From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #489 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Wed, 17 Nov 1999 Vol 06 : Num 489 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #488 eskrima: Re: FMA in Okinawa eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #488 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #488 eskrima: Re: San Miguel eskrima: Re:Swords? eskrima: Pencak Silat Summit/Society info. eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #487 eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan Eskrima, and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Fulton Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 11:01:52 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #488 Steve Drape wrote: > > If you don't extend your arm during your attack, then your range must be >very close. Do you use the waist and shoulder turn to generate power, >keeping the elbow and forearm close to your body? That is a corto style of >play. Any other range and you MUST extend the arm to strike. Can you explain >a little more how you would do it? > Hi Steve, Yes, our preferred range is definitely corto. I'm not sure what you mean by shoulder turn, can you elaborate please? However, the rest ... elbow & forearm close to the body with power coming from the waist is correct. Respectfully, Dave Fulton dfulton@computerpackages.com Full Contact Martial Arts Association "As iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another." ------------------------------ From: David Fulton Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 11:06:38 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Re: FMA in Okinawa > ><< I have not heard from anyone on this post reguarding this question. Does >anyone know of an instructor in the Filipino Martial Arts who is station at >Kadena AFB Okinawa Japan? Or anywhere on Okinawa? I will be stationed there > in May 00 and would like to join up with them. Please e-mail me details or >reply here. > >> I don't know about FMA on Okinawa, but might be able to help point you to some good karate dojo's if you you'd like. Email me privately if interested. Dave Fulton dfulton@computerpackages.com Full Contact Martial Arts Association "As iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another." ------------------------------ From: AnimalMac@aol.com Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 11:48:58 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #488 In a message dated 11/17/99 8:38:21 AM Mountain Standard Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << In my tiro stage of FMA I find it difficult to translate the stick skills (and I do practice with heavier sticks, usually about 11oz and up to 1 lb) to the cutlass. The cutlass feels very slow and some of the techniques just do not seem realistic (?abanikos). >> Good morning! And yes that is the odor of coffee! :D Welcome to the real world. One of the more evilly entertaining things I get when I am working swords is to watch someone with either fencing or kali training pick up my 2 1/2 pound broadsword Clyde. All of a sudden about 95 % of what they knew just went out the window. Weight makes a major difference of what techniques you can use. Also the requirements of hitting with the edge also make major differences as do parrying with the edge Yeah I know, big debate here...my stand from having a psycho try to regularly split my head with a sword and having the less than fun experience of my sword snapping because I parried flat - not to mention way too many disarms because I didn't parry with the edge - puts me firmly into the parry with the edge camp. (If you get your stick knocked out of your hand it's because you parried with the "flat" - such a block causes the sucker to twist like a trout in your hand. If anyone has a counter to this set of physics with weapons heavier than a pound I'll be more than willing to listen, but I don't think it's going to happen. Wtih lighter weapons you can counter the effect by a solid grip). At my wedding we had two scientist/swordfighters who sat there and for an hour discussed the physics of sword strikes. My jaw was on the floor as were the jaws of the rest of the wrecking crew. I figure I understood about 1/3 of what they were talking about. This is not a matter of what art you study, it is a matter of physics. You can't move that much weight in the same manner that you move a light stick. I heartily recommend you all go out and pick up a sword - not a Hong Kong katana, not a kris, not a tinfoil Wu-shu toy or an aluminum Bagua pig sticker - - but a real steel sword and try moving it around. You can go to Rennassaince Faires, Gun Shows, SCA events or collector stores. Then do your kali/escrima/arnis moves and see how different it really is. I keep on hearing people say that if you know sticks they apply to all weapons...take the test folks. You're gonna find out that while there are key elements in common, the differences are just as significant as the similarities. (For the record, that last statement was made by one of those scientist/swordsmen, who is also a kali practictioner). As to what style swordwork for home defense? It doesn't matter. As long as the person doesn't cock back like a baseball bat to hit a sharp blade will protect them - even against a rush and clinch. (remember, the pointy end goes into the other guy). There is also one thing that has been over looked. I can shoot someone from across the room, making my claim of self-defense questionable. But the guy has to be close for a sword to be effective. Close enough that he would pose a reasonable threat. This also makes it real hard for accidental beheadings...which a gun in the hands of a nervous person can (and often does) go off. As for chasing the guys down the street...illegal as all hell, but personally "You go girl!" ------------------------------ From: David Fulton Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 11:33:14 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #488 Mike Koblic wrote: > > >>You might want to take a look at the Cutlass, IMHO one of the best all time >>close quarters weapons. With a well made one you can use both the edge and >>point with equal alacrity and it is capable of both shearing and draw cuts. >>Anyone with a fair background in FMA or Silat will be able to pick up the >>fundamentals in a few hours and become quite good with it in several weeks >>of diligent practice. Cold Steel makes a pretty good cutlass but you will >>want to check out the Atlanta Cutlery model 1860 Navel cutlass, it is less >>expensive and in my opinion a better design, and made with quite good >>steel. (Stay away from the Museum Replicas cutlass, it is well fabricated >>but the balance is off, it is too heavy, and you cannot use the point well). >> Ok, I looked on the CS web site, but didn't find a cutlass. Where would I find info on their cutlass? > >Right now, if it hit the fan I would prefer to grab the 12" Cold Steel Kukri >with a Kraton handle or even the Cold Steel Assegai with a 12" blade and a >3' handle (extra reach, but one can choke up on it and use it close up). > Personally, I'd grab my Village Chainpuri Khukuri from Himalayan Imports. It's 20" OAL, with a 14.5" blade of hand forged high carbon steel. Unlike the standard Khukuri that people are accustomed to seeing, the Chainpuri and Sirupati are sleeker, lighter and more nimble. My Chainpuri fits nicely into my FMA style and between it's size and my FMA style, I'm able to maneuver it in tight hallways. You can find Himalayan Imports at: members.aol.com/himimp/index.html Bill Martino is a really nice person to deal with. If you contact him, tell him I said hello. Another good source of authentic Khukuris is Ghurka House at: http://www.cystern.com/khukuri/ Craig Gottlieb is also another really nice person. Tell him I said hello as well. You can't go wrong buying from either of them and there's something about a hand-forged, high carbon blade :o) Thanks, Dave Fulton dfulton@computerpackages.com Full Contact Martial Arts Association "As iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another." ------------------------------ From: "Dave Huang" Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 09:50:46 PST Subject: eskrima: Re: San Miguel I must admit my exposure to San Miguel is limited to what GM Diony and Master Ramon Rubia has shown me. The impression I get is that it is a "classical" style with the deep stances that I have seen in other Larga Mano systems I have studied. One aspect which is interesting is playing the espada y daga game at the larga range. I get the impression that it is more of a long blade oriented system. I know GM Cacoy does the thumb wrapped around the stick hold, I have also seen that in my limited exposure to San Miguel as well. Does anyone know of Cacoy's seminar schedule? Check out the latest issue of "Giant Robot" magazine for some martial arts related fun. Dave ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: TGAce@aol.com Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 12:49:26 EST Subject: eskrima: Re:Swords? Any man who brings a (sword) to a gunfight is a fool. ( )-insert any non-ballistic weapon here ------------------------------ From: "Perisai Setia" Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 13:04:43 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Pencak Silat Summit/Society info. Greetings to all, I am pleased to announce the formation of the International Pencak Silat Perisai Setia Society (Masjarakat Pencak Silat Perisai Setia Internasional) a society that is interested in the brotherhood of Pesilat and the sharing of Pencak Silat with individuals who may not have access to Pencak Silat training, especially martial arts schools who may be interested in starting a Silat program in their schools. I would also like to announce the Pencak Silat Summit 2000 to be held in August of 2000 and hosted by the Society. We are currently looking for instructors of Silat or Kun Tao who would be interested in volunteering to teach at the summit. In the past we have had Guru Besar Jim Ingram, Guru Besar Willem De Thouars, Guru Roedy Wiranatakusumah, and Guru Yana Sastrenegara. We are hoping to have some of these instructors back to teach along with others who may volunteer. Teaching space will be limited, if any one is interested in teaching please let me know as we will start our selection process soon. We will probably limit it to four or five instructors. If any one is interested in becoming a member of the society, in attending the Pencak SIlat Summit 2000 or in teaching at the summit, please contact me via email at talio1@villagenet.com or at (631) 654-0692. We will soon be announcing an early bird registration price for the Summit. Salam Hormat, Roberto Torres Talio Self Defense Academy Pencak Silat Perisai Setia "Iron sharpens iron, So one man sharpens another." Prov. 27:17 "Sebagaimana baja mengasah baja, begitu pula manusia belajar dari sesamanya." Amsal 27:17 ------------------------------ From: Todd Ellner Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 10:22:37 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #487 mfw writes: >I've never fought with a firearm. Guerilla semantics moment: "Have you ever shot a gun?" "No, your Honor." [but I've FIRED a lot of them.... :-] >That's not to say you can't use MA techniques with a firearm, but you always >protect the weapon. You don't pistol-whip someone, you use your live hand to >whap them one etc. With a long arm, your options are much more limited. I've found that FMA and IMA work very well with firearms technique. Espada y daga principles translate nicely to bowie knife y .45 for instance. The body mechanics of Sera and fundamentals like protecting or backing up each hand with the other are directly applicable to close-quarters work with the pistol. The first time we saw modern handgun retention stuff my wife and I both started naming the Silat principles and dasar involved. Protecting and bringing a short weapon to bear at close quarters doesn't change that much. >As for escalating force with a firearm, the technique used by some chain >gang/work detail guards is to load the chamber of their shotgun with a >beanbag, the next round is rubber ball, the next is #9 birdshot, then 00 >buck. I don't think that approach is appropriate for civvies, but hey what >do I know. The guards are likely to be firing at fair distances. In a home defense situation, for instance, you will probably not be shooting from more than a few yards away. At those ranges the rubber shot and bean bags can still be lethal. >Anyway, the point is that they are able to escalate force from less-lethal >to lethal while still using the weapon in the manner it was designed to be >used. To borrow a phrase from another list I read "hit with a club, shoot >with a gun". You might have to use the gun in some alternative way - to redirect so that you can bring it to bear or any of a number of other things. Think of the goal you wish to accomplish and consider the tool as a means to that goal. One of the reasons I like revolvers is that they make really dandy clubs once you run out of bullets, the thing malfunctions, or similar. As my first Silat teacher says "All you can rely on the gun to do is put holes in him at a distance. That way you'll be better off in the knife fight you were going to get into anyway." When it comes to risking my butt I am a pessimist by preparation. Todd ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 11:29:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #489 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com in directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan Eskrima, and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.