From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #486 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Tues, 16 Nov 1999 Vol 06 : Num 486 In this issue: eskrima: List down eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #485 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #484 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #484 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #485 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #485 eskrima: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #485 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #485 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #485 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #482 eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! 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Ray Terry rterry@best.com ------------------------------ From: AnimalMac@aol.com Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 22:30:06 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #485 In a message dated 11/15/99 8:08:56 PM Mountain Standard Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Hmm. Interesting. But do you suggest thrusting or cutting swords? >> Yes Realize that the part out of The Mask of Zorro "Do you know how to use that thing?" Yes, the pointy end goes into the other guy" is either the mark of a true idiot or a true master. ------------------------------ From: Kurokuwa@aol.com Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 23:53:53 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #484 Traditional Navaja Arts Seminar Date: Sunday, November 28, 1999 Times: 9am to 12pm, and 2pm to 5pm Place: Holiday In of Marlborough, MA Cost: $55.00 Instructor: James Loriega, Author, Sevillian Steel Fee half-hour lectures precede each workshop at 8am and 1pm. For addition information or registration, contact Michael de Bethencourt of CQC Services at (978) 667-5591. Navajas and training materials will also be available. ------------------------------ From: "Carlton H. Fung, D.D.S." Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 21:07:53 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #484 > >The true #1 defense is really a counter offense to the root. If > >you chop the tree trunk the branches fall the way you chop the trunk. > > > We finally agree on something, Carl! > > > Steve I got a good chuckle here! I'm sure we agree on alot. The e-mail medium does not lend itself to much beyond misunderstanding. I have to constantly practice dilligence to prevent putting my foot in my mouth. Even with that I do it anyway. Regards, Carlton H. Fung, D.D.S. Redondo Beach, Ca. ------------------------------ From: "Carlton H. Fung, D.D.S." Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 21:36:30 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #485 > From: "John Taylor" > Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 15:46:55 PST > Subject: eskrima: Steven Drape > > >well i've fought in three gatherings and have to strongly disagree with you > >- > >first off none of the afore mentioned fights involved live blades let alone > >blade vs. baston so the stmnt really address the issue - second off in > >regards to the gatherings - they are good for what they are but after > >witnessing masters at work i wouldnt call what they are doing >guro dan would stand toe to toe and slug it out - or do you tink he would > >use > >foot work to out manover you and take your head off without you even > >knowing > >what hit you One of the most significant powers of The Gathering happens the first time you do it, as with any unknown. It is the psych equivilant to the first time you get that root canal from your dentist. You don't know what you are going to get and the adrenaline is flowing and you have to deal with it. There lies your first test. Do you freeze and fail or do you respond and flail? It has very little do do with what you know but what your mind lets you do. The psych control comes with experience time and maturity. There are very few Guro Dan's out there. If I aspire to be like him and he is about 60 y/o and I'm probably a fraction as good so....if my body hold out I'll be as good as Guro Dan when I'm 120. In the meantime flailing is the order of the day. What did Crafty say...." This is a sport that favors the young" or so abouts he says. > > Does the choice in protection favour particular styles of fighting - head > gear etc favouring taking a blow in order to give one, and padded sticks > ruling out finer moves like disarms and locks? Absolutely that is why you need to play multiple games to work multiple aspects of your game. There is only one "true" game but if you want to go to work on Monday and watch your child graduate from highschool you won't be playing it. Regards, Carlton H. Fung, D.D.S. Redondo Beach, Ca. ------------------------------ From: SReiter000@aol.com Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 00:52:45 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #485 In a message dated 11/15/99 7:10:18 PM Pacific Standard Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Reading Steven Drape's submission regarding "crash & bash", I wanted to ask Mr Drape and other digest readers about wearing padding vs padded sticks. Some eskrimadors I note prefer to use a real stick when rigorously SPARRING, but use head gear, hand guards, knee pads and elbow pads. Still other practioners use no padding/protection on the body, yet a stick with some padding wrapped around it. Does the choice in protection favour particular styles of fighting - head gear etc favouring taking a blow in order to give one, and padded sticks ruling out finer moves like disarms and locks? John Taylor. >> john - the post was made by me steve reiter - steve drape responded to my post -- however in your post you only included my original post so i will assume you were asking me the question - as far as technical sparring goes i feel padded stikes with no armour might be better - -you get a better feel for your enviornment - i've sparred with full douce pares gear on an felt like a knight or something - i didnt have a good sense of my surroundings ect. and i felt very bogged down - and you also get smarted - you feel the pain of getting hit but it doesnt take you out so you can continue your training - i feel people (myself included) get a sense of security with gloves and head gear on - you (could) do stuff that you'd never get away with unprotected - try it yourself - hand only sparred with and with out the glove - - i'll bet dollars to doughnuts without the gloves -- you keep your distances alot more and do more fakeing /fienting tring to draw your oppenant off guard for the attack instead of just going for it cuase you know the glove will protect you steve ------------------------------ From: Sunny Graff <105605.2047@compuserve.com> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 02:47:09 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #485 Nachricht geschrieben von INTERNET:eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com >We are but all brothers in the totality of martial arts let alone the Philippine Fighting Arts. Why fight amongst ourselves? < Right on bro. Just don't forget, some of us "brothers" are "sisters." ------------------------------ From: "paul martin" Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 09:26:01 GMT Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #485 On the topic of home defense weapons: A sword? Let's look at the whole picture of self defense in the modern world. A sword is a hand to hand weapon with a very limited circle of acceptability. In this sue happy world the intruder had better die from injuries because he could try and charge you or sue you. How would the average conservative court system percieve a sword as an "intentional" self defense weapon? I have always been a strong believer in the concepts of FMA. The biggest differences between FMA and most other MA is Translation and Adaptability. We live in a modern world with more efficient weapons for home defense than a sword (which still puts you within dangerously close range of an intruder...who may be armed with a gun). FMA as a concept art doesn't limit the practitioner to non ballistic weapons - practitioners themselve do. I am not saying that everyone should be a gun toting Masaad Ayoob, but with the selection of self defense tools out there in this day, I would choose a shotgun over a sword anyday. there are a variety of gauges to work for small or large people regardless of gender or handicap. Just like with any other weapon, you will improve with training. I think that the point about what kind of training would be appropriate before a person would be effective with a sword as a home defense tool - that same idea works here. There are many legitimate safety classes designed to train people in the legal and safe use and storage of firearms. Not to mention that any less than deadly techniques can be mixed in. Butt stroke an intruder with the stock of a shotgun and then back off and you have created room for less than deadly options based on the situation. this is just one more opinion on this thread. I see the logic behind the others, and there are some good points. I just don't agree with it. But hey if you can sell it in court, more power to you. Paul ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Mike Barnes" Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 09:45:52 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #485 From: Todd Ellner <<>> I've read that he (Musashi) became a hermit and finally died of old = age.... <<<>>> Here there are conflicting records... I recently did research about this = and found about three different accounts....One, he died from a spear to = the throat....two, he drowned after being shot with a poisoned arrow and = stabbed with spears...and three, He was beheaded by Lapu Lapu..... I am no expert in history. Just some things that I have heard or read... Either way....your point still stands... Mike Barnes Inayan System of Eskrima Lenoir City, TN ------------------------------ From: David Fulton Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 09:43:57 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #482 Steven Drape wrote: > > >>Here I think you're focusing only on the weapon itself, rather than the >>other relevant issues. I agree that a sword is, in and of itself, superior >>to a stick, but only if you're familiar with how to use it. > > The post was about experienced users, as I recall. Yes, but I was trying to point out that what the user is experienced with, in relation to what they are armed with at the moment of conflict is also important. Part of the original question seemed, to me anyway, to ask who would have the advantage if the sword fighter had a stick and the stick fighter had a sword. Most of my comments were actually directed not at WHAT you were writing, but HOW you were writing it. For example, in one paragraph you said that if a stick fighter trains to use his stick like a blade, then he might have a chance against a sword fighter. Then in the next paragraph you said that sword and stick are nothing alike. You didn't give enough of an explanation to clarify these statements and so they stand in contradiction to each other when taken at face value. That's why you agreed with my statement about the angles/planes of attack being the same, but the degrees and subtleties being different. We didn't agree on everything, but in some cases, that wasn't why I responded to your post. > > Reality says! If you attack with an angle 1 knife slash with your arm >even slightly extended as you would do with a stick or sword, you will get >slashed to ribbons by your opponent, and even if you don't, you give him so >much time to react that the attack would be ineffective. > This is a mute point with me because we are taught NOT to "present" our hands during our stick & sword attacks either. Respectfully, Dave Fulton dfulton@computerpackages.com Full Contact Martial Arts Association "As iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another." ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 07:44:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #486 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com in directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan Eskrima, and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.