From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #478 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Thur, 11 Nov 1999 Vol 06 : Num 478 In this issue: eskrima: response to "gene pool" and other self defense comments eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #477 eskrima: Vetren's Day, USA Re: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #477 eskrima: Re: Question on Pekiti eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #477 - Picky, picky, picky eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #477 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #477 eskrima: not so Picky, picky, picky eskrima: Re: JUSTIFY YOUR ACTIONS eskrima: Stickfighter vs. swordfighter Re: eskrima: "To MPEG or not to MPEG" eskrima: re: "To MPEG or not to MPEG" eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan Eskrima, and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike Barnes" Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 09:53:08 -0500 Subject: eskrima: response to "gene pool" and other self defense comments >The 3 rules that I live by regarding self defense using a knife are: > 1. Don't carry a knife unless you plan to use it if needed. > 2. Don't pull out your knife unless you plan to use it. > 3. Don't use your knife unless you plan to pay the consequences= , > whatever they may be.> In response to this and other comments about self defense, I would like to = give my 2 pennies. As I was growing up, I was taught to belief that killing is wrong. = Period.... However, as I got out on my own, I learned that there is no black and = white area around this... sometimes it can be necessary to kill. I have never been in a knife fight and I do not consider myself a knife = fighter. I do; however, consider myself a person who wants to be prepared if another person (wether they are a = nutcase, junky, or someone just having a bad hair day) tries to harm me, my family, or my friends. This does not mean that I am = going to hunt somebody down if they hurt someone that I know....I would have to be there as it is happening...(didn'= t want anyone reading too much into that statement) I also believe that if someone does something wrong, they should be = prepared to face the results... John(or Jill) Doe thug maybe doesn't think about this at the time, but = they should... If a person attacks you and tries to kill you, then it IS your responsibili= ty to do whatever it takes to survive.=20 This doesn't mean that you have to kill the other person, just that you do = what it takes to walk away. Multiple attackers... In Inayan System of Eskrima, we are taught to react to the first person, = plan for the second person, and see the third coming your way. =20 We are also taught to consider everything as an edged weapon.....Joe Smo = might look like he has nothing in his hand but he could=20 have a small razor or nowadays even a needle. =20 Legal system.. Here is the big one... I know next to nothing about our legal system and how it works for or = against people who use self defense as a reason for anything. I wish it was straight forward and everything was rosy but that is not = life....so deal with it...If you use what you know...be prepared=20 face the consequences... As stated above..I believe that we have the responsibility to protect = ourselves and the ones we love...I do not believe that we have the responsibility to take them out of the gene pool...(sorry = Pat....) I do feel that if it happens, then it happens... If anyone has any comments or suggestions....please respond here or email = me directly... Mike Barnes Inayan System of Eskrima Lenoir City, TN ------------------------------ From: "raleigh adams" Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 07:17:37 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #477 >> Strong reports that the national average is one hit for 4 shots fired... >> they did pretty good! > >I've heard one in eight and one in six. 1 in 8 for LEOs, 1 in 6 for private >citizens. > >Ray Terry >raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com again,,,if you go to our range and see our personnel shoot,,,you might change your mind about how LEOs (can only speak to Sacramento County) shoot,,,,,many of my colleagues are "master" level shooters,,,they have to keep shooting at that level to keep the medal,,,it is difficult,,I have not yet gotten the master level....my other training has been with the US Marshals...they are absolute incredible shooters,,if I were a bad guy,,,i would not want to be shot at by a US Marshal,,,but hey,,,why am i defending LEO's...if some people think cops can only hit their target one out of eight times,,,so be it,,,,RA,,> ------------------------------ From: JEREMYT@ATFI.COM (JeremyT) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 09:03:48 -0600 Subject: eskrima: Vetren's Day, USA I would like to take this moment out to recognize the people who have sacrificed time from their lives or their lives itself to help us remain free. For all of you who have served or who have family that have served, my deepest gratitude and thanks. Let us never forget that the cost of freedom is never free. Happy Veteran's Day!! Jeremy MACS ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 08:02:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #477 > would not want to be shot at by a US Marshal,,,but hey,,,why am i defending > LEO's...if some people think cops can only hit their target one out of eight > times,,,so be it,,,,RA,,> The 1 in 8 stat is not a range stat. Maybe it isn't accurate (pun intended :), but the range is a very different place than the street (as I'm sure you know). I've spent many an hour shooting at a 'hot' range side-by-side w/the best of the LEOs. I agree that many are fine shots, but street stress and partial/moving targets makes it far more difficult. yes? Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: David Fulton Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 11:10:55 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Re: Question on Pekiti At 07:05 AM 11/11/99 -0800, Konky wrote: > > >At our club there is a pekiti tirsia player, and he made a comment about >Pekiti never retreating or backing up, always pressing the attack. Is this >acurate? Or is there specfic footwork practiced for backing up? >Hopefully , Bill Mcgrath will respond to this question. >(note: I don't know how advanced, rank or knowledgable the guy in the club >is) > Well, I'm not Tuhon McGrath, nor am I an expert in Pekiti-tirsia ... and no, I don't play either on TV ;o) However, the system I train in is derived from Pekiti-tirsia, and my Guro frequently says that there is no "defense", only "attacks" and "counter-attacks". It seems to me (at least at this point) to be more about the mind set than any individual technique, and I think this is what your PT player is referring to. I can use the female/reverse triangle or a side step to zone out and evade an attack, and this may seem to be backing up/retreating/defensive, but I'm simultaneously re-attacking so my evasion is just a part of my counter-attack. If you use this mind set, then everything I do is either an attack or a counter-attack. I hope that makes sense. Respectfully, Dave Fulton dfulton@computerpackages.com Full Contact Martial Arts Association "As iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another." ------------------------------ From: "Jon Howard" Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 16:30:20 -0000 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #477 - Picky, picky, picky > >But the various issues you describe are in the case law, not so much the >penal code, yes? The penal code isn't clear in a great many area whereas >a body of case law may be... ??? > >Ray Terry >raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com > Ok - Just goes to show that I need to practice a bit more with this particular tool myself (I dont' know jack about American law) but I hope people were able to get the general gist of what I was trying to say... 8-) So Ray What's the difference between a felony and a misdemeanour ??? What's the difference between penal codes and a body of case law ??? Jon... ------------------------------ From: "Jon Howard" Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 15:56:21 -0000 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #477 Glenn J Smits wrote : >Just to embellish a little. This is partially correct, but the other part >of the equation is the amount of tissue damage inflicted by the bullet or >bullets when they hit. That's why soft point rounds are much more >effective than say, a full metal jacketed round. The soft point expands >causing maximum trauma to the surrounding tissue causing shock and >subsequent death. A FMJ round could well go right through an attacker >doing minimum damage and not put him down. The effect of the FMJ would be >similar to a clean puncture with a blade. The individual may hemorrhage >to death eventually but it would take time. In the mean time you could be >facing one PO'd individual. > In an attempt to clear my "apparent" ignorance, I thought that soft point rounds only expanded if they hit something hard, like bone or solid cartliage. Jon... BTW - To Tuhon Bill. I think providing any form of "live action" technique demonstrations would be great, maybe you could provide a low and high res version for people who wanted to spend the time downloading (or who had access to new technology). Is this stuff gonna be freely available or is it just for PTI members? ------------------------------ From: "Patrick Christian" Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 12:28:00 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #477 3) If I come back from shopping to find three guys sitting on the bonnet (hood) of my car, saying that they were "looking after it for me" and demanding I should give them "some money". Most likely I will refuse and politely ask them to leave me and my car alone, even more likely they will not and a situtation will rapidly develop. Having FIRST asked them to leave and THEN proceeding to defend myself using REASONABLE force enough to secure my escape - what then is my next course of action. Jon, you could give them the money. If an armed mugger asks for your wallet, give it to him. Otherwise someone will get hurt and the other person may go to the morgue. On a humorous note, if you call the hood of your car a bonnet, then someone will definitely want to pick on you......8-) PC Inayan School of Eskrima Lenoir City, TN ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 09:52:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: not so Picky, picky, picky > So Ray > What's the difference between a felony and a misdemeanour ??? I'm not an attorney nor have I studied the law, but I have attended classes by Ayoob and others. That said, a misdemeanor is usually a crime carrying less than one year of jail time as the sentence and not involving state prison. Sentencing minimum is used to define the difference because not all states distinguish misdemeanors and felonies in the same way. > What's the difference between penal codes and a body of case law ??? The PC is the actual law, but it is frequently written in such a way that those not trained in the law (any many of those trained in the law) will interpret it differently. So we must go the case law to see how the courts/juries have interpreted the PC. e.g. What is a dirk or dagger? They are mentioned in California PC (12020) but never defined. Cases like People vs. LaGrande, People vs. Bain, People vs. Villagren, and People vs. Cabral help us understand what a dirk or dagger is. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "Ted Truscott" Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:57:24 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Re: JUSTIFY YOUR ACTIONS > remember - IF YOU CANNOT REASONABLY JUSTIFY YOUR ACTIONS YOU WILL GOTO JAIL > !!!!!! My LEO friend says that many victims who had a legal right to fight and use force on another end up in jail because they DON'T KNOW HOW TO TALK TO THE POLICE!! Learn "self defense talking to cops!" Ted Truscott The Fighting Old Man ------------------------------ From: Chad Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 11:15:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: Stickfighter vs. swordfighter Here's a question for the post that i can't really decide on. I see pros and cons on both sides so here it is: with one person trained in and actually being a seasoned sword fighter and the other being trained in and actually being a seasoned stickfighter, who has the advantage in the following: 1. stick vs. stick 2. sword vs. sword 3. stick vs. sword and 4. sword vs. stick Please, no "there the same thing" responses, because there not. ===== "Draw me not without reason, sheath me not without honor" Chad Hawaii __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Gints Klimanis Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 11:25:17 -0800 Subject: Re: eskrima: "To MPEG or not to MPEG" > From: "BILL MCGRATH" > > I am experimenting with adding a series of monthly MPEG video files to the > PTI web site. I would like the opinion of list members if this would be > better tool for viewing techniques over the web than a series of still > photos. The files I'll be using are 2 megs in size and contain about 60 > seconds of low res video (and surprisingly good sound). It is clear in a 2' > X 2' frame, but gets fuzzy when expanded to 4" X 4". I could use up the 2 > megs with high res video that would look good at 4" X 4" but you would only > get 15 seconds for your 2 megs of download. It took me about 10 minutes to > download the 2 meg experimental file off the PTI site at 40,000 bps. Is this > too long a download time or too large a file size for most systems? > How much hassle are you willing to go through to view a short video of a > technique over the internet? I'm stuck with a 28.8K rates. I don't mind downloading huge 20MByte files, especially action escrima clips ! > When the Pekiti-Tirsia site first opened, I was told the technology for live > stream video was not up to speed to make it practical. Has live stream > improved sufficiently that it would solve the large file size/long download > problem of MPEG? Nah. The live stuff for 28.8K connections is rather choppy. If you want to check out some live video, go to www.777film.com and watch the "Fight Club" tralier. ------------------------------ From: "Gary 808" Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 11:49:56 -0800 Subject: eskrima: re: "To MPEG or not to MPEG" Tuhon McGrath, I think mpeg, avi and quicktime clips are a better tool than animated gifs in showing technique. Its possible to do it with gifs but usually not as effective. The only significant advantage the gifs have is the smaller file sizes. I would prefer the low res video if your file size limitation is 2MB. It may not be as clear but the longer time gives you more time for demonstration. Fifteen seconds may not be enough for some of the instructions. The download time will vary for many people. But 2MB is not that large a file in this stage of telecommunications. I have had problems with streaming media especially if the hosting server doesn't have huge bandwidth to the Net. Also streaming media is too reliant on a continous Net connection while mpeg clips can be watched for present and future viewing once they are downloaded. My opinions of course so your experience may vary. Gary gary808@eudoramail.com Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 12:01:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #478 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com in directory pub/eskrima/digests. 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