get stronger and not worry about relative strength as much. There are two general categories of strength training methods. The bodybuilding method which is the hypertrophy method is the most commonly known. Strength is developed by apply stress to the muscle cells. The other category is the neurological method where you target the nervous system. With the bodybuilding method, you lift with a weight of about 70 to 80 percent of your one rep maximum. repetitions range anywhere from 5 to 12. This causes hypertrophy (increase in both gross muscle size as well as individual muscle cell size) and strength gains through an increase in muscle cross-section. In other words, you get stronger and bigger. If you have a 16 inch biceps and can curl X pounds for 10 reps, and you train till you can curl X+ pounds for 10 reps your strength and size will have increased. (How much size does depend on your genetics and such, but as a general rule with bodybuilding type training, the stronger you get, the bigger your muscles will be.) So, with this type of training your bodyweight increases, your absolute strength improves, but your relative strength may decrease because of the equation that relative strength is per unit of bodyweight. For martial artists and other athletes that rely on relative strength, bodybuilding methods should be used sparingly, unless a higher weight class is desired. Personally, unless you are competing at a weight class, I would not worry about putting on some pounds. Why not look good as well? The second method of improving strength is the neurological method, or the maximum weights method. With this method, you lift 85 to 100 percent of your one rep maximum for reps of 1 to 4. What this does is improve recruitment of existing muscle fibers, thus also improving strength. Bodyweight remains constant, but your absolute strength and relative strength increase. In a good periodization program, you will do both kinds of training, plus a couple others. There are many periodization programs or models. Periodization is simply planned variation in your training using a cyclic basis. You break your training into periods, or cycles, and if you are competing you plan these periods so that you "peak" when it counts, on competition day. If you do not compete, it is still wise to periodize your training to continue to improve, avoid overtraining, and to emphasize different attributes to improve upon. Here is a model based on some of Dr. Tudor Bompa's work. Period one: Adaptation. This just gets you ready. If you have never lifted before, this period will be longer than for the experienced lifter. A good way to train in the adaptation period is to lift at a low intensity (50-60% of your one rep max.) For 15 to 25 reps. Do the whole body three times a week. This is basically a circuit type fashion of training. It is good to lose some fat and get ready for some serious training to come. Period two: Hypertrophy. This is the bodybuilding method of training to increase lean body mass (muscle). If you are wanting to gain size, or move up a weight class, this period will be longer. If you don't want to increase your muscle mass or gain weight, this period is shorter. If you are already at the top of your weight class, and don't want to move up, you may have to skip this training altogether. (This is assuming you also have a low body fat level, since if you are carrying some fat, you can lose that, add some muscle and weight the same, but be a whole lot stronger and better. And while this training can be good to add into a martial artists training program, most martial artists are not bodybuilders, so you don't want to just train like a bodybuilder. This training can also cause an enlargement of the non-contractile elements of the muscle cell, such as sarcoplasm, connective tissue, and capillaries. This is called sarcoplasmic hypertrophy, and may account for why bodybuilders are not always as strong as you would expect for their size. Period three: Maximum Strength. This is the period where you train with the neurological method. The amount of time in this cycle depends on how much you need maximal strength. Full contact fighters will spend more time here than say a forms competitor. Like everything, your personal goals dictate how you should train. Period four: Conversion. Okay, you have been working on gaining this strength, but for what? Power lifting is the only sport where you are rewarded for maximal lifts. Being able to lift these heavy weights is not necessarily going to help with your martial arts. Martial arts, rather than requiring maximum strength, require speed-strength ( a type of strength often referred to as power, but actually incorporating starting strength, explosive strength, and reactive strength), and strength-endurance. Things like Power Cleans, Medicine ball work, and such using a weight that you can do 10 times, but performing sets of 5-6 with explosive type work can be used in this phase. Period five: Maintenance. This is the period where you maintain what you have worked for during the competitive season. Often this will be like the conversion period, but letting up a bit. Weight will be about the same, and maybe even a bit higher, but reps and sets will be less. You are not trying to improve at this point, rather just keep what you have. Period six: Transition. This is a period after your competitive season to rest and recuperate from the stresses of competition and high level training activities. It must be remembered that there is no one perfect training program. When you are designing a program, you must remember it is a matter of managing compromise. Different goals, different time schedules, different genetics, etcetera will play a roll on how you will improve. Yours in Training, Alain Burrese ------------------------------ From: "Bryan Justus" Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 07:09:01 PST Subject: eskrima: Nothing cute Animal writes: *Bottomline, superior firepower doesn't do any good if you don't have *a chance *to deploy it. It is a race folks. Your fighting skills and *techniques to stop *a bigger opponent won't help you if he gets a hold of you before you *can use *them. Conversely, if he can't get a hold of you then his superior *strength *and size won't help him. You can have all the technique, muscle or *philosophy *in the world and it still boils down to who gets nastiest and most *effective *the quickest. I couldn't agree with this statement more. I think that's why I respect and enjoy CDM/Balintawak, because its straight forward. Nothing cute or fancy. Get in hammer the guy and get out of dodge. I believe in a street fight you have to react like a light switch! When you flip that switch, its time to react right NOW! There's no time to shake hands, pray or get help from anyone. P.S. Not all pain is gain! Bryan Justus CDM/Pangamut Cuentada - Anciongs Balintawak ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 10:03:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #470 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com in directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan Eskrima, and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.