From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #506 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Thur, 9 Dec 1999 Vol 06 : Num 506 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Djurus and Langkas [none] eskrima: Sundry eskrima: preliminary comments eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #505 eskrima: Re: Djurus & langkas eskrima: re: escrima/eskrima eskrima: djuru langka sayaw eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan Eskrima, and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: abass@iname.com Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 00:40:54 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Re: Djurus and Langkas I've just uploaded to my FMA site a series of striking with footwork drills that I use use to warm up. Check them out if you like at: http://www.geocities.com/athens/pantheon/5640 They are in an Excel 97 spreadsheet (all lined up nicely with cool little feet graphics :-) and print out very nicely. I believe they fit the 'Walking the Langka' definition below quite well. ashley > A Langka is a particular footwork pattern, typically the "Stairs" pattern > which teaches the entry footwork and angles. What is interesting is that > the two can be combined. You can perform djurus repetitively while > "Wlaking the Langka". So you step along the Pattern, perform a Djuru, then > step again, perform a djuru, etc. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ All the busy little creatures Chasing out their destinies Living in their pools They soon forget about the sea... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~N.P.~~~ ------------------------------ From: "steve reiter" Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 21:30:41 -0800 Subject: [none] hi randy - sorry bro - guess i misunderstood your post -i thought your were saying that only the foot work aspect of kali translated to long/heavy blades - and that kali didnt use blades at all or at least not heavy ones -- thanx for the clarification to Geralyn - there are many forms of kali eskrima/arnis - which are different - so in one sense eskrima isn't eskrima - but thats a different discussion - the difference in the spelling is because there is no "c" in the Philippine alphabet - when it came to america it got basterdized by some (me included - just look at my e-mail addy) and we dumb americans started spelling it incorrectly with a "c" instead of a "k" because of the rule of english ------------------------------ From: "Marc Denny" Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 23:23:18 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Sundry A Howl etc: Taking prompt advantage of my temporary sacrum problems, steve "in search of the shift key" reiter lightheartedly commented > i do hereby challenge you to a full contact match - winner take all - no > armour - sticks and grappling - EVERY MORNING BETWEEN 3:00 and 5:00 AM - - > just kidding - we can make it 6:00 am -- hope you feel better - > > steve Thanks for the good wishes steve and those who e-mailed privately, including the one who turned "sacrum" into the spoonerism "scrotum" ;-). The body is an amazing thing. For near two months I have been going at this thing as a question of bio-mechanical alignment and about 10 days ago Hot Dog talked me into going to a Chinese DOM in the neighborhood who he said had really helped his shoulder. To make a long story short, he listened to my pulse in the Chinese way (what is it; six pulses? how do they do that?!?) and diagnosed me as having my chi out of whack (my term, not his) in the stomach meridian. In addition to the acupuncture he prescribed some Chinese herbs. Some 7 hours in pungent brewing for six days running, these were NOT popular with my Cindy, but be it coincidence or not, my stretching and weightlifting routines that were fruitless before have begun to succeed and things are headed back towards alignment. I actually was able to sleep until 6:30 this morning! - --------------------------------- Pat wrote of Guro I. > Now if at my age I could train but a fraction of that I think I would be > passing all my expectations. I watched him take part on the mat with > Mauricio Gomez of Gracie Barra at a seminar here in the UK the other week. > His enthusiasm is beyond reproach. > > Pat > Aberdeen Martial Arts Group When I was in England this past May for Krishna Godhania, he was kind enough to drive me over to Mauricio Gomez's school a couple of times for a lesson. MG is one of a handful of black belts under the legendary Royles (sp?) Gracie (the one who died in the hang gliding accident) who many consider to have been the best Gracie ever. I was graciously received and pummeled ;-) and he showed me his distinctive trademark way of submitting while doing knee control. When I told Rigan about him he didn't recognize the name, but when I showed him the technique he knew exactly whom I was talking about. Pat, please give MG my thanks; I have nailed several people with it, including one 240 pounder. - ----------------------------------------- Jon wrote: > For any kind of contact training in FMA I would recommend some cricket gloves. The ones I have seen are very good but leave the thumb nail exposed. ------------- concerning her friend with the guntinged nerve problem, Jocelyn wrote: > I think she had X-rays and the rest, and from what I understand, the > sheath around the nerve was "bruised" or damaged somehow, although not > torn. Pressure from the swollen muscle around it made it worse. She can use > the arm pretty well now; it's just that sometimes depending on what she's > been doing with it, it gets worse. I guess time is the only thing, and I'm > sure it'll never be fully healed. Actually I wouldn't be so sure of that. Based upon unfortunately extensive experience I would like to offer the thought that perhaps the pressure from the swollen muscle has kept the nerve in an irritated state and that the attendant pain has caused her to subconsciously shift how she holds her arm and that the current problem may be not so much a matter of the nerve but a consequence of subtle misalignment at the shoulder and perhaps at the point in the spine from which the nerve in question originates. Also to consider is that there is some sort of energy blockage in the nerve that acupuncture could help. In the absence thereof you might try ice. Anyway, there it is. Woof, Crafty ------------------------------ From: "Marc Denny" Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 23:55:42 -0800 Subject: eskrima: preliminary comments A Howl etc: steve "in search of the shift key" reiter wrote: > to tuhon bill: > a few issues back Arlan (org. dog bro.) and i where having a discussion on > whats better - to use foot work or to stand toe to toe and duke it out - > being a imposing figure of a man, who's stature is foreboding (sic)- standing > around 6'0 give or take, and about 250 lbs. give or take - i'm sure you can > go toe to toe and duke it out with the best of them - which is why i want to > pose this query to you in particular - would you, when faced with a fight, > be it on the street or in the ring - or at a gathering/lion heart tourney > prefer to stand toe to toe, mano-a-mano - exchange blows, and see who's left > standing - or would you prefer to use foot work - get in - strike "x" number > of blows - get out (of range - hopefully unscathed) - repeat process until > your advisory (sic) is duly punished > > thanx > steve reiter Top Dog and I were at the Inosanto Academy last night. While waiting for Chris Sayoc to begin teaching (and Very Impressive it was!) we were on the phone with Salty Dog who said that he had responded but was continuing to have computer problems (Y2 que sera' sera') and wasn't sure that it had gotten through. So until he can get through in his own right with his advisory, I would summarize his point as being that he preferred toe-to-toe when he thought he had the edge over his adversary ;-) Who could argue with that? Anyway, given his power and composure under pressure, that would be damn near all the time. Still, from my own point of view, and I suspect Top and Salty's too, its not a question of which way is better, just which is more appropriate (i.e. doable) in the situation at hand. No way as way and all that. Woof, Crafty ------------------------------ From: MdlAgdLftr@aol.com Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 07:05:38 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #505 >>I was just wondering if the martial art escrima and eskrima are the same but different spelling<< As far as I understand (corrections are welcome here, I learn from them, too) there is no "C" sound or letter in most Filipino dialects, so the spelling "eskrima" is more accepted. I believe (again, I could be wrong), the spelling "escrima" denotes the Spanish influence upon the arts and the culture. Kim Satterfield ------------------------------ From: "Branwen Thomas" Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 11:04:55 -0330 Subject: eskrima: Re: Djurus & langkas Thanks everyone for the explanation & examples. We don't actually do them as patterns, but I can "see" them now when I train. I'm going to try and incorporate it more into my shadowboxing/warmups. cheers, :) jocelyne Roaring Girl * Purveyor Of Fine Books * Beater Of Bodhrans * Smiter Of The Wicked * * Owned By Angus, Most Elegant And Pleasing Of Cats * ------------------------------ From: "Branwen Thomas" Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 11:09:13 -0330 Subject: eskrima: re: escrima/eskrima Geralyn, they both refer to the same art(s) - I believe in Tagalog (one of the many languages of the Philippine islands) there is no "c", and so "eskrima" is the more traditional spelling. This is similar to Celtic languages, where there was no "C " in the alphabet - I'm always correcting friends who pronounce it "Seltic" (argh) - it should be pronounced "Keltic" . If you want to get really confused, try Welsh ! at least that's what I was taught.... :)jocelyne Roaring Girl * Purveyor Of Fine Books * Beater Of Bodhrans * Smiter Of The Wicked * * Owned By Angus, Most Elegant And Pleasing Of Cats * ------------------------------ From: brosterj@qesmansfield.schoolzone.co.uk Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 15:23:06 -0000 Subject: eskrima: djuru langka sayaw >From: "Bradley Ryan" >Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 12:21:58 PST >Subject: eskrima: djurus, langas, sayaws >Along with the below post, I would also like to know what "Sayaws" are. I >have seen that Unique Publications has a Silat video series by Roberto >Torres, and that Part 2 is Sayaws. I would like to know more. >- -Bradley Ryan As far as I am concerned what we have here is several words from different SE Asian languages that all imply similar, but nevertheless different, things. Sayaw is a Filipino word for form (as in kata) and is the word used by WEKAF to describe its form competition. Other Filiipino artists often use the term anyo. Mr Torres' system appears to be a blend of: kuntao silat from Willem de Thouars, Visitacion kuntao and arnis Lanada from both P. Lanada and P. Marinas.As such he uses a mix of terminology that is strongly Filipino in origin. He uses the term BALANGKA to describe his footwork sets and sayaw to describe general forms. His forms have a very strong Chinese influence in them. I am in the process of building a web site that will carry reviews of FMA and IMA books and videos, including Mr Torres tapes, it should be running by the end of the month. Djuru and langka are the two words that describe Indonesian hand and footwork forms respectively. Obviously, because of the huge overlap between the kali and silat communities in the West, these terms are often used away from their native arts. Mabuhay Jon. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 07:59:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #506 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com in directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan Eskrima, and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.