From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #491 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Thur, 18 Nov 1999 Vol 06 : Num 491 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #488 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #487 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #487 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #488 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #489 eskrima: website update eskrima: stickfighters vs.swords eskrima: Re: San Miguel Re: eskrima: Re: San Miguel eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan Eskrima, and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AKRKali@aol.com Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 18:58:20 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #488 In a message dated 11/17/99 9:38:22 AM Central Standard Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << It goes without saying that there is plenty of Karate and Kobudo but FMA your chances are slim to none. Only real chance may be to hook up with another military type. There is short stick in Kobudo, documented back in the 1800's, but it isn't widely found...it may be worth a look even just if for curiousity sake. Regards, Travis >> Thanks for replying Travis, I have been to Okinwa before, but was not into the FMA then. I am seasoned in Okinawan karate, but want to continue my FMA study and training. I teach here in Florida, but want to have someone I can contunue to train with myself to keep me moving forward. If anyone hears about another student of theirs going to Okinawa, please contact me. Maybe it is about time we started a class there. Dave ------------------------------ From: SReiter000@aol.com Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 19:50:12 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #487 In a message dated 11/16/99 2:47:08 PM Pacific Standard Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << From: HENSHIN@aol.com Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:21:51 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Salem Assli book? A couple of weeks ago, someone mentioned that Salem had written a Savate book. Someone else had said they were going to ask him about it and get more info. Sorry I don't remember the names involved, but has anything further been posted? I would love to have such a book, as well as find out what Salem is up to (it has been a few years since he gave me my silver glove). Thanks in advance. Cecil Burch >> actually it was the same person who said salem had a new savate book and would get more info on it -- me! - i'm still waiting to heard back from him and will post the info as soon as i get it -- steve ------------------------------ From: SReiter000@aol.com Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 19:58:36 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #487 In a message dated 11/16/99 2:47:08 PM Pacific Standard Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << from: "Al \"Got This Fish On The Move\"" This past weekend I had the opportunity of visiting the San Miguel Eskrima school located in lower Manhattan in New York City. Instructors James Seetoo and Ngo Vinh-Hoi and the rest of the students were very warm and friendly. >> i believe tom bisio (tuhon in ptk) was the only one certified under mamoy (or at least in the US) - all instructors come from him - from what i understand he has somewhat improved the system (no disrespect to mamoy) - he has add a chinese element - i can remember the style but it is supposed to be one which generates great power - and has incorperated the way to generate power into the strikes - making it even that much more effective - from what i understand - he perfers the style of pkt and will only teach pkt to a select few - he mainly only teaches san magiuel - (actually i hear he only teaches rearly anyway - and is more interested in chiropractic or massage theropy)- some of the facts may be distorted as i dont fully remember everything told to me verbatum - but the gist is correct - steve ------------------------------ From: SReiter000@aol.com Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 20:06:19 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #488 In a message dated 11/17/99 7:39:02 AM Pacific Standard Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << nd GM Abner Pasa uses techniques called San Miguel this or that from it, >> There are many techniques called san miguel - the old timers use saints as part of their prayers (oracion) to be them though the fight - san miguel was always on their right side to help them in a battle - so many techinques use his name - some times strikes that start on the right are called san miguel - guro dan has cordination drills named after each of the saints -- steve ------------------------------ From: SReiter000@aol.com Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 20:18:33 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #489 << You can go to Rennassaince Faires, Gun Shows, SCA events or collector stores. Then do your kali/escrima/arnis moves and see how different it really is. I keep on hearing people say that if you know sticks they apply to all weapons...take the test folks. >> i've played with several different sca stylist - and found several thing to hold true - when using kali - one is speed and foot work will beat them when using a lighter sword - i think this is why as warfare (the fencing arts) progressed through the ages lighter and lighter swords (and techniques for their use) were developed - a thrust is much faster then a hack - period - when using a heavy broad sword against broad sword - i enployed a doce manos method (very similar to single end staff) very sucessfully against their cinco teros - the only trouble i had was against a guy who used a shield in a crouched (almost kneeling) postion - still havent figured out how to beat him yet -- but he also couldnt score on me as long as i stayed in largo range -- steve ------------------------------ From: "Marc Denny" Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 18:47:33 -0800 Subject: eskrima: website update A Howl of Greeting to All: Cindy has updated our DBIMA website. The Oct., Nov., and Dec. technique sequences are up, there is a new feature of the various articles on the Dog Brothers and Dog Brothers Martial Arts from the US and around the world including those in foreign languages, (We left out the one that appeared in a German porno magazine however. ;-} ) and a couple of other things. Woof, Crafty Dog ------------------------------ From: "Fox_hound @bolt.com" Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 19:54:23 -0800 Subject: eskrima: stickfighters vs.swords Give me a break. The only difference with blocking a sword hit is that you'll be a little bit farther from your target due to the extension. You're probably thinking that the strenght of a two handed downward strike would mess up a person holding a kris with only one hand right? Well, I'd block with it an upper X block, lock it, slide right under the sword and slice. As for horizontal strikes, there are the the secondary blocks. Funny thing about FMA is that these arts aren't for show. When we can't go for the body we break the knee caps and anything else that bends. Just a few things from a stickfighter. I could be wrong. Get your very own FREE, private e-mail account at http://mail.bolt.com ------------------------------ From: Rocky Pasiwk Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 23:33:19 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Re: San Miguel HAHAHAHAHA ( My best dog panting ) here I come Ray! Bow Wow Bow WOW WOW!! Hope Marc doesn't sue me for some sort of copy right thing. Hey Ray guess what I am doing now!! :-) ( what an artist ah ) <\__? !! / \ : : : RAY Well on a more serious note, my understanding of San Miguel is that it is more or less the art that was originally taught to Momoy and Yolang Canette, and Anciong Bacon, by the Saavedra brothers many many moons ago. I know that Tom Bisio is probably the foremost authority on it. I have been meaning to train with Tom for the past few years, but than again I have been meaning to do a lot of things for the last few years, so we wont go there. I know it is more or less a linear art like Balintawak, and if its anything like the Saavedra method it is stick and dagger. Your best bet is to contact Tom Bisio in New York City, last I time I saw him he was living in China Town. On another note, I know I am a little behind on my posts, but my interpretation of the guy who posted something about the gene pool theory, is that if you are attack and forced to fight you have to fight as if you were fighting for your life. If you try this Karate creed crap, that I will harm instead of maim, maim instead of kill, or how ever the hell it goes, all I can say is that crap will get you killed in the streets that I am use to. I teach my students and will myself hit you with as much and as intense violence as I can possibly inflict upon your person if you come after me. I'll worry about the legalities later ( thats what Lawyers are for), especially if I have my wife and daughter with me. This is not a hard guy macho B.S statement I will always talk or weasel my way out of a confrontation now a days, but if you force me, that's your problem. And I kind of think that's what the gentleman was thinking about. And as far as the comments made by a few ( probably liberals ) " Who gives you the right to judge who lives and who dies" again I think the Gene Pool mans statement was a little misunderstood, but hey when you attack me! Your the one who gives me the right to choose!!!! Rocky ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 21:03:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: eskrima: Re: San Miguel > Ray guess what I am doing now!! :-) Anytime you wanna try... :) > Well on a more serious note, my understanding of San Miguel is that it > is more or less the art that was originally taught to Momoy and Yolang > Canette, and Anciong Bacon, by the Saavedra brothers many many moons > ago. I know that Tom Bisio is probably the foremost authority on it. Unsure about the first part, but yes, Bisio studied under Momoy and is the acknowledged authority on Momoy's San Miguel. > Gene Pool mans statement was a little misunderstood, but hey when you > attack me! Your the one who gives me the right to choose!!!! Do what you will, but realize... Yes, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, Mr. Rockford Pasiwk stated in public and in writing that he would... Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 20:55:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #491 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com in directory pub/eskrima/digests. 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