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Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest         Thur, 11 Nov 1999         Vol 06 : Num 477

In this issue:

     eskrima: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #475
     eskrima: Re: police fired 41 shots and only 19 hit the suspect
     eskrima: Re:   Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #476
     Re: eskrima: Re: police fired 41 shots and only 19 hit the suspect
     eskrima: Fishkill, NY Pekiti seminar
     eskrima: "To MPEG or not to MPEG"
     eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #476
     eskrima: sometimes
     eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #470
     eskrima: Question on Pekiti
     eskrima: Legal wise...
     Re: eskrima: Legal wise...
     eskrima: .
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From: Sunny Graff <105605.2047@compuserve.com>
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 17:20:44 -0500
Subject: eskrima: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #475

>Pain is temporary.  Glory is forever.  Chicks dig scars.<

No, chicks scratch in the dirt. "Women" will do the Berkely stomp on your=

head if you don't show some respect.

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From: "Ted Truscott" <ttruscott@pacificcoast.net>
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:11:22 -0800
Subject: eskrima: Re: police fired 41 shots and only 19 hit the suspect

Strong reports that the national average is one hit for 4 shots fired...they
did pretty good!

Ted Truscott
The Fighting Old Man

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From: "Patrick Christian" <patchristian@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 18:11:19 -0500
Subject: eskrima: Re:   Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #476

<Hello. I'd like to comment on this here. I
<think Patrick does have a good point. I don't
<think he was advocating a 'vigilante' stance.
<It seems to me he was being philosophical about this sort of thing. Think
very hard <about it.

Exactly, I don't condone pre-thought vigilaties. However, I do think that
everyone here should think about what you would do and how far will you go,
ahead of time. That does not make you a vigilante; it makes you a boyscout
(or girlscout).
Moreover, the original statement may have contained a little bluntness and I
apologize for that.
For me and several others I am prepared to go the full distance if placed in
such a situation and I will not be thinking about the next person attacked,
the judge or the jury. I will be burning several gallons of adrenaline and
probably would not be able to speak a full sentance for a while.
I am glad that my instuctor, Lahong Guro Steve Klement I.S.E, makes his
students think about these situations and condones free-thought. As he told
me, it is better to think of these situations beforehand and not make a rash
decision that could bury you.

Thank you Shawn et.al,

PC
Inayan School of Eskrima
Lenoir City, TN


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From: Ray Terry <raymail>
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:54:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: eskrima: Re: police fired 41 shots and only 19 hit the suspect

> Strong reports that the national average is one hit for 4 shots fired...
> they did pretty good!
 
I've heard one in eight and one in six.  1 in 8 for LEOs, 1 in 6 for private
citizens.

Ray Terry
raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com

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From: "BILL MCGRATH" <tuhonbill@hvi.net>
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 20:16:59 -0800
Subject: eskrima: Fishkill, NY Pekiti seminar

I will be giving a Pekiti-Tirsia seminar in Fishkill, N.Y. on Saturday
November 13th.

Location: Estelle & Alfonso's Dance Studio
                 2206 Route 9
                 Fishkill, NY 12524

Time:       1 to 5 PM

Cost:       $40

Topic:      Practical skills in single stick, knife and empty hand.

Directions: Take I-84 to Exit 13. Go North a mile and a half. The dance
studio will be on your left.

Regards,
Tuhon Bill McGrath



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From: "BILL MCGRATH" <tuhonbill@hvi.net>
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 20:07:25 -0800
Subject: eskrima: "To MPEG or not to MPEG"

I am experimenting with adding a series of monthly MPEG video files to the
PTI web site. I would like the opinion of list members if this would be
better tool for viewing techniques over the web than a series of still
photos.  The files I'll be using are 2 megs in size and contain about 60
seconds of low res video (and surprisingly good sound). It is clear in a 2'
X 2' frame, but gets fuzzy when expanded to 4" X 4". I could use up the 2
megs with high res video that would look good at 4" X 4" but you would only
get 15 seconds for your 2 megs of download.  It took me about 10 minutes to
download the 2 meg experimental file off the PTI site at 40,000 bps. Is this
too long a download time or too large a file size for most systems?
How much hassle are you willing to go through to view a short video of a
technique over the internet?

When the Pekiti-Tirsia site first opened, I was told the technology for live
stream video was not up to speed to make it practical. Has live stream
improved sufficiently that it would solve the large file size/long download
problem of MPEG?

Thanks for your help,
Tuhon Bill McGrath



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From: Glenn J Smits <glenmar3@juno.com>
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 20:46:26 -0500
Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #476

AnimalMac@aol.com wrote:

>You can stab someone and he can still keep coming at you because there
hasn't 
>been a shock to his RAS (reticular activating system - if I remember
what RAS 
>stands for correctly). On the other hand, as Snow and Stanton (?) showed
in 
>Handgun Stopping Power a significant amount of the effect getting hit by
a 
>bullet has is based on what the person "thinks" will happen when he is
shot. 

Just to embellish a little. This is partially correct, but the other part
of the equation is the amount of tissue damage inflicted by the bullet or
bullets when they hit. That's why soft point rounds are much more
effective than say, a full metal jacketed round. The soft point expands
causing maximum trauma to the surrounding tissue causing shock and
subsequent death. A FMJ round could well go right through an attacker
doing minimum damage and not put him down. The effect of the FMJ would be
similar to a clean puncture with a blade. The individual may hemorrhage
to death eventually but it would take time. In the mean time you could be
facing one PO'd individual. 

I agree that severing a supporting tendon or ligament or one of the
flexors or extensors on any of the limbs would be a superior strategy
than going for a center mass stab. A slash also would have a good chance,
especially if done on the inside of the wrist, of severing the radial or
ulnar arteries (or both ) that supply the hand with blood. If you have an
individual full of adrenaline and pumping with a heart rate of 200 beats
per minute or better and an open artery he's going to run out of gas
pretty quick.

Glenn Smits
"What is needed is not the will to believe, but the wish to find out."
Bertrand Russell

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From: Ray Terry <raymail>
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 19:41:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: eskrima: sometimes

> ...  The soft point expands
> causing maximum trauma to the surrounding tissue causing shock and
> subsequent death. 
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Sometimes.

Ray Terry
raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com

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From: Jeffrey Monaghan <jmonagh@pacbell.net>
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 20:28:02 -0800
Subject: eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #470

Tuhon Bill,
Vic Harris was my first teacher in the FMA back in '91.  He moved away to SD
and later WA.  I lost track of him after that.  If you happen to find out
where he is located, please let me know.  As you know he was a serious small
arms combat instructor.  And the stories...
Jeff M.

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From: "Vincent Bollozos" <konky26@hotmail.com>
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 21:12:32 PST
Subject: eskrima: Question on Pekiti

At our club there is a pekiti tirsia player, and he made a comment about 
Pekiti never retreating or backing up, always pressing the attack. Is this 
acurate? Or is there specfic footwork practiced for backing up?
Hopefully , Bill Mcgrath will respond to this question.
(note: I don't know how advanced, rank or knowledgable the guy in the club 
is)

thanks,
konky

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From: "Jon Howard" <JonHoward@aqua-pacific.com>
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:33:50 -0000
Subject: eskrima: Legal wise...

Greetings to everyone.

I just wish to add one more comment before I go back into lurking
hibernation (it's much quieter back there).  A lot of people have spoken
recently regarding self-defence and the use of tools,  guns, knives, sticks
whatever.  I would like to suggest that the majority of people (NOTE : Read
the majority, NOT all, there are some exceptions - most notably Animal)
forget to use the biggest, best and most dangerous tool in their arsenal -
The law...

It may be an ass, you may not agree with it, but it's just one of those
things you'r just gonna have to accept.  It truely is a double edged sword -
when used properly it can be your best friend, when not it can be your worst
nightmare.

To be competant with any tool requires practice and this is no exception - I
would say that it is EVERY PERSONS responsibility (that includes students as
well as teachers) to research and beware of all their local penal codes
regarding the use of violence and force - not just at the Mas Ayoob class on
lethal force level, but at all levels...

We should all be aware of the consequences of our actions and this is never
more true than in the area of self defence.  There appears to be a
consistant global attitude that pertains to the use of "reasonable force" -
the definition of which changes from day to day, person to person and more
importantly situation to situation.

Indulge me while I give a few examples...

1) A couple of years back I took an home office approved course in door
security given by a reputable security company.  The guy giving the course
related the story of a "bouncer" who beat up one of the clubs punters for
some reason and when questioned by the Police said "He was asking for it, so
I gave it to him!" - this guy went to prison.  WRONG RESPONSE!

2)  If for arguments sake I happended to fall out with someone over a petty
issue and that person then "challenged me" to a fight, what would be the
correct response - should I "prove my manhood" by engaging him in personal
combat, or would a better response be to seek the assistance of my local
constabulary, inform them of the circumstances and have them present when
the guy shows up so they can cart him off for incitement or assult.  The
other guy looses his liberty and I go home to the wife and kids.    CORRECT
RESPONSE!

3) If I come back from shopping to find three guys sitting on the bonnet
(hood) of my car, saying that they were "looking after it for me" and
demanding I should give them "some money".  Most likely I will refuse and
politely ask them to leave me and my car alone, even more likely they will
not and a situtation will rapidly develop.  Having FIRST asked them to leave
and THEN proceeding to defend myself using REASONABLE force enough to secure
my escape - what then is my next course of action.

    a) Do I run the guy(s) over with the car so that he (they) can't try and
mug anyone ever again.
    b) Do I do the berkley stomp or some other method of venting my
aggression - just to teach the guy a lesson.
    c) Do I proceed immediately to the nearest Police station to report the
incident (BEFORE the three guys do and I find myself being portrayed as the
agressor anyway)

    Answers on a postcard please 8-)

Everyone must make their own choices,  we all have the free will to do
whatever we feel is neccessary in any given situation at any given time and
ultimately we will only ever have to wrestle with our own conscience but
remember - IF YOU CANNOT REASONABLY JUSTIFY YOUR ACTIONS YOU WILL GOTO JAIL
!!!!!!

You can fill in all the cliches you like about, weaponless warriors, the
highest level of combat and the art of fighting without fighting.  Face it
guys we are about to live in the 21st century, the rules have changed but in
a lot of cases our thinking hasn't...

Peace

Jon Howard

JonHoward@Aqua-Pacific.com



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From: Ray Terry <raymail>
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 06:58:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: eskrima: Legal wise...

> To be competant with any tool requires practice and this is no exception - I
> would say that it is EVERY PERSONS responsibility (that includes students as
> well as teachers) to research and beware of all their local penal codes
> regarding the use of violence and force - not just at the Mas Ayoob class on
> lethal force level, but at all levels...

But the various issues you describe are in the case law, not so much the
penal code, yes?  The penal code isn't clear in a great many area whereas
a body of case law may be...  ???

Ray Terry
raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com

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From: Ray Terry <rterry@best.com>
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 06:48:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: eskrima: .


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