From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #509 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Fri, 10 Dec 1999 Vol 06 : Num 509 In this issue: eskrima: Re : Chinese Medicine eskrima: Re: filipino words and spelling eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #508 eskrima: The Gunting Thing: Nerve in extremity, nerve exiting spine eskrima: IESA release eskrima: Re: Chinese Medicine eskrima: Re: Footworking or Dancing eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #508 eskrima: Underwater Self Defense course a Success! eskrima: Eastern medicine eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan Eskrima, and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "gary" Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 03:48:11 +0800 Subject: eskrima: Re : Chinese Medicine It is good to hear that Mr. Mike Koblic has benefit from the Chi Kung exercise. Every exercise have its own benefit to our health, Chi Kung, Tai Chi etc is a kind of exercise that may be more suitable for the people who may not be able to do a "Large Movement" exercise. However, beside health and healing, Chi Kung and Tai Chi are Martial art. For example, many people know Tai Chi only by their out look, that is slow moving, silent and full of smooth movement. BUT they haven't really seen the inside of real Tai Chi, let's make an examlpe, Wu Style Tai Chi, the structure of this Tai Chi system consists of One Slow Tai Chi Rountine, One fast Tai Chi rountine, one sword, Sabra and Spear Rountine, 8 standard Push Hand methods, PLUS the most important the Internal Strenght and Combat Skills Training (San Sau). If you want to use tai chi as a martial art that can be able to defence yourself, you need to study and master all of the above contents. If you just learn the Slow Tai Chi Rountine, you will never be able to use Tai Chi as a Martial Art. Many people do not have a complete knowledge in Tai Chi, the information they get is by watching people doing "Tai Chi Slow Exercise" in the garden. Since many of the above contents, like push hand and Internal Strength is not likely to practice outdoors, since push hand is a form of "Soft Combat" drills, when you practice, you need to wear protection gear when you really into it, the push hand by simple example is like a combination of "Wing Chun" Chi Sau, Aidkio and Judo. You can use pushing, slight punching, strip legs etc during the drills. SO it is not "half-a-mile-per-hour velocity" the speed of push hand can be "a shooting arrow". Beside the Tai Chi, the acupuncture, how a days, the needle use in acupuncture is "Use once only" that is use one time and will throw away immediately. So every needle is new and clean and will only use on one person and on one spot only, that is, if a person need to pin in 5 spot, than 5 individual needle is needed. Really can't see any chance for transmission of disease. The beauty of acupuncture--- It is very good for people who have "nersve system" kind of sickness and pain, and people who is not suitable to take "Mouth eating Medicince". Since when people sick, may affect their digesting power, so if you intake medicine, if the people may not be able to digest it, or just half-digestion, may be will affect the efficient of the medicince. gary ------------------------------ From: "Vincent Bollozos" Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 09:41:34 PST Subject: eskrima: Re: filipino words and spelling Quick addendum sorry my mistake >Balanka is a tagalog word that means fundamental or >basic, but it's not a word used a lot balanka should be balangkas ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Carlton H. Fung, D.D.S." Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 09:45:30 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #508 Steve writes: > From: "steve reiter" > Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 15:19:57 -0800 > Subject: eskrima: response to carlton > > carlton wrote . > > I don't quite understand the point of the original poster since you use > footwork to > make "toe to toe" effective.> > > the thread started same time ago by chad - it was something about real > contact fighting (i think their first one in hawaii) and how good it was to > fight and something about egded weapons -- i replied to him - saying while > its good to go full contact masters wouldt stand toe-to-toe and slug it > out - they wouldnt get hit on their way in or out only be hitting you... > blah blah blah....instead of what i consider crash and bash like is done at > gatherings - blah blah -- arlan writes back - somethings you just gotta > stand your ground - trade blows - let the stronger man survive .. blah > blah -- ect ect... need to go back and re-read everything from like 10 > digests ago to get what i'm tring to say - and to respond to you - you dont > need foot work to make toe to toe effect - standing toe to toe requires we > walk up to each other and just start trading blows - as opposed to me > avoiding and opening attack - geting somewhere between 135 degrees to 270 > degrees to you - (if standing face to face i was at your 90 degree line - > 135 translates to me being at 45 degrees to you 270 translates to me being > behind you staring at the back of your head) and attacking you from there - > you couldnt hit me becuase of your body angle yet i could hit you at will -- > ect ect ect blah blah blah-- Steve, I still think what I posted holds. I am sure we really agree. We are from similar roots. I started Guro I and B in 1974. It is the web forum that screws up the communications. to me Toe to Toe means standing your ground and taking having your way with your opponant and therein may be our problem of understanding each other. If Guro I ,to take an example, and I where sparring he would move in on me and appear to "stand" there and beat me silly because I would not have the footwork skill to outmaneuver him. I know you have worked with him and he makes some technique look easy then you try it on your partner and you can't do it! I've been there we all have been there. You see he is beating me on the head and you are trying to pickup the cool handwork and you don't even see the very cool footwork he uses to keep me in his pocket! However, if the game was Guro I and maybe Guro Bustillo perhaps it would look more like 2 guys moving with deft footwork trying to get the angle in on the other to get the blows. I really think this toe to toe vs in out relates more to the skill/strength difference between one oponant and the other. Who can dominate either mentally or physically is the game. When you see at the gatherings 2 guys standing toe to toe, while it is real contact ,there is "real protection" lite fencing masks and lite gloves or not. The game would then change and you can bet there would be a lot less toe to toe because the gear is the great equalizer. Any toe to toe that exists would quickly end as one superior man either by strength or skill would end the contest quickly. The mear fact that so many of these type contests end on the ground show that either the opponants are not capitalizing on the effects of having a weapon/stick or the gear is neutralizing the effect of the weapon. So as the gear neutraliazes the effect of the weapon you go to the ground because the gear does you no good when you get arm barred. Notice how at a DB gathering once the ground game comes in, it is not a stick fight. the sticks are out of play most of the time, the ref removes any remaining fencing masks as the guys wrestle most of the time, the players strip off their hockey gloves as they fight for position most of the time. How many macho guys are out there who would not be cowering away with their hands on their heads after a good stick hit? I've seen and felt those large dents in the fencing mask from stick hits. Thank God for the fencing mask and the CUP! Many brave people with gear would look at the picture very differently without gear. That is one critical reason why there is no one best training method. Each person has to evaluate their personal goals and agenda and come up with a training strategy to get there. Jeff writes: > From: "Jeff T. Inman" > Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 16:42:21 -0700 (MST) > Subject: eskrima: Re: crash and bash, etc > > If the other guy is playing crash and bash, and is any good at > crashing and bashing, then you are probably in trouble if your only > tool is deft footwork. Yeah, yeah, footwork is important. Very > important. But sometimes it will just happen that the other guy will > decide to mix it up at a moment that is inconvenient for you. > Watch 2 fighters one really good one who sucks. Let the sucky guy try and run at you and hit you all he wants. Guess what ,if your footwork is any good he can't get close. If the guy is "any good at crash and bash" you have to be better at footwork. I think it is an important excercise to play the crash and bash vs footwork and crash and bash vs footwork with strongarm. Strongarm is like a shoulderstop in boxing and simulates your movement in and out of the pocket as you manuver with footwork and it gives the crash and basher something to be fearful of as a good stongarm stop on the basher really hurts. So the game is give and take and really addresses this exact issue. Jeff also wrote: > What is difficult for beginners to see in a stick fight is the > delicate balance of pressure between two fighters. Great statement! There is nothing more ture than this point. Jeff wrote:> > I would still perfer to get in - hurt someone and get out - taking no > > chance - rather then so macho sh#t like "I can take anything you can throw > > at me, and still kick your a%#" - This is not standing toe to toe. This is stupidity. You stand toe to toe as long as you have the upper hand. Regards, Carlton H. Fung, D.D.S. Redondo Beach, Ca. ------------------------------ From: "Mikal Keenan" Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 12:27:24 -0600 Subject: eskrima: The Gunting Thing: Nerve in extremity, nerve exiting spine With all due respect, a gunting to the elbow area does not impact any structures which affect nerves at their point of exit from the spinal column, i.e., via the intervertebral foramen. Some of the peripheral symptoms described for the elbow region after the gunting could occur after an injury affecting the spine, but it is highly unlikely that the symptoms described have anything to do with the spinal nerves. The damage is local. It i spossible to cause spinal problems by antalgic behavior, "favoring" the injured part ... which results in unbalanced posture and movement. Just another reason for taking care of our injuries ASAP, especially if they cause us to alter the ways that we sit, stand, walk, carry/use things, etc. I was on crutches ("toe touch") for a hip fracture for 3 months 15 years ago. I still work to correct the resulting sacroiliac imbalance (and "the Dr. Weil" says that if chiro doesn't work in 2 or 3 visits, forget it ... aiya!). Be well, Mik ------------------------------ From: "IESA" Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 10:36:06 -0800 Subject: eskrima: IESA release Dear Eskrima Digest Members, > Within a few weeks, there will be a private, > informal ceremony wherein Master Sultan Uddin will be > assigning colored sashes and documenting rank within IESA for > a few qualified members. There will be a few invited > guests, also, who will witness this event. > > This assignment of rank represents the dedication > these individuals have demonstrated to learning and > promoting the art. For the higher ranking > individuals, this also represents full authority by > Master Sultan Uddin to go abroad, if they choose so, > to teach and uphold the art of Eskrima Serrada. As > Master Uddin has said, there has not been a group of > students until now that has demonstrated the > dedication and desire to learn and carry the art. > This is a first within the IESA system. > > Thank you, > > Bob Manalo, Jr. > IESA > +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | The coolest site for free home pages, email, chat, e-cards, movie info.. | | http://www.goplay.com - it's time to Go Play! | +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ From: Glenn J Smits Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 13:43:07 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Re: Chinese Medicine Michael Koblic wrote: >Do not forget that acupuncture has complications including >abscesses, Hepatitis B, C, and HIV transmission and even pneumothorax. >Caveat emptor! Mr. Koblic is correct that acupuncture does have risks as does any other health care system that uses any type of invasive therapy (in this case the insertion of needles into the body). However, since the advent of the use of sterile, disposable, one time use needles that 95% of all acupuncturists in this country now use, even the risk of transmission of infectious diseases is and has been negligible. As for damage to internal organs (and you are correct, pneumothorax caused by a needle puncture to the pleural cavity surrounding the lung would be about the most dangerous) is also a risk. This however happens extremely rarely and would have to result from an extremely careless insertion by a practitioner. All licensed acupuncturists in this country that are certified by the NCCAOM (National Commision for the Certification of Acupuncture and Oriental Medicine) which is the certifying agency for 37 states as of this writing must undergo a mandatory CNT (clean needle technique) course using OSHA guidelines prior to certification. This includes information on the transmission of infection including Hep A-E, HIV, TB, staph, etc., proper sterilization technique and proper needling technique. Passing a written exam AND a practical examination demonstrating the proper preparation of a clean field, safely self needling two random points specified by the proctor and properly and safely removing and disposing of the needles are required before the certificate is issued. And yes, people do fail and have to retake the course. Additionally, the NCCAOM has just raised the bar for qualifying for certification. All acupuncturists now must have completed a 3 year (9 trimester) Master of Science program including 1500 hours of supervised clinical internship treating patients. Most programs also now include intensive training in the western biosciences including western physical exam, pharmacology, pathophysiology, and orthopedic and neurological assessment. All of this insures the delivery of a very safe and effective system of health care that stands up to the highest levels of scrutiny IMHO. Anyone planning to visit an acupuncturist should ask questions about their training and background. If they are legitimate they won't mind. Please also remember that there is a difference between a licensed acupuncturist and an MD or DC who is certified to practice acupuncture. An acupuncturist must complete a 2,000-4,000 hour graduate course under stringent guidelines. MD's and DC's in a lot of states only have to complete a 100-300 hour program usually done in a seminar format. About 200 hours of the program is lecture and video instruction. It makes a difference. In many states, MD's don't even have to be certified or trained in acupuncture to practice it. I apologize for the lengthy off topic response, but I felt compelled to clarify the standards of our profession in view of Mr. Koblic's statement. Respectfully submitted, Glenn Smits "What is needed is not the will to believe, but the wish to find out." Bertrand Russell ------------------------------ From: ARNISTE@aol.com Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 14:06:12 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Footworking or Dancing Meowmix to all, In the FMA sytem footwork is very important or dancinng around your opponent is best term to say. There are so many footworking in the system but the one I`ve been using is the Diamond Shape footwork which the TRACMA International headed by Red Belt Master Trovador Ramos . His name is in the book of Master`s of Master. Nelson"PinoyKowboy"Trinidad Combat Arnis Tabak Society(CATSociety) Arniste@aol.com/CATS@dotplanet.com ------------------------------ From: AnimalMac@aol.com Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 14:11:08 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #508 In a message dated 12/10/99 9:33:50 AM Mountain Standard Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Again, based on your perception that you could do that, one of the biggest misconceptions I see in Martial arts is everybody thinks they are the one who's going to be kicking butt, if you're both thinking that, somebodies wrong. I try to do my training assuming the worst, that I will be completely out-classed in all areas, what should I do then >> While nobody goes into a fight planning to lose, fully half of the people who go there lose. Mostly IMHO because they go in more impressed with what they can do to the other guy rather than paying attention to what the other guy can do to them. I know he can hurt me, that's how come I go in hard and fast to prevent him from hurting me. ------------------------------ From: TaoArt@aol.com Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 16:58:50 EST Subject: eskrima: Underwater Self Defense course a Success! Greetings, On Monday, December 6th, Guard Up, Inc. and the Waltham Athletic Club hosted a Cooperative Learning Exchange (CLE) on Underwater Self Defense. We had a good turnout with local police officers, law enforcement trainers, martial artists and grapplers and even a few Navy Seal Team 6 trainers. We spent over 2 hours in the water (despite blue lips) devising and tweaking various self defense and control techniques to use on drowning victims or against attackers intent on drowning you. Shortly after we began, we were joined by Janet Wu from CBS (Channel 7 in Boston) as she jumped into the pool, clothes and all, and got right in on the action. The news piece is called "7 on Assignment" and is slated to air on Monday the 13th at 4PM for those in the Boston/Metro area. We were also joined by a reporter/ju jutsu practitioner from the Boston Sports Journal magazine. Look for an article and pics in an upcoming edition. We were very pleased with the way everyone worked together to point out shortcomings and benefits of various techniques. We had no ego-clashing and all learned something new to take home. Our next CLE is going to be Fighting On Ice... learning self defense and apprehension on slippery surfaces. Date/Location is to be determined... but Channel 7 wants to cover that event as well. For more information about CLE's and to see pictures from the Underwater Self Defense course, go to: http://www.guardup.com Hope the holidays find you all in good spirits. M. Gardner Director Guard Up, Inc. www.guardup.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 14:41:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: Eastern medicine I smell the beginning of a long off-topic discussion regarding the benefits, or lack of same, wrt Eastern medicine. Time now to take it to private email. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 14:29:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #509 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com in directory pub/eskrima/digests. 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