From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #498 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Thur, 2 Dec 1999 Vol 06 : Num 498 In this issue: eskrima: www.martialartsresource.com eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #497 eskrima: Happy Holidays! eskrima: San Miguel and Edge to Edge Contact eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #497 eskrima: Sunday Battle/This and That eskrima: Gotch/Ortho Re: eskrima: www.martialartsresource.com eskrima: Underwater Self Defense - Last Call for RSVP Re: eskrima: Sunday Battle/This and That eskrima: Re: Clearing Away Clouds Re: eskrima: Re: Clearing Away Clouds eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! 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Thanks, Kelvin Williams ------------------------------ From: "R Adams" Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 20:14:16 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #497 I just had the opportunity and honor to work with Dr. R. Estilillo, at the studio of Edward Bansuelo. this man is really a joy to learn from and I was curious if anyone else had the opportunity of working with Master Estilillo? Raleigh Adams, Sacramento Ca ------------------------------ From: "Joshua Hutchinson" Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 20:23:39 PST Subject: eskrima: Happy Holidays! Hello all! I just wanted to wish everyone a Happy/Merry Winter Solstice, Kwanzaa, Chanukah, Boxing Day, Christmas, mmmm... up and coming Ramadan, and.... Ahhh, you get the point! I wish you all well! It's sure good to have the digest back up. Welcome back and many thanks, Ray! Mabuhay Ang Eskrima!!! Fry Bread ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com ------------------------------ From: jimms@pipeline.com Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 00:04:10 -0500 Subject: eskrima: San Miguel and Edge to Edge Contact Re. San Miguel Eskrima Thanks to Tuhon McGrath for clearing up some of the linear vs. fluid controversy. San Miguel is geared toward espada y daga or stick and dagger, i.e. a long and short weapon. While we do have a double stick work, most of it is not the traditional sinawali type movement where the left hand follows the same pattern as the right. Often the left and right hand are doing separate things. For example, blocking and striking with the same stick as in a single stick technique with the second hand following with a strike from a different angle. This follows the same principle as using the stick and dagger. In further exploring the system, we have found that every piece of San Miguel fits into a modular pattern, that is parts of the various drills and forms can be plugged in to different situations and even other drills. Tuhon McGrath expressed an interest in San Miguel double knife and I would say that it would fit into the same pattern. That is, most movements would not follow a sinawali type pattern. Having studied Pekiti Tirsia as well as San Miguel, I would propose that the difference in the preferred fighting distance would account for the difference in approach. San Miguel is much more of a "sword" or pinote type system that relies on proper distance to counter an opponent's speed. The hand movements are often smaller because you cover a smaller distance in countering an attack. I have found that PT's closer distancing and the footwork emphasis on triangles and sidesteps are very conducive to sinawali type movements. Also, certain drills such as tapping, sagong labo(sp?), broken and fluid six etc. train reflexes and footwork for closing and flanking an opponent. Also, the striking patterns of PT as I learned them are especially conducive to "icepick" style knife fighting. San Miguel, because of distance holds the stick at a slightly different angle. Re. Edge to Edge contact, Western swordplay post armor developed a way to deal with edge to edge contact by having the first third of the blade thicker and less sharp, known as the forte, used for parries and the second two-thirds sharp or foible and used for attack. This has come down to modern fencing in that an attack on the blade or "beat" is considered a failed attack if it lands too low on the blade. James M. Seetoo Instructor, San Miguel Eskrima. ------------------------------ From: "Steven Drape" Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 23:18:32 PST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #497 > > learned it from Momoy. I recall a good percentage of "flywheels" in the > > technique. > > I thought it was a graceful and fluid technique not > > "liniear" at all (if by liniear one means the opposite of fluid). I believe the "linear" referred to the footwork, rather than techniques. I agree that it is quite fluid, but since it is based on the Spanish styles of espada y daga, the footwork more closely resembles that of fencing. >The handle remained firmly in his hand >as the blade went flying off ...(fortunately no one was hurt). The same thing happened at a tournament I attended years ago, and the blade ended up stuck in the gym floor, an event that did not please the school officials at all!! Steve ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Chad Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 01:44:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: Sunday Battle/This and That 6 fighters and 19 fights total. Big Joe came out from San Jose and put his stick on the field. Leroy came and fought for the second time and has shown big improvements. These two guys have all fought me, Stuart, and James once before and kind of underestimated each other making it one of the interesting fights of the day when they met for the first time. I played on the outside and picked more of the hand shots without crashing in that day. Nothing spectacular or pretty, but I averaged about 8 solid hand shots per fights(except with Stuart), and without the thick glove it would have played out differently. I think Stuart was looking for his openings but no one wanted to stay close enough to him to do it that day. James put on two fights before Stuart made his pointer finger joint twice the normal size. Shame, I was looking forward to playing with him. John learned to move his leg from last Sunday and hopefully he learns to move his hand for next Sunday. Big Joe immediately noticed the inexperience in John when they fought and definitely took advantage denting John's mask(which is actually our extra mask). BTW, anyone out there in San Jose, contact Big Joe for some fun training, he has the gear and some of our fights on tape and I know he fell in love with the full contact. We have a date to meet next year with him and do it again. Had fun guys!!! Big Joe and Stuart are on the digest and I hope to hear their takes on Sunday. Guys? - - On a little different note, not addressed to any one person in particular, while we understand that what we do is not exactly what the men in the PI did in the death matches, it is far from unrealistic. While we understand that their are many levels of training, we also feel that full or real contact stickfighting is one of those levels. I would not be able to step out there and fight like I fight if I didn't have the drills and the basics drilled into my head and body mechanics a countless number of times. Fighting did however make me understand my training a little differently. For those that say the training gear is unrealistic...you start out with what you need and when you believe in yourself you start taking gear away or lighten up the gear. Of course, this decision is up to the individual as you must believe in your skills and at the same time be honest with yourself. There have been a few "instructors" that should thank their stars that they had some of the gear on. On the note of unrealistic training, Stuart wears only a fencing mask, baseball gloves, and a shin pad(only because his battle wound hasn't completely healed yet) while James wears his Kombat Instruments fencing mask (free plug, Nick) and leather gloves, while I am wearing the same gloves as Stuart and no shoes(I slipped to many times and am too poor to buy cleats, however find it more energetic to fight this way) and a mask that will bend if you squeeze it hard with one hand. Repect to the forefathers that paved the way...among all the old men that fought hard and created the drills so we didn't have to learn the hard way, all the warriors that fought for the Philippines over all the years, the Dog Brothers, Eric, Arlan, and Marc(and all the rest)for making real contact a little more publicly acceptable, and all the others that keep the arts alive. ===== "Draw me not without reason, sheath me not without honor" Chad Hawaii __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "Mikal Keenan" Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 08:48:50 -0600 Subject: eskrima: Gotch/Ortho Ola muchacho... I don't know how Medicare fits into their picture, but HealthSouth in Birmingham, Alabama might be worth a look. I think that HealthSouth did Bo Jackson's hip surgery. No slouches there I hear. Be well, Mik ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 07:43:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: eskrima: www.martialartsresource.com > > Is the MAR Filipino website working? Yep. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: TaoArt@aol.com Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 10:37:36 EST Subject: eskrima: Underwater Self Defense - Last Call for RSVP If you or a member of your department or school/club will be attending the Underwater Self Defense course on Monday, December 6th at 8PM at the Waltham Athletic Club, please send a response via email or call (781) 271-1491 before Saturday, December 4th so that we may assemble a visitor list. If you do not rsvp, you may be turned away at the door. Additional Notes: The $10 Facility Fee is waived for Police and Fire/Rescue Personnel. You might want to bring goggles for the practice. Towels are available for an additional $2. Men should bring athletic cups. Wear durable clothing (like jeans and t-shirt). Bring an extra set of dry clothes. You might want to bring a "Wet bag" to tote your wet clothes home in. Course begins at 8PM... you can arrive as early as 7PM. This event will be covered by Boston's Channel 7 News with both surface and underwater video footage. As well, the Boston Sports Journal will be attending. You may be approached for an interview. Directions: I-95/128 Southbound: Take a right onto exit 27A (Totten Pond Road). The offramp places you on Tottem Pond Road which you will follow to the end (1.3 miles). At the end take a right onto Lexington Street. Immediately bear left at the fork, staying on Lexington Street. Go through one set of lights. The Waltham Athletic Club is roughly 100 yards past the lights on the left hand side. If you come to Blockbuster Video, you have gone too far. I-95/128 Northbound : Take a left onto exit 27A (Totten Pond Road).The offramp places you on Tottem Pond Road which you will follow to the end (1.3 miles). At the end take a right onto Lexington Street. Immediately bear left at the fork, staying on Lexington Street. Go through one set of lights. The Waltham Athletic Club is roughly 100 yards past the lights on the left hand side. If you come to Blockbuster Video, you have gone too far. Press Release: Cooperative Learning Exchange: Underwater Self Defense and Safety On Monday, December 6th, Guard Up, Inc. and the Waltham Athletic Club in Waltham, MA will be hosting a "Cooperative Learning Exchange" with specialists from different communities. The subject of this gathering will be Underwater Self Defense and Safety. An open invite is available to any martial artists and self defense practitioners who specialize in grappling and control techniques. As well, we welcome any police, coast guard, lifeguards and scuba instructors who would be interested in teaching/learning about this subject. We will be meeting at the Waltham Athletic Club at 8:00PM on Monday, December 6th. We will be practicing techniques in the pool WHILE wearing street clothes, so bring an extra set of dry clothes for after. There is a $10 facility fee for use of the pool and showers/locker rooms. Please keep in mind: The purpose of this meeting is to exchange and develop ideas regarding self defense in an underwater environment. The term "self defense" is in regards to maintaining your own safety when dealing with someone who is inadvertantly (as in rescue scenario) or purposefully (as in assault) trying to drown you. This is NOT a competitive or "free for all" course. There will be a high priority placed upon safety for participants. Due to the risky nature of this environment, any actions that are not in keeping with safety precautions will result in expulsion from the class. This course will be documented with underwater video. This is a great opportunity to meet many of the area's experts and be a part of developing a program that could save lives. Bring your brain but leave your ego at the door. For more information, or to register for participation, call Guard Up, Inc. at (781) 271-1491 or email guardup@guardup.com. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 08:13:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: eskrima: Sunday Battle/This and That > 6 fighters and 19 fights total. Big Joe came out from San Jose and put > his stick on the field. I'm in San Jose (California). Is Big Joe from San Jose, too? Where abouts? Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ted Truscott Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 08:07:05 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Re: Clearing Away Clouds Hi Ray, could we have a Publisher and isbn for this book, sounds like my kind of read. Ted Truscott "the fighting old man" ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 09:04:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: eskrima: Re: Clearing Away Clouds > > could we have a Publisher and isbn for this book, sounds like my kind of read. > Amazon.com shows it as Weatherhill, 0834804689. (I'm at work right now and the book is at home) Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 08:51:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #498 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com in directory pub/eskrima/digests. 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