From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #485 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Mon, 15 Nov 1999 Vol 06 : Num 485 In this issue: eskrima: Guro Dan Inosanto Interview eskrima: Doce Pares Seminar eskrima: swords eskrima: Re: Swords for home defense eskrima: Re: stickfighters vs. blades, etc. eskrima: FMA in the Ft. Lauderdale, Florida Area eskrima: re: Digest 483 eskrima: Philosophy? eskrima: Our Website eskrima: Steven Drape eskrima: PT MPEG eskrima: Re: Stick and blade fighting clarifications!!! eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #482 eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! 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Steve Grantham ------------------------------ From: brosterj@qesmansfield.schoolzone.co.uk Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 14:15:12 -0000 Subject: eskrima: Doce Pares Seminar Sorry about the late notice, but there is a seminar this coming weekend, 20 and 21 November in Wakefield (England) with Dionisio Canete. The venue is Pat O'Malley's new school: University of Combat Arts Saga House Illingworth St Ossett West Yorkshire It costs £50 for the weekend, or £30 per day. The course runs from 11 am until 5 pm both days. The last time GM Canete was in England was nearly 10 years ago. This is one not to be missed !!! Mabuhay Jon. ------------------------------ From: Jonas Dyhrfjeld-Johnsen Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 15:01:12 +0100 Subject: eskrima: swords Foxhound wrote: > Good points. But are we forgetting that the sticks are a substitute for the kris, kalis, > and the other swords? A fighter holding a pair of krises in his hands and is as fast > with them as he is with his sticks, can rush and slice anybody holding a sword into pot > roast. The guy with the sword can strike first, but when the guy with the kris block > with the right, you know the other guy's gonna get his when his left hand goes for the > kill. Seems to be a common misunderstanding out there, seeing a sword as a slow weapon... Believe me: ITS NOT ! Ive been practising with everything from daggers/knives to 2 handed swords and polearms, as well as being the "subject" for demonstrations from incredible people like Master Bill Newman and Master Steve Tappin. One thing is for sure, - while it is possible to rush a guy with a sword, its definately not probable that it will succeed if you are dealing with anyone with a minimum of skill. Even then, your timing will have to be absolutely perfect. As for blocking a proper sword hit with a kris: Forget it ! Jonas - -- - ------------------------------------------------------------- Jonas Dyhrfjeld-Johnsen (Ms.sc.Biophysics & Bs.sc.Physics) Graduate student in the Computational Systems Neuroscience Group at the C. & O. Vogt Brain Research Institute in Duesseldorf, Germany. (office phone +49-211-81-12095) ** What doesn't kill you, makes you stronger ! ** - ------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: "Joshua Hutchinson" Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 17:47:45 PST Subject: eskrima: Re: Swords for home defense Hello all! That's funny! I have a knife and a saw-tooth machete readily accessible (by me only!) in my bed room... I keep them in places that are hard for an intruder or guests to spot. They're a lot quicker to grab than a locked firearm... I'm still trying to get down the speed and timing on that one. Mabuhay ang Eskrima!!! Fry Bread p.s., Plus keeping weapons in the bedroom reminds me that I've got to treat my woman like gold 24-7. I know all men remember what happened to John Wayne..... Bobbit, that is! ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com ------------------------------ From: Scott Wiggins Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 18:11:40 +0000 Subject: eskrima: Re: stickfighters vs. blades, etc. In message , Steven Drape writes > Another example involves knife attacks. These are related to empty hand >techniques, but have very little connection with the stick or sword. A knife >attack, slash or stab, is actually like a jab, not a roundhouse punch. Think >of the angles with the stick, and how much they vary from each other, like >backhand vs. forehand, downward vs. upward, etc. With the knife, these >distinctions don't exist. The difference between a # 1 and a #4 (forehand >and backhand downward attacks) knife attack is only the angle of the wrist, >the arm/shoulder position is the same for each, and the attack generally >comes straight out from the center of the body. If someone is trying to do >knife techniques with stick motions, then you haven't been taught the right >way to use a knife. > I'll stop now and wait for the consequences of these statements ;-) > >Steve > I have to agree with you here Steve. Although the essence of the motion is the same, it may follow the same line; the application needs to be more precise with the knife or blade to ensure that you cut the target. Using a stick to hit you can afford to have a slight angle with the wrist as at the end of the day the rattan will do the work for you, it is essentially a bludgeon, whereas a mis-aligned blade edge can either miss altogether, cause a flesh wound rather than incapacitation or fail to penetrate. BTW, well done, you've got me off the fence after 9 months. (And a woof to Crafty for an excellent article in the UK mags the other month.) Scott Wiggins Scott@home-cov.demon.co.uk http://www.home-cov.demon.co.uk/index.htm ------------------------------ From: "Al \"Got This Fish On The Move\"" Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 13:20:17 -0500 Subject: eskrima: FMA in the Ft. Lauderdale, Florida Area I know someone who is looking for training in the FMA's (any style) within in the Ft. Lauderdale area. If any member can send me the info either privately or publicly, I will appreciate it. Thanks. Respectfully, Al Sardinas Student of Garimot System of Arnis ------------------------------ From: "Branwen Thomas" Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 15:08:26 -0330 Subject: eskrima: re: Digest 483 Carlton says: >I am still amazed at why some people are good at sticks but suck empty hand. They think >there are 2 or more arts but there is really only one. you might get some outrage at this statement ;) but in a general sense I agree. the *applications* of angles & techniques differ, but the basic motions for certain things remain the same. Yeah, if it's a knife there's a shorter range for example, but the checking hand is the checking hand. We recently started doing box pattern sumbrada with 2 sticks, and it was really difficult to get the idea through to certain students that the checking hand (which now has a stick) is still doing the same basic thing. I "got it in one" partly because my training partner (who's been at it _much_ longer than me) flows so well, and told me to not think of it as stick in hand, but as "longer hand" ie forget the stick. Once I have the basics of that, then I adjust for the fact that it is a stick. Same thing when I go stick & knife. or empty hand. so, ultimately I guess there is just one art...sorta like there's one basic human body that works in a bunch of different ways depending on the tools (physical/mental) that you have, but certain things are just not possible (yet?) eg. levitating (oh please oh please i want to learn that;) 2c for today... Roaring Girl * Purveyor Of Fine Books * Beater Of Bodhrans * Smiter Of The Wicked * * Owned By Angus, Most Elegant And Pleasing Of Cats * ------------------------------ From: Chad Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 15:31:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: Philosophy? First thing obvious from everyone is: "what one man would or would not do, doesn't mean another man should or should not do". Questions are posed to get the feel of different types of opinions out there. No one can force his/her opinion on to someone else. When I say that we awnser questions, it means that you come and fight and what happens in the fight awnsers your own question. Same is true for the Gatherings or any other type of sparring. Only one person fights for you and that person is...you. There is no such thing as right or wrong if you look in the context of "did you get hit or not?". That should awnser your own question. Also, somtimes people can read a little too much into a statement. This causes people to making rash and sometimes irresponsible remarks. One statement can only be put on the screen looking black or white. If you can not read it understanding that every phrase is interpretted as different by everyone, ask the person to clarify. We are but all brothers in the totality of martial arts let alone the Philippine Fighting Arts. Why fight amongst ourselves? Also, I appreciate personal issues being taken up with me directly, that way we can work to becoming brothers. What's the purpose of the post?, to exchange thoughts and ideas or to say who is right and wrong? "Here in Hawaii" means that that is where I am located at, not saying that Hawaii is this or that. If the attitude seems loud or arrogant, it's not. It is direct and and my opinion. I believe strongly in what I believe in because I have done it. Examples of fights are not stories made to impress you, it is a lesson learned on my part that otheres may or "may not" benefit from. The Filipino community has been seperated by such bickering for so long, why add to it? ===== "Draw me not without reason, sheath me not without honor" Chad Hawaii __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: TaoArt@aol.com Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 18:42:26 EST Subject: eskrima: Our Website Greetings all, We just finished with a major update on our website. If you get a chance, please drop by and check it out. I'd appreciate it if you let me know if you find any bugs or broken links. Here's the link: http://www.guardup.com And if you hunt around, you'll find a picture of me... so you can put a face to these posts. Thanks! Meghan Gardner Director Guard Up! Inc. "First Rule of the Universe: Pay Attention." Peyton Quinn ------------------------------ From: "John Taylor" Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 15:46:55 PST Subject: eskrima: Steven Drape >well i've fought in three gatherings and have to strongly disagree with you >- >first off none of the afore mentioned fights involved live blades let alone >blade vs. baston so the stmnt really address the issue - second off in >regards to the gatherings - they are good for what they are but after >witnessing masters at work i wouldnt call what they are doing escrima - i >call it crash and bash - i've seen masters at work mearly sway back out of >the way of a attack - then angle in for their counter attacks -- i'm not >putting down the gatherings - just saying it aint the art form - do you >think >guro dan would stand toe to toe and slug it out - or do you tink he would >use >foot work to out manover you and take your head off without you even >knowing >what hit you. a story was related to me by a eye witness that punong guro >edgar - while playing with dan decided to turn the heat up and went after >him >full on - guro dan just used foot work and edgar didnt get close - after >wards edgar said "thats why he dan inosanto" > >just my 2 cents > >steve > Reading Steven Drape's submission regarding "crash & bash", I wanted to ask Mr Drape and other digest readers about wearing padding vs padded sticks. Some eskrimadors I note prefer to use a real stick when rigorously SPARRING, but use head gear, hand guards, knee pads and elbow pads. Still other practioners use no padding/protection on the body, yet a stick with some padding wrapped around it. Does the choice in protection favour particular styles of fighting - head gear etc favouring taking a blow in order to give one, and padded sticks ruling out finer moves like disarms and locks? John Taylor. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "BILL MCGRATH" Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 19:24:40 -0800 Subject: eskrima: PT MPEG Many thanks to all those who offered advice on the subject of MPEG video. I now have a text clip from a recent seminar on the PTI web site. Go to the Contents page and click "MPEG TEST". It was shot on a digital still camera with MPEG capability on low resolution with a 2 meg storage limit (high res gives you only 15 seconds for your 2 megs) so keep the image small to view it with the best clarity. It's a bit less than 2 megs in size and runs for 60 seconds. It took me about 6 minutes to download it running at 40,000 bps. If you view the video, please let me know how long it took to download on your system and what speed you were connected at. Help me out with a mini poll among those who view the video. Would you rather have a 2 meg 60 second clip at low res or the same technique divided into four 2 meg high res clips of 15 seconds each . I would like to post two of these MPEG videos each month. A basic one for general viewing and an advanced one for PTI members. Plus, please let me know your thoughts on how to improve the PTI website. Thanks, Tuhon Bill McGrath ------------------------------ From: " Bad Karma " Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 16:17:27 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Re: Stick and blade fighting clarifications!!! Chad wrote: #snip# >Although alot of things are transferable on one > page, once the technique is transfered from > one to the other, they are used differently. > Period. In stickfighting there are things > that you can do that you just can not do in a > sword fight. Heh. This is kinda like that old saw, ``When I started a punch was just a punch...' But, yes, you are right. You can take a blow from a stick, on your arm (within reason), but the same impact, coming from a pinuti, may take that arm off. To ignore that is foolish. I agree. #snip# >> Am I on the right track, so far? > >OK, question a little rephrased: >How would a stickfighters attributes of being > able to hit with speed and power and(if he is > used to fighting other stickfighters) he is > used to being a little more aggressive work > for or against him? I don't think aggressiveness in a blade fighter is inherently a bad thing. More than a couple of my teachers have fought with edged weapons of different sorts. They've all advocated ending the confrontation as quickly as possible. Unless your tactic is to put the foot-mobile in high gear, you're going to have to be an aggressive, nasty, SOB. >How would a bladefighters more cat-like prowess > and finnesse and of course his higher sense of > evasion of the touch work for or against him? How about if we put it this way? If (big `if'), our hero were able to swiftly disable his opponent with a decisive cut, perhaps he would not be in a position where those attributes were needed. OTOH, if he were fighting his clone, those attributes, with a little sprinkling of luck, will make the difference. On yet another hand, maybe that finesse and ability to `read' his opponent would give him the better positioning to quickly lop off an arm. And, no, I did not eat waffles for breakfast. :-) Just my opinion. >Alot of theories this and logically that come > into the question, but when you really fight > ceartain fallacies go right out the door. Absolutely. All is probability until the outcome is realized. > in Hawaii we awnser questions. Take the > theories and logic and test it out for > real. You have a good teacher. There is more than one eskrima club on O'ahu that does not play with anyone outside their circle. - --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ------------------------------ From: Todd Ellner Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 16:34:29 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #482 AnimalMac@aol.com writes: << Here I think you're focusing only on the weapon itself, rather than the other relevant issues. I agree that a sword is, in and of itself, superior to a stick, but only if you're familiar with how to use it. >> >ummm folks...look at history. Face it, everytime someone with a stick beat a >man with a sword, it was kind of a man bites dog story. Off the top of my >head I can name three events, Musashi, Magellian and George Silver. Musashi: Used a mucking BIG stick in the famous duel(s). You will note that he never used one in war. He was defeated by a jo jutsu master, but as you say "Man bites dog". Magellan: The accounts I've read state that he was shot with arrows or speared through the thigh and then killed with a kampilan, i.e. a big sword. Silve: The English had a superb tradition of staff fighting. I don't think we're talking about a two foot piece of rattan here. Probably a much bigger stick which allows one to mess the other guy up outside of sword range. >These >were the exceptions, not the rule. I mean hey, three events out of 4,000 >years shows that a stick against a sword can work if you practice real hard. Yep. And Musashi was already really good with a sword as was Silver. If it was indeed Lapu Lapu who put the quietus to Magellan he was also an excellent bladesman already. >In the 4000 years or so of history of warfare, four types of weapons remained >constant, swords, spears, pole arms and archery. It is only over the last 400 >years that guns slowly (and slowly is the operative word) replaced these four >standard weapons. Basically as Ned Beaumont pointed out, people who went up >against these fearsome foursome with peasant weapons remained peasants. Well, yes and no. There was a time in Europe when the sword was pretty much obsoleted by advances in armor technology. That's when the well-dressed fighting man favored variations of the can opener and the Big Hammer on the battlefield. >In otherwords folks, bet on two feet of sharp steel in the hands of a >half-trained fighter against a stick in the hands of a master for one simple >reason, you can take repeated hits with a stick, but all you need to do is >touch with a sword. Oh yeah, there is also one more little detail, you can't >rush a sword like you can a stick. It's kind of like trying to tackle a razor >blade. This is one of the reasons I suggest to women that they get a sword >for home defense. Even in a hallway where they cannot swing, rushing an edge >isn't real bright. Hmm. Interesting. But do you suggest thrusting or cutting swords? The confines of the upstairs part of our house and the clutter in the rest argue against some sorts of edged weapons and in favor of others. In a cramped apartment things would probably be even more different. Todd ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 19:02:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #485 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com in directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan Eskrima, and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.