From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #487 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Tues, 16 Nov 1999 Vol 06 : Num 487 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Guro Dan Inosanto Interview eskrima: Re: Salem Assli book? eskrima: San Miguel Eskrima eskrima: Re: Philosophy? eskrima: Swords eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #486 Re: eskrima: San Miguel Eskrima eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan Eskrima, and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Al \"Got This Fish On The Move\"" Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:08:26 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Re: Guro Dan Inosanto Interview It's great to have an opportunity to read something current about one of the leaders in the FMA community and Steve's interview with Guro Inosanto provides just that. I was amazed with the fact that Guro Inosanto was able to quote the precise number of times he trained with one of the Machado brothers. I also enjoyed the fly and bee stories. Too bad I didn't read something like this 27 years ago. I would have kept a log of every time I trained in a martial art. Too late for me but probably not late for many of you out there. To read Steve Grantham's interview with Guro Inosanto visit http://www.francisfongacademy.com Respectfully, Al Sardinas Student of Garimot System of Arnis ------------------------------ From: HENSHIN@aol.com Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:21:51 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Salem Assli book? A couple of weeks ago, someone mentioned that Salem had written a Savate book. Someone else had said they were going to ask him about it and get more info. Sorry I don't remember the names involved, but has anything further been posted? I would love to have such a book, as well as find out what Salem is up to (it has been a few years since he gave me my silver glove). Thanks in advance. Cecil Burch "You are born at point A. You die at point B. Kick maximum ass along the way." Ted Nugent ------------------------------ From: "Al \"Got This Fish On The Move\"" Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:30:19 -0500 Subject: eskrima: San Miguel Eskrima This past weekend I had the opportunity of visiting the San Miguel Eskrima school located in lower Manhattan in New York City. Instructors James Seetoo and Ngo Vinh-Hoi and the rest of the students were very warm and friendly. The only thing cold about my experience there was that the window was open during the class and this Floridian was freezing as I watch them train just wearing T-shirts. From my brief exposure, I saw similarities between San Miguel, Doce Pares, Balintiwak, Tai Chi and my system. I would recommend the San Miguel Eskrima system to anyone who has the opportunity to study it. Respectfully, Al Sardinas Student of Garimot System of Arnis ------------------------------ From: David Fulton Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:34:51 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Re: Philosophy? At 07:20 PM 11/15/99 -0800, Chad wrote: > >First thing obvious from everyone is: "what one man would or would not >do, doesn't mean another man should or should not do". Questions are >posed to get the feel of different types of opinions out there. No one >can force his/her opinion on to someone else. Hmmm .... didn't you previously state "Although a lot of things are transferable on one page, once the technique is transferred from one to the other, they are used differently. Period."? Making a statement, followed by the word "period" as it's own sentence certainly seems to fall under the category of trying to force one's opinion on someone else. When I say that we >awnser questions, it means that you come and fight and what happens in >the fight awnsers your own question. Same is true for the Gatherings >or any other type of sparring. Only one person fights for you and that >person is...you. There is no such thing as right or wrong if you look >in the context of "did you get hit or not?". I now see what you meant about "answering questions", but I'd have to disagree about there not being any right or wrong. IMHO, if I got hit ... I did something wrong. >own question. Also, somtimes people can read a little too much into a >statement. This causes people to making rash and sometimes >irresponsible remarks. One statement can only be put on the screen >looking black or white. If you can not read it understanding that >every phrase is interpretted as different by everyone, ask the person >to clarify. There's truth in what you say, but it's even more rash and irresponsible for an individual to assume that they can write however they want and that everyone is just going to understand what was meant and not be offended by how things are said. You will periodically hear how difficult it can be to know what someone really means because it's difficult to convey tone in writing the way we do in speech. Just as we should try read someone's posts "understanding that every phrase is interpreted as different by everyone" we should write with that same understanding and be as clear as possible. >that Hawaii is this or that. If the attitude seems loud or arrogant, >it's not. It is direct and and my opinion. I believe strongly in what >I believe in because I have done it. If you didn't mean to come off as loud and arrogant, then no harm no foul. Unfortunately, there are so many people out there (in the world) with that loud, arrogant ,"in your face" attitude that people get real sick of seeing it or anything resembling it. Respectfully, Dave ------------------------------ From: Mushtaq Ali Shah Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 10:03:55 -0900 Subject: eskrima: Swords > >From: Todd Ellner >Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 16:34:29 -0800 >Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #482 > >>In otherwords folks, bet on two feet of sharp steel in the hands of a >>half-trained fighter against a stick in the hands of a master for one simple >>reason, you can take repeated hits with a stick, but all you need to do is >>touch with a sword. Oh yeah, there is also one more little detail, you can't >>rush a sword like you can a stick. It's kind of like trying to tackle a >>razor >>blade. This is one of the reasons I suggest to women that they get a sword >>for home defense. Even in a hallway where they cannot swing, rushing an edge >>isn't real bright. > >Hmm. Interesting. But do you suggest thrusting or cutting swords? The confines >of the upstairs part of our house and the clutter in the rest argue against >some sorts of edged weapons and in favor of others. In a cramped apartment >things would probably be even more different. > >Todd Todd, You might want to take a look at the Cutlass, IMHO one of the best all time close quarters weapons. With a well made one you can use both the edge and point with equal alacrity and it is capable of both shearing and draw cuts. Anyone with a fair background in FMA or Silat will be able to pick up the fundamentals in a few hours and become quite good with it in several weeks of diligent practice. Cold Steel makes a pretty good cutlass but you will want to check out the Atlanta Cutlery model 1860 Navel cutlass, it is less expensive and in my opinion a better design, and made with quite good steel. (Stay away from the Museum Replicas cutlass, it is well fabricated but the balance is off, it is too heavy, and you cannot use the point well). You will also find that the Malay Parang family of short swords work quite well for close quarters. Wassalam, Mushtaq Ali --------------------Come visit-------------------- --------Mushtaq Ali's virtual caravansarai-------- UNIVERSES CREATED, MAINTAINED and DESTROYED -------------------WHILE-U-WAIT------------------- http://www.chatlink.com/~mushtaq ------------------------------ From: Mark Ward Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 10:32:27 -0800 Subject: eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #486 > legal and safe use and storage of firearms. Not to mention that any less > than deadly techniques can be mixed in. Butt stroke an intruder with the > stock of a shotgun and then back off and you have created room for less than > deadly options based on the situation. I'm not Louis Awerbuck, Jim Cirillo, or Jeff Cooper, so take my opinions for just what they are, opinions. I've never fought with a firearm. I agree with what you've got to say with the exception of using less-lethal techniques with a firearm. I think that's asking for trouble in a lot of ways - you could get disarmed, the weapon could go off at an inopportune time, you open yourself up in the civil case that WILL happen after the encounter, etc. etc. IMHO, It's just a really bad idea. That's not to say you can't use MA techniques with a firearm, but you always protect the weapon. You don't pistol-whip someone, you use your live hand to whap them one etc. With a long arm, your options are much more limited. As for escalating force with a firearm, the technique used by some chain gang/work detail guards is to load the chamber of their shotgun with a beanbag, the next round is rubber ball, the next is #9 birdshot, then 00 buck. I don't think that approach is appropriate for civvies, but hey what do I know. Anyway, the point is that they are able to escalate force from less-lethal to lethal while still using the weapon in the manner it was designed to be used. To borrow a phrase from another list I read "hit with a club, shoot with a gun". My $0.02, mfw - ----------------------------------------------------------- markfward o_o mfw@quokka.com webmaster / )o www.quokka.com quokka sports (_/ $HOME = /dev/null -- ..-. .-- @ --.- ..- --- -.- -.- .- . -.-. --- -- - ----------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 12:11:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: eskrima: San Miguel Eskrima > From my brief exposure, I saw similarities between San Miguel, Doce Pares, > Balintiwak, Tai Chi and my system. I would recommend the San Miguel Eskrima > system to anyone who has the opportunity to study it. San Miguel was Momoy's system, yes? Momoy split off from Doce Pares after having a disagreement with Cacoy on how Cacoy was influencing change in DP (Momoy was Cacoy's teacher). Cacoy was doing all the fighting and was changing DP based on what he found that worked and what didn't (in stick fights). So San Miguel would probably be the older more linear style of DP. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 14:40:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #487 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com in directory pub/eskrima/digests. 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