From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #512 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Mon, 13 Dec 1999 Vol 06 : Num 512 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #511 eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #511 eskrima: tribe vs tribe eskrima: Kajukenbo Aloha Seminar eskrima: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #503 eskrima: Footwork smutwork!! eskrima: List member in Maryland [none] eskrima: Dog Brothers in the NHB Ring Part One eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan Eskrima, and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. 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Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AnimalMac@aol.com Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 11:22:37 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #511 In a message dated 12/12/99 8:26:34 AM Mountain Standard Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << This takes the > training a baby step toward practicing to deal with a) getting hit in general > and b) getting hit with a sucker punch. >> Actually I am currently waiting for Paladin Press to decide if they want to publish a book called "Streetfighters Dirtiest Tricks and how to counter them" It's all about how to recognize a sneak attack on its way - if you see it coming you don't have to eat it. If you are interested in how not to get your nose driven through the back of your skull by a sucker puncher write them and tell them you'd buy it. Either that or bug them about when it will be out editorial@paladin-press.com ------------------------------ From: AnimalMac@aol.com Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 11:27:48 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #511 In a message dated 12/12/99 8:26:34 AM Mountain Standard Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << > animalmac: prevent him > from hurting me.> > Me: while this wasnt posted to me I have a question - would you still go in > hard and fast if he > had a sword and you only had empty hands >> I'm not an ape I use tools. ------------------------------ From: Bladewerks@aol.com Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 17:58:45 EST Subject: eskrima: tribe vs tribe Just thought i would pop a few questions to see if anyone is intrested in anwsering them. If you had a tribe(group,clan whatever) of stickfighters,swordfighters,and was attacking another clan,tribe,...in the battle field you clash and are getting it on How does this senario change you tactics? Do you grapple? Do you stick and move? Do you duke it out? dont forget that your tribesmen are beside and around you. Do you when the occasion arises strike one of you tribesmen foes? I look forward to the respnce. Barry ps Dont bring up guns and sup. fire power.....go with the gist of the question :) ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 19:12:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: Kajukenbo Aloha Seminar Forwarding. Ray - ---------------------------------------------------------------- Forwarded message: From: "Bruce Millsap" Subject: Kajukenbo Aloha Seminar Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 14:51:47 PST Hello All! Just wanted to invite you to the first annual Kajukenbo Self-defense Institute Seminar. The seminar will be hosted by Sigung Greg Harper with a special guest appearance by Kajukenbo Founder Sijo Adrianno Emperado. The seminar will be held in Visalia California on the 5th and 6th of February, 2000. The first day will consist of Filipino Martial Arts with an emphasis on knife work and sinawali. The second day will be Ground grappling and ground striking. Yours truly will be teaching both segments and I invite all to come and enjoy the arts. For more information contact Sigung Greg Harper at KSDIGUARD@aol.com Thanks and hope to see you there!!!!! Bruce ------------------------------ From: DojoDoor@aol.com Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 22:06:13 EST Subject: eskrima: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #503 A blow to the medial side of the elbow, if it affects a nerve, it would be the ulnar nerve. The information regarding an inflammatory process is the most likely scenario. The best thing she can do is stop performing the activities that exasperate the injury. I'm sure that's not likely. Here are some things to try. If the pain is on the medial side (pinkie side) of the elbow, it is likely to involve the elbow pronators and wrist flexors at their insertions. So why does it hurt when she supinates (turns palm up)? That may be because of how she supinates. For example, if she is holding her stick and supinates, the pronators must activate to control the motion and dampen the stop. This is classic of overuse injuies of the elbow, such as tennis elbow. Though this did not start out as an overuse injury, it now should be treated as on. That is because it is now chronic. Try moist heat and a light warm up before taxing these muscles again. After working out/practicing try some cold applications. A very good way to ice this down is with an ice massage. Exercises towards treatment should include grip work, wrist flexion, and exercises to strengthen the twisting motions of the elbow (what appears to be turning of the wrist). A good way to work the twisting motion by placing the elbow and forearm on an armrest and holding on to a hammer. Simply take the hammer down on one side by turning the forearm, the go to the other side. Of course, the heavier the hammer or the longer the handle, the greater the resistance will be. Some of the things I would probably use as a therapist would include, ultrasound and cross-friction massage. The myofascial massage would likely be helpful. The basis for the use of these two massages would be the same. These techniques will tend to be painful while being used, but if done correctly, the relief wil be noticeable after a short time. Oh, how to do an ice massage. Take two Styrofoam cups. Tear the bottom half off of one. Place this inside the intact cup. Fill them with water. Once frozen, peel off the cup that was whole. You now have an ice block the shape of a cup with a handle, so not to freeze your hand while using it. Rub this gently over the affected area. Try varying pressures till you find what helps releave you better. Do this till the area is numb? Do not exceed 15 minutes. The above information assume the pain to be on the medial side of the elbow. Joyceline, have your classmate give some of this a try. She may also want to check her grip. Too tight a grip can aggrivate such injuries. Good luck. Alex Condis ------------------------------ From: Rocky Pasiwk Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 23:16:59 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Footwork smutwork!! Wow where does one start, it seems so many martial artist ( especially left coasters ) have this insatiable need to be radically technical ( both linguistically and philosophically ) when it comes to martial arts techniques. Foot work is one of the most over blown topics that seems to pop up on this list at least 2 or 3 times a year. First and foremost one must understand that it is not necessary for you to have the reality part of your brain surgically removed to be a martial artist, although it seems to be the in thing now a days. Foot work like any other aspect of martial arts must accommodate the fighter not vise versa. Equally important to foot work is body displacement , boys and girls. You see your feet can not move your stomach, chest, or head nearly as fast as they can move themselves. The feet primarily are used to cover distance or to act as stabilizers reacting to the movement of ones upper body. Also fancy foot work is seldom used in real street fights or bar room type of situations, because of a lack of space and the usually quick and intense aggression that is placed upon your person if you run up against a real street fighter. Even side stepping can become very hard in confined quarters, with chairs and tables and what not in your way, body displacement will quickly become you best alai. People who practice trying to figure out how to quick step, half step or cut off their opponents footwork, are doing the right thing for sparring and playing and some forms of weapon training, but they must also realize that this will only work in given situations. Let me tell you if you are trying that stuff in the street empty handed and even with weapons most times you may find it hard to keep your train of thought while the other guy is bouncing his knuckles off of your forehead or inserting his blade in you ( how did Bart simpson say that " Knife goes in Guts come out ". Take the Rock challenge if you don't believe me, do away with the wimpy rattan get some hardwood, get rid of the head gear completely and all other equipment find someone equally crazy or stupid person, find a small 8ft x 8ft room ( this reduces the 47,000 zones of combat ) then have at it full blast. I GAUROOONTEEE that you will see little foot work and you will not have time to be analyzing your opponents. Then do the same thing in an open air forum where you have a much larger gap to close on your opponent, and the fight becomes more of a sparing match. Then there is a knife fight where accepting any strike/slash could be fatal and you will see more caution and foot work going on. Its kinda like the tighter the circle the harder it is to see the footwork. I personally find the PT side step very functional in close and even in tight cramped areas. However every one must find their own way, but remember to use the reality part of the brain, ask yourself when learning different footwork tech. " will this work in combat, sparing, or both??? Crash and bash verses foot work, This is so ignorant that I should leave it up to the CraftMaster to reply :-). Personally I thought that crash and bash is footwork, its just a different version that may only work for some people, but as long as it works it must be right. The real test comes when you discover your crash and bash isn't working so you adapt to something else that does, or better yet you know when to use it and when not to. And maybe if your fancy footwork isn't working try the crash and bash it might surprise you. Think of the great running backs Berry Sanders and Walter Payton, while both men could shake and bake you out of your shorts, Walter could also plow straight forward and blow a 300lbs line man backwards if need be, so who would you rather have on your side?? The CraftMaster a marketing master!!!! Dah!! of course he is, DBMI is plastered so much on the digest its like the golden arches of McDonalds, you think french fries you see the golden arches, you think stick fighting you see DBMI. But hey what's wrong with that!! I for one am happy to see someone make it that is doing it by producing quality and not just quantity, I wish I could find the kind of loyal students that seem to follow Crafty, people who are willing to train the way I did when I was up and coming. Which brings me to another matter, boy Crafty, this must be your lucky day, first I have good things to say about you and now for your main man. Could it be every Dog Bro. has its day or could it just be the season??? Any ways about Danny I. getting a Machado black belt in what some say was a mere 5 years. Hell I'll bet in those 5 years he trained more than the average person who received a Machado Black Belt in 7 or 8 years. Lets look at the factors, 1st Danny is no beginner that you have to show things to over and over, 2nd many of the things he probably already new either thru experimentation over the years, or from other arts that may have crossed over. This is something many people can't under stand its not necessarily the time you have invested its the amount of quality time you have invested. No that doesn't mean one private a month for 3 or 4 years means you have 3 or 4 years invested Dah!!! In the Balintawak circle I often here People comment that I no longer train, with GM Buot or that my place in his group has dropped because I may not train with him for months, while they may train with him 2 maybe even 3 times a week. Fortunately GM Buot has loyalty to his top students and will often correct them. I did train 2 sometimes 3 times a week with him, some 14 years ago now, before they even new what Balintawak was, for many years non stop I might add, which is why I am his only student that teaches in a school. However I still train with him mostly in the winter months so he can correct all my bad habits and make me feel foolish from time to time. Its good to be humbled sometimes. I never heard any of the DB's say that they invented the hard contact fighting, many of us did it years ago and don't feel a need to do it any more. They have used it to better themselves in some ways and to fill create their own niche'. they also have invented a forum where people who like pain and want to test their skills are free to go and give or receive as often as they need. Its kinda like Madam Inga's house of pain, Only for martial artist, and the prices aren't as high, not that I would know anything about that stuff:-) Well that's about it for now!! Rocky ------------------------------ From: ARNISTE@aol.com Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 01:08:41 EST Subject: eskrima: List member in Maryland Meowmix to all, Any list member living in Maryland/D.C. area.Be there 12/25-01/04/00 for business/vacation and interested to work out for 2- 4 hrs. let me know,Thanks in advance. Nelson"PinoyKowboy"Trinidad Combat Arnis Tabak Society(CATSociety) Arniste@aol.com/ CATS@dotplanet.com ------------------------------ From: "Marc Denny" Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 23:10:31 -0800 Subject: [none] A Howl of Greeting to All: I just got back from a very enjoyable day at the Tuhon Chris Sayoc seminar at the Inosanto Academy. Tuhon Chris had taught at Guro I's FMA classes during the week, people were impressed and word had spread; attendance was very strong. Tuhon Chris is a pleasure to be around, a relaxed and highly effective teacher with some really good material. If I have it right, Sayoc Kali is a family system of 5 generations and it shows. (The Chinese DOM I went to recently was a third generation DOM and it showed there too.) Thanks to Tuhon Chris for a very nice day and some very helpful training. As I was driving home I reflected on the environment in which such a system evolved and came away with a renewed sense of the point I have made from time to time about how the training methods of the FMA were developed by men who already were warriors and here we try to use them to develop warriors. Which brings me to Bill's post. Although I'd quibble with a phrase or two here or there elsewhere in the post, I very much liked his point about American hydrophobics and Filipino fighting spirit, and the distinctions between fighters and technicians and the teaching progression for each. Like we say in DBMA, once you've had some fights, it changes the trajectory of your training for the rest of your life. Woof, Crafty ------------------------------ From: "Marc Denny" Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 00:52:55 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Dog Brothers in the NHB Ring Part One A Howl of Greeting to All: As I mentioned early last week, last night (i.e. Saturday night) Mike "Dogzilla" Tibbitts and Chris "True Dog" Clifton fought on the card at the second NHB event put on by Cobra Productions (UFC Veteran Mark Hall) at the Cahuila Indian Reservation Casino. Two hours east of where I live, the final stretch of the drive to the Cahuila Reservation has wild and magical feel. Driving into the night on the hilly, winding two lane almost unpainted blacktop, one does not see signs of electricity or man in any direction until one arrives at the Casino, which suddenly appears in the night like the "Thunderdome" of the Mel Gibson movie. Inside was a gnarly crowd. A Hollywood casting agent looking for extras to play Aryan Brotherhood convicts in a prison movie would have had a field day. The tent set up next to the casino for the fight was built to hold 2,000, but there must have 500 more than that. Fire marshals, had there been any, would not have approved. Security was pretty minimal and the testosterone level very high. It was further fueled by the beer of the casino. The ring card girls, turned on by it all, were into slutting it and in response to chants of "Show us your tits!" several obliged. A great rarity in southern California, several of them were even natural! Moved by the spirit of it all, there was lots of fine strutting in the crowd as well. One fighter was carried out on a stretcher. ( I saw him later being attended to by the Dr. and he was fine.) A fight broke out two seats down from me and as security broke it up the two began doing the "Let me at him!" thing. A chant went up from the 2,500 voices there, "In the Ring! In the Ring!" For a moment as promoter Mark Hall went over to talk to them it looked like it might happen and the place went ape! However, confronted by the reality of others not holding them back, the two wilted and things settled down. Just in time for one of the highlights of the evening: "The Catfight". One of the two women was sponsored by "Rancho Bail Bonds" and her corner wore t-shirts proudly blazoned to that effect. Similarly the other girl was sponsored by "Ernie's Bail Bonds" and her corner was similarly festooned. Given the crowd, I would say that this was some well targeted advertising. The fight was, well, one hellacious catfight. Smatterings of BJJ were to be seen, but spontaneity was the order of the day and aggression was abundant. The fight was concluded when one of the women was able to stand and with 5 or 6 well placed kicks to the torso, knock her opponent out of the ring, off the apron and into the crowd below. The crowd roared and the winner claimed her victory by removing her shirt and bra. Another natural. Intermission and then it was time. Dogzilla and True Dog were called into the ring. Their fight at Cobra Productions first event a couple of months ago had, due to various no-shows, had become the main event by default and frankly, it had saved the day. Their fight had been prominently featured in the $8000 radio advertising campaign for this show and there had been strong word of month amongst the crowd too. The crowd was up for it. I was handed the microphone and, assisted by Lester "Surf Dog" Griffin, did a quick explanation of what to look for (hand shots, knockouts through the headgear, chokes with the stick, etc) and what was allowed (everything). Their first fight had been double stick. This time, to give the crowd more of a chance to see what was happening, we decided it should be single stick. A referee being required, I donned a hockey helmet and took up a staff. As I started the fight I was intensely aware that a 20 foot boxing ring is a small place for a stickfight. I am reminded of one time when I was being helped by Dr. Gyi and shared with him the DBMA footwork concepts (including the secret parts) and some other things. His words were complimentary, but I noticed that his first observation was "Open field game that requires fitness." A lot of wisdom in few words. And a 20 foot boxing ring sure is different than the open field of the Gathering. After a feeling out process of 2 seconds the fight was on and didn't stop. Dogzilla's stick shattered and a piece of it went flying into the crowd. As the fighters paused, Surf Dog threw me a stick which I gave to Dogzilla and restarted the fight. I barely got out of the way as the fight crashed into the ropes and went to the mat where after some action True Dog was able to secure a heel hock to close the fight. The crowd roared, whistled and stomped its feet. As the regular ref held the ropes for us to leave the ring he said "You guys are f***k**g nuts!" The crowd slapped us on the back as we walked up the aisle and the cheers continued. End of Part One: Voluntary Homework for Part Two, think about the following questions: 1) Mobility vs. Power: If you were one of the two guys in the fight in the crowd, would a get-in-and-get-out mobility game be humanly possible? If not, does this mean that "real Kali" has no answer for such a circumstance? 2) Mobility vs. Power: If you were in the ring against a man coming at you with a stick while fired up by the roar of 2,500 hardcore fight fans, could you consistently play a "get in and get out" mobility game against a worthy adversary? Who could? 3) Is this a "fight" or is it "sparring"? Why? Coming soon: Part Two: Some Rambling Ruminations Woof, Crafty Dog ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 07:12:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #512 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com in directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan Eskrima, and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.