From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #514 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Tues, 14 Dec 1999 Vol 06 : Num 514 In this issue: eskrima: tools eskrima: Chinese Medicine, Acupuncture, Meridians, and so on eskrima: kali in the movies... eskrima: answers to marcs questions eskrima: Breathing and "Chi" eskrima: ``Authentic'' kris? eskrima: Paladin press eskrima: Marc Denny eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan Eskrima, and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "steve reiter" Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 15:42:54 -0800 Subject: eskrima: tools > Me: while this wasnt posted to me I have a question - would you still go in hard and fast if he > had a sword and you only had empty hands >> >animalmac: I'm not an ape I use tools. I sorry if you took my question as a insult - or thought i was calling you a ape - it was a serious question - you appear to be a experienced fighter - and i was wondering if your stratagy would change if someone had a ong.sharp, pointy thing - would you still think chargeing in hard and fast was the best recource - again sorry if the question offened you in any way - not my intent - and if you for some reason feel it's to personal or offensive to answer - by all means - i wont get offended if you choose not to answer me - steve ------------------------------ From: Ron Levy Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 15:51:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: Chinese Medicine, Acupuncture, Meridians, and so on Hearing about alternative medical techniques and their effectiveness is always wonderful. I find that my problem currently is in finding one of these skilled practicioners. Does anyone have any pointers to someone in the Bay Area with whom they've had a good experience? Like anyone looking for a physician, I'd be looking for: Diagnosis.. if a physician can tell me what's wrong by looking at my tongue and testing my ten pulses, I'm totally behind him. Communication.. a two-way street. He has to be able to tell me what's wrong and what steps I have to take to correct it, and I have to be willing to understand. (Unfortunately, I have a shameful lack of fluency in Eastern languages.) Correction.. probably the easiest part of medicine once you get past the first two. Giving the right treatment. Following the treatment is the two-way street on this one. As this isn't a mailing list for advertising acupuncturists, please feel free to make suggestions to private email. Thanks, Ron Levy ronlevy@netcom.com ------------------------------ From: Nolan Hernandez Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 15:57:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: kali in the movies... Were any of the Dog Brothers involved in the kali fight scene from 'Best of the Best 4'? Interesting fight choreography there, wish there were more kali/escrima exposure in Hollywood films. The only other films that I've seen it used were in the late Bruce Lee's 'Game of Death' and S. Seagal's 'Out for Justice'; both demonstrated by Guro Dan Inosanto. Also in 'Perfect Weapon', though Mr. Jeff Speakman references his stickfighting techniques as solely from Kenpo Karate. Did I neglect to mention any other films? Mabuhay ang escrima! Nolan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "steve reiter" Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 16:32:26 -0800 Subject: eskrima: answers to marcs questions marc writes - > Voluntary Homework for Part Two, think about the following questions: 1) Mobility vs. Power: If you were one of the two guys in the fight in the crowd, would a get-in-and-get-out mobility game be humanly possible? If not, does this mean that "real Kali" has no answer for such a circumstance? 2) Mobility vs. Power: If you were in the ring against a man coming at you with a stick while fired up by the roar of 2,500 hardcore fight fans, could you consistently play a "get in and get out" mobility game against a worthy adversary? Who could? 3) Is this a "fight" or is it "sparring"? Why? > just when i thought we had kissed and made up...... anyway i sure everyone is gonna think - oh just steve argueing with marc again -- but hopfully after our talk you know it's not the case - it's interesting - I not posted a letter i composed yesterday - however i had the same observation as Bruce Millsap - who currently posted - so my answer to question 1) if only 2 guy's in a crowded place get's into a fight - i think it would depended on how crowd - recently i was at 2 different concerts - up front next to the mosh pits - you were almost litterally crushed to death from the crowd push forward and side to side - a fight broke out at the kid rock show - and interestingly enough - the crowd gave way very quickly - not wanting to get hit by errant blows - so room to move - made itself ( at least a boxing ring size) could the question becomes (in my mind) a) could I achieve get-in get out - probally not - i would acess my oponants strenghts and weakness' - if i wasnt getting stomped to death - and use which ever art I felt i had the best chance at - standing - the ground - in a plumb ect. - however if I had a knife - and i felt enough cause to stab in - believe me i, i'd hopefully get in close enough for the stab - and get the hell outta there - before the police came and dragged my ass to jail - b) could some one like john la coste' - dan inosanto - or a laudry list of other be able to get - in and get out under those conditions? you tell me - i think they're good enough - if i didnt i wouldnt be training in this system - i'd look for some others - to change the scenerio a little - what if a fight broke out amongst a crowd - all armed with bladed weapons -or even sticks - (by the way i highly commend you in the not yet posted post for bring this out at the gatherings - the multiple or team consept of knife fighting) which i think totally illustrates the need for get in - and get out - andone who's seen the teams of 2 or more knight fight knows that if you spend time on one person - you get messed up from a sneaky bastard attacking your rear - it's like you gotta hit and run - always covering your back - get your kill shot - and get out - and look for another attacker/target - also - marc - isnt this why we play the villabraille numerado game at the academy - to prepare for multiple attackers - one guy goes in the middle - the people on the out side attack with several blows - then onther guy from the out side - start his attack - usally from a blind side answer to question 2) no i couldnt - and at my ability level, no i wouldnt - i hope one day to have the skilles (and my ankle) to be able to though - just to play devils advocate - a surgar ray lenoard of some other great foot work type boxer can play get-in get out against a brusier like joe frasier (i know diff weight classes - just using them as examples) - in front of 50,000 screaming fans and not let it upset his game - I think there are too many in too many disciplines to list them all - but i've tried to give examples in other posts - just my opinion - no one else seemed to think anyone(the grand masters, ect.) i mentioned in postes where worthy of the attributes I acsribed to them answer to question 3) - it depends on the individual - dbma makes a point of saying no winners, no losers, growing experience, ect. ect. - If thats the attutude of the combatant - thats it's seems to me that it full contact sparring - if someone goes in with the attitude they want to win / make the other guy tap - kick butt, ect. have a personal problem, vendetta ect. than it's fighting - even if they're friends at the end - i think it's about intent - NHB guys fight each other - yet many are friends or friendly outside the ring - both before and after - and there's always a show of good sportsmanship at the end - but i still think there fighting - well thats my $0.02 - and again marc - after our long talk yesterday - I hope you know that i'm not being aurguementive for arguements sake - i think you posed this question for a open dialog to get differing views - and in this area these are my views - and i suspect that yours differ somewhat (walking on egg shells - for your benifit ONLY - but it's killing me) steve ------------------------------ From: "BILL MCGRATH" Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 21:07:19 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Breathing and "Chi" A few issues back, the issue was raised about breathing, endurance and "Chi" Here is an article from the Summer 1997 Pekiti-Tirsia International newsletter on the subject. BREATHING, BALANCE AND POSTURE The similarities between the Abcedario de Mano and Tai Chi. By Tuhon Bill McGrath "Chi" is often translated as "inner strength" or "spiritual power" but the exercises to develop it are exercises that develop either control of your breathing, good balance through leg strength or good posture. The Chinese character for Chi could originally be translated as either "breath" or "wind" or "spirit". And you will see that the majority of Chi building exercises are breathing exercises. Most ancient languages have examples of this multiple translation of a single word. In Hebrew "Rhuach" can be translated as breath or wind or spirit. It is the Rhuach of Life that God breathed into Adam. In Greek it is Pneuma (from which we get words like pneumonia and pneumatic) also originally used for breath or wind. In Latin it is "Anima" (that which animates) also originally breath or wind or spirit. In Hawaiian the "Ha" in "Aloha" is also breath, wind ,or spirit. When I started martial arts in 1975 I would do the various "Chi" building breathing exercises and made some progress, but my progress jumped exponentially when I began running. My training program consisted of running for 1/2 hour a day six days a week. Distance was not important, time was. I found out years later that the first 20 minutes of my run was spent burning my bodies' glycogen (sugar)reserves. Only after the 20 minute mark did I begin to draw from my bodies' deep reserves(fat). Each week I would run a little faster going from 3 miles to 4 and finally 5 miles in my half hour run. After 6 weeks I noticed that all of my "Chi" building exercises came rather easily to me. I had not only more endurance but more strength as well as my body was able to work more efficiently with a better oxygen supply. I could hit harder and take a hit better (two of the classic benefits of "Chi"). I made six months of progress in just 6 weeks using this running routine. Does this mean that you should skip the classic exercises? No, for the classic exercises give you other benefits besides breath control. They strengthen your legs in different stances to improve your balance and give you good posture to protect your spines' alignment (this correct alignment that is so necessary for good health and strength). Those of you who know me well know how these exercises helped me recover from a bad injury to my back and neck. Through the slow controlled movements of the Abcedario de Mano you will learn breath control and balance while you strengthen your legs, hips and back. You will feel "centered". Practicing in this manner also has a calming effect on the body; lowering your blood pressure and calming your disposition. Breathing exercises. Each movement of the Abcedario is divided into two parts. The first month of practice slowly inhale for the first part of the movement for 5 to 10 seconds. As you begin the second part of the movement exhale slowly for 5 to 10 seconds. Try to add 10 seconds of inhale and exhale per movement per month working up eventually to 60 seconds per breath. You will move at the same speed as you breath, therefore as you breath slowly you should be moving just as slowly. This trains your nervous system in the movement. Try this program for six months and you will see an improvement in your body, mind and "Chi". ------------------------------ From: " Bad Karma " Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 19:12:59 -0800 Subject: eskrima: ``Authentic'' kris? "Fox_hound @bolt.com" wrote: #snip# > Greetings all. I checked out that link > posted in earlier on and one of them was > a link call "Swish of the kris." I saw the > logo and I thought "What a peculiar looking > kris." I mean the blade was just crooked > instead of having the unique curves a kris > should have. Which of the two? The upper one looks like a Philippine kris. Some are straight for most of the blade's length. The lower one looks like the patterns common to parts of Indonesia. > One more thing, the link said that kris' all > have wooden handles. All the ones I've seen have wood handles. > I guess that's true for authentic ones, but > I've seen a couple with rubber handles. Heh. I guess if it's not authentic, it could be made of anything, no? But I've seen knockoff kris-styled blades with all sorts of goofiness. Just like the katana-knockoffs with the dragon etched in the chrome-plated pewter blade. - --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ------------------------------ From: Michael Koblic Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 20:45:13 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Paladin press >Actually I am currently waiting for Paladin Press to decide if they want to >publish a book called "Streetfighters Dirtiest Tricks and how to counter >them" It's all about how to recognize a sneak attack on its way - if you see >it coming you don't have to eat it. If you are interested in how not to get >your nose driven through the back of your skull by a sucker puncher write >them and tell them you'd buy it. > >Either that or bug them about when it will be out > How about a sample chapter here on ED... Mike Koblic, Quesnel BC ------------------------------ From: RBalicki@aol.com Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 00:20:42 EST Subject: eskrima: Marc Denny Marc Denny and I had a talk today on the phone. He was concerned about the=20 letter I wrote on the digest. I wanted to clear up any misconceptions about= =20 my intent.=20 Everything I said on the digest I said to Marc's face the day before in fron= t=20 of many people. I told Marc that the only person that is benefiting from=20 this fight is Marc Denny. We all laughed about it, including Marc who=20 agreed, but to Marc's benefit he expressed his dislike that two guys might=20 literally get in to a real fight over him. As far as Marc being "that=20 important", I don't think he is. I don't think I am, no one is worth that=20 kind of a fight. I think they fight it's wrong. I hate to use this old=20 clich=E9 but I will, we're from the same family. This should not happen and= if=20 it does it should'nt happen in the public. Ron Balicki=20 ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 21:29:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #514 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com in directory pub/eskrima/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan Eskrima, and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply.