From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #471 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Mon, 8 Nov 1999 Vol 06 : Num 471 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #470 eskrima: question for the old guys :-) eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #470 eskrima: go directly to jail, do not pass go eskrima: Re: AC Joint eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #470 eskrima: Answer to the "gry" riddle asked awhile ago eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #469 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #470 eskrima: AMOK! Seminar eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #469 eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan Eskrima, and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "raleigh adams" Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 10:49:05 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #470 >Furthermore, keep in mind that much of the "legal" sections for self defense >courses are distilled versions of the law. You can only graze the surface of >this topic in 1, 2, 3 hours. The intricacies of criminal law are many. > IMHO,,,,added to the fact that as a LEO only departmentally approved or sanctioned blows or strikes may be used,,,anything else will get ;you eaten up by the defense atty,,,,it's really wonderful when a crazy violent person will allow you to apply a departmentally approved strike,,,,but it takes a lot of cooperation.hehehehe..you are a lot better off as a citizen when it comes to self defense,,,. Deputy R. Adams ------------------------------ From: Jay_Swan@flannet.middlebury.edu (Jay Swan) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 12:07:02 -0400 Subject: eskrima: question for the old guys :-) With so much talk lately of physical conditioning and how old everybody is :-), I thought I'd combine the two: what do the (relatively) older practitioners on the list recommend for training and injury prevention early on? What do you wish you'd started doing at 30? At 20? At 31 and doing martial arts only twice a week, I'm in substantially better shape than I was in my early 20's when I was training MA 4-6 times a week. This is because I spend a lot more time on straight conditioning than I used to: lifting, various types of cardio, etc. So while I'm stronger and have better endurance, I still notice (of course) that minor injuries last much longer than they did 10 years ago. In watching older athletes progress, I've noticed that a common pattern is to sustain a serious injury and then spend years, and potentially the rest of their athletic life recovering and dealing with the repercussions of it. So: any suggestions for training methods to prevent injuries in the long term, and recover once they do occur? Jay ------------------------------ From: MdlAgdLftr@aol.com Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 17:07:37 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #470 >>Here's a rough opinion I haven't seen in regard to self-defense: if a person attacks you with intent to kill, isn't it our duty as trained personnel to take the person out of the gene pool as it were? I'm thinking of the next person who may be attacked by this nutcase<< Geez, even the police can't get away with this ;-)...seriously, though, our judicial system is set up to be retroactive, not proactive. Granted, those of us in the field who deal with the scum every day can pretty much "predict" who is likely to hurt, maim, or worse once they hit the streets. A young man released from my facility just a year ago, a real slime who all that came in contact with knew that he was damned likely to eventually kill someone soon, just blew the brains out of a 17 year old kid over a supposed gang dispute. Although by all the signs he was not apt to begin making rational judgments, and it was just a matter of time before he committed the ultimate act, we still can't "take him out of the gene pool" (as much as I would have liked to, God knows he would not have been missed) to stop any acts he may commit in the future. Our system is set up to punish for what you do, not for what you are likely to do. Our only saving grace is the "3 strikes you're out" rule that is in place in many states now, in which after your third felony, you are down for the count. This is the only proactive stance we have taken so far in the court system. I do admit, though, that there are most definitely slime out there that society is better off without. But until they break a law, they are citizens the same as you and I, protected by the same Constitution, and enjoy the same freedoms...that is the price we pay for that "freedom," the fact that it applies to everyone. Kim Satterfield ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 17:41:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: go directly to jail, do not pass go > Here's a rough opinion I haven't seen in regard to self-defense: if a > person attacks you with intent to kill, isn't it our duty as trained > personnel to take the person out of the gene pool as it were? I'm thinking > of the next person who may be attacked by this nutcase... Yep, it is rough and way out of line. Do the above and imho you are no better than the 'nutcase' that attacked you. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "Sovann D. Pen" Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 20:59:52 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: AC Joint Hey Mike, I've had soreness on the AC joint on and off for the past three weeks; don't know if that qualifies of chronic yet ;). Frustrating thing is don't know how I did it, so it definately wasn't an "acute" injury. I assume it was grappling. Usually you get this injury from the shock of falling down with your arm outstretched elbow locked. (Come to think of it I did hit the deck alot at a tournament a few weeks ago, hmm). I just try to rest it when I notice it getting sore again. It's healing on it's own. Didn't ice or wrap it (although I'm sure it would've healed faster if I had). Best wishes, Sovann NW Karate for Christ ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ From: "Carlton H. Fung, D.D.S." Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 18:55:46 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #470 Funny stuff all this talk about the berkley stomp ,multiple escrima slashes as self defense and defensive MA or FMA. Real fighting is not fair. You will not have time to draw your knife on a real perp. He will be on you like flys on shit. He will ambush you. I don't care if you are Rigan Machado or Dan Inosanto. If you are playing checkers in a park with your kid and someone ambushes you and you are not paying attension you are toast. Granted you have a better chance if you are trained but how many of us are really trained. How many have of you computer punching dayjob going rent paying car insurance holding dads had had a street encounter in the last 5 years? I'm not talking about yelling at the guy who took your parking space at chucky cheese either. In the street you need defensive awareness not martial arts. Your spyderco may give you a nice sence of security but you' ll get more use out of it picking you finger nails and opening UPS boxes. Train for all the benefits that MA can give you. Don't be fooled into thinking it can save your life because you are the full contact NHB champ. Awareness is the key to survival. Testing your skills in a bar against drunks is not. Next time your wife puts the 2 year old in the back seat of her car with her ass sticking out you'll know what I mean by victim. No put downs intended to anyone who likes the berkley stomp of other modes of communication. Regards, carl ------------------------------ From: Mosi Jack Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 19:50:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: Answer to the "gry" riddle asked awhile ago Here's the website that gives the correct riddle solution. The wording has been corrupted over the years making this riddle below unsolvable. http://members.aol.com/WordPlays/gryriddle.html Hope this helps! ===== Have a Good Day! Mosi Jack __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "Jon Howard" Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 11:37:14 -0000 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #469 >So the question is "Can >knives be more humane weapons then guns because of this control factor? Would you >rather give your attacker a slash to the arm, face, leg etc... than put a bullet in >his brain to stop him from attacking you with a nonprojectile weapon if you must. Duh - couldn't you just shoot the guy in the leg ???? This is of course providing that the first time you pull a gun, you can actually focus on (let alone hit) a target smaller than the side of a building, I should imagine most people would miss the target by miles and probably plug some poor innocent sucker on the other side of the street - Friendly fire anyone! There was a study conducted a few years back that identified three major targets for dropping someone INSTANTLY with a gun (regardless of calibre), I can dig out more info if required. 1. The head. 2. The centre line of the body (the spinal cord) 3. The long bones of the legs (obviously 1 and 2 are more lethal than 3) I wonder how many "good 'ole boys" carry the biggest, meanest, baddest looking piece, with super hollow point wadcutting slugs as a way of "wanking (jacking off for you yanks) their ego". Jon... (heap big feather rustler) ------------------------------ From: "Jon Howard" Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 11:48:14 -0000 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #470 > >From: "Patrick Christian" >Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 16:56:53 -0500 >Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #469 > >Here's an rough opinion that I haven't seen in regards to knife defense: If >a person attacks you with intent to kill; isn't it our duty as trained >personnel to take the person out of the gene pool as it were? I'm thinking >with regards to the next person that may be attacked by this nutcase. They >may have no training, be female and or a child. I know we can't answer "what >if's", but if you are attacked out of the blue (i.e. mugger/ rapist), then >you can pretty well bet that you are not the first person to be attacked nor >will you be the last. Unless you do something about it... > >Critiques? > >Thank you, > Where the hell do you start responding to this one.!!!!!! What gives you the right to decide who should and should'nt live. I think your surname has gone to your head and quiet literally given your ideas way, Way, WAY, W A Y !!!!! above your station. The only response I would give to this post is to get some professional help (and I dont mean from a MA taeacher) - and buy an extra pair of flame proof shorts while your at it - your gonna need em Jon... ------------------------------ From: "Steven Lefebvre" Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 05:12:35 PST Subject: eskrima: AMOK! 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Larry McClure lmm@espsim.com lmm@unidot.com lmmm@theriver.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 06:54:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #471 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com in directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan Eskrima, and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.