From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #484 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Mon, 15 Nov 1999 Vol 06 : Num 484 In this issue: eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #483 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #483 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #483 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #483 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #483 eskrima: Swords for the layperson? eskrima: Strange Bruises eskrima: DEC 11th Pekiti-Tirsia Charity Seminar eskrima: japan contact eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan Eskrima, and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. 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Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hec mail Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 13:30:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #483 >well i've fought in three gatherings and have to strongly disagree with you - >first off none of the afore mentioned fights involved live blades let alone >blade vs. baston so the stmnt really address the issue - second off in >regards to the gatherings - they are good for what they are but after >witnessing masters at work i wouldnt call what they are doing escrima - i >call it crash and bash - i've seen masters at work mearly sway back out of >the way of a attack - then angle in for their counter attacks -- i'm not >putting down the gatherings - just saying it aint the art form - do you think >guro dan would stand toe to toe and slug it out - or do you tink he would use >foot work to out manover you and take your head off without you even knowing >what hit you. a story was related to me by a eye witness that punong guro >edgar - while playing with dan decided to turn the heat up and went after him >full on - guro dan just used foot work and edgar didnt get close - after >wards edgar said "thats why he dan inosanto" > >just my 2 cents > >steve > I agreed completely. The gatherings does serve its purpose, and what each participant gets out of it is up to them. For me, I realized that I can stand the rush of someone agressively wanting to take my head off, and that the human body can take a lot of punishment. I've spoken to a few practioners coming up before my time to see how they tested and improve their skills. Their responses were very similiar. They spar(not just flow sparring)without padding, but with control. This gave them the chance to find out what works for them. A story was relayed to me that when Angel and would play, they just engaged. Leo would keep Angel at bay by moving his Largo Mano stick like a helicopter blade, and Angel would block from the outside and eventually got tired of blocking or being hit that he just closed and shut Leo down. Or sometimes the sparring would heat up and the hits were now full speed with the intent to really hurt the other guy and you end up in a match for your life. That's how Angel ended up with one of his opponent. And I'm sure that everyone has similiar stories from their intructors or masters. The point is that there are ways to improve and test out your theories without risking serious injuries. Sometimes when you use padding, both participant are trying to hit as hard as they can to hold each other of. And that's where the serious injuries comes in when your live weapon connects an open area. I will participate in some form of gatherings again, but it won't be my main method of improving my skills. I have a good sparring partner for that. No matter what methods you use to test your skills. The key is to be true to yourself, and not let your ego get in the way of learning. John Lau ____________________________________________ Service Brought To You By http://WWW.DWP.NET ------------------------------ From: AKRKali@aol.com Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 16:47:57 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #483 I have not heard from anyone on this post reguarding this question. Does anyone know of an instructor in the Filipino Martial Arts who is station at Kadena AFB Okinawa Japan? Or anywhere on Okinawa? I will be stationed there in May 00 and would like to join up with them. Please e-mail me details or reply here. Dave AKR Kali ------------------------------ From: AnimalMac@aol.com Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 18:32:13 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #483 In a message dated 11/14/99 12:52:51 PM Mountain Standard Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << The guy with the sword can strike first, but when the guy with the kris blocks with the right, you know the other guy's gonna get his when his left hand goes for the kill. >> Wanna try that against a broadsword? Also I would like to quote Kent Turnipseed's response to Steven Segal who said that when facing a gun he would just move off line and attack. To which Kent said, "Then I'd just move and still shoot you" You ain't the only one who can move Buckaroo. ------------------------------ From: AnimalMac@aol.com Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 18:29:40 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #483 In a message dated 11/14/99 12:52:51 PM Mountain Standard Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << ( In the first battle of Sudomer he had the knights attack across a drained lake - they all got bogged down and slaughtered). >> Not exactly a new concept, Wallace, Juchai Khan were the two who I immediately remember using that tactic. Also way too often bozo leadership via nobles who didn't understand that other people weren't going to play by the rules got the knights slaughtered. Angencourt, the battle described in "A Distant Mirror" against the Turks, Swiss mercenaries and a few others proved that even superior technology can't always save you from massive stupidity. Still even then you will notice that like smaller numbers defeating larger, it is such a rare exception that it is notable. >The peasant armies were only defeated when a split occured in the movemement and the two factions faced off at Lipany. The moderate faction, knowing the peasant tactics outfoxed the hardliners with a predictable result. However in the long run, the peasants ended up with the - excuse the pun- short end of the stick. ------------------------------ From: "Steven Drape" Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 16:04:39 PST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #483 > I hope >I get to meet you Steve. I really want to see your snapping to see if you >are doing what I think you are doing. You are the only one to use this >term in a significant conceptual way. I'm looking forward to the day when I can make an extended trip back to the US. I'd love to be able to make a swing around the digest, meeting as many people as possible. It's not likely any time soon, but who knows in the future? As for snapping, ours is a true corto style, and while we have some non-snaps in the arsenal, most of the stick motions involve some sort of wrist rotation, in one direction or another, combined with very intense live hand work. GM Pasa's style involves more live hand work than any other style I have seen, or heard about. His reputation in the Philippines is based on his live hand work. When the Illustrisimo people in Manila were asked about him, Romy Magcapagal's first statement was, " Yes, he's good with his live hand!" The system is designed to get inside and stay there, until the fight is over, similar to some emptyhand systems that emphasize elbows, knees and trapping. Since very few systems train these sorts of attacks/defenses, if we can get in, we generally have success. I'm not sure what your impression of these types of attacks is, but feel free to e-mail me privately if you want to try to get a clearer picture. >The true #1 defense is really a counter offense to the root. If >you chop the tree trunk the branches fall the way you chop the trunk. We finally agree on something, Carl! Steve ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Patrick Christian" Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 19:20:08 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Swords for the layperson? Butch wrote: "It is interesting that a sword is recommended for home defense. I think I also read that some Isreali self defense teacher advocates the sword as a personal defense weapon in Isreal. My question is: What style of sword fighting would one teach a non martial arts person to use. How long would the course be? After all, most people do not want to spend too much time learning self defense techniques regardless of the type of weapon they are being trained on. Remember, there are sword arts: foil, epee,heavy and light saber. Would these arts be considered good for self defense? Also there is the FMA. There are probably other sword arts/styles out there too. If you were to teach sword self defense, in 4-8 hours, what techniques would you teach? Also, since a long sword takes alot of room to swing it around inside a house, maybe short sword training would be recommended. Comments?" As a person that has studied kendo/kumdo, fencing (european) and Eskrima, I will testify that Largo Mano is very effective and easier to learn (not proficiently, but good enough to use). Most styles of sword usage is weighed down by traditionality and it can take you several weeks just to learn how to stand "properly." I'm not knocking kendo or fencing, however even if you do become good at that art, I can't see it as being effective on the street and/or at home. Face it, kendo and fencing are sports. There is a huge difference between a sport and a MARTIAL art. Another point for this particular question, is that largo can be used at a medium and a long range. A medium sized sword such as a barong or a good machete could feasibly be used in an hallway. Or, buy a good dog! Patrick N. Christian Inayan School of Eskrima Lenoir City, TN ------------------------------ From: Graham Jamieson Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 11:55:32 +1000 (EST) Subject: eskrima: Strange Bruises Like other eskrimadors I almost constantly carry some bruising but this is usually in the form of a simple black "blob" at the site of each impact. On some occasions however the bruise takes the form of a large ring or circle which appears clear or unmarked in the middle. Certainly it is noticably wider than the outer circumference of the stick used to inflict it. Obviously then this cannot correspond to the direct imprint of a stick impact even allowing for some spread of the force. My most curious bruise was actually in the shape of concentric circles. The center was bruised, no surprise, followed by a clear ring followed by a bruise ring. Visually it reminded me of the diffraction pattern known as Newtons Rings (first year physics was a long time ago). I wonder if others have similar injury patterns to report. If there is a real phenomena here does any one have a good explanation? Could some wave summation phenomena be at work here? What are the dynamics of force transmission through tissue and might this be relevant to some real world applications? For example can impact force be focused some (brief) distance in space from the point of impact? If it can happen accidentally can it become a trained skill? Graham - ------------------------------------------------------------ Graham Jamieson. Tel: +61 7 33656 368 | Psychology Department, Fax: +61 7 33654 466 | University of Queensland, E-mail: gj@psy.uq.edu.au | Qld 4072. Australia. | - ------------------------------------------------------------ "We carry a new world, here in our hearts" ------------------------------ From: "BILL MCGRATH" Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 22:11:17 -0800 Subject: eskrima: DEC 11th Pekiti-Tirsia Charity Seminar Pekiti-Tirsia Charity Benefit Seminar Saturday, December 11th, 1999 1 to 5 PM Estelle & Alfonso's Dance Studio 2206 Route 9 Fishkill, NY. 12524 Cost: $25 (Please bring a check made out to "Feed The Children") Instructor: Tuhon Bill McGrath Subject: Palm stick/closed folding knife techniques. Two hand grip walking stick techniques. Hope to see you there, Tuhon Bill McGrath ------------------------------ From: Patrick Davies Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 09:14:09 -0000 Subject: eskrima: japan contact From: AKRKali@aol.com I posted this a few days ago, and no one responded. I am moving to Okinawa Japan with the military, and want to know if anyone on this post know of an instructor (Kali/Escrima/Arnis) who is there or will be there next year Dave, I know that Rick Faye does seminars in Japan. He would be able to advise you. Try diana@skypoint.com pat ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 06:09:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #484 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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