From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #517 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Wed, 15 Dec 1999 Vol 06 : Num 517 In this issue: eskrima: battlegrounds eskrima: Re: Toe-to-toe eskrima: Re: Kenpo Stick/Tanbo 'n Nitanbo/FMA. eskrima: Kali vs. ...... eskrima: Battle grounds eskrima: Re: the steve reiter digest/soap opera eskrima: footwork/bodymovin eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan Eskrima, and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jay_Swan@flannet.middlebury.edu (Jay Swan) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 12:19:57 -0400 Subject: eskrima: battlegrounds TaoArt writes: >During a conflict there are 3 battlegrounds that I can identify: >1) Psychological (emotional state, can also be called "spiritual") >2) Mental (as in mental resources, awareness, knowledge, etc) >3) Physical (can vary from simple body language or repositioning to >grappling/striking) >Now I know that these three battlegrounds often overlap... body language and >voice inflection can play a big part in the psychological game, knowledge can >directly relate to the effectiveness of a physical strike, etc. >Can anyone find another battleground that lies outside these three? Legal (post-crisis legal issues, dealing with police, etc). Jay ------------------------------ From: Chad Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 11:41:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: Re: Toe-to-toe Steve said: - - i believe no style/system was not developed to stand toe-to-toe and have a slug fest - Not trying to drag it on and I don't advocate or believe in fighting in this manner, but there is a northern style that I did hear about where the two opponents stand toe to toe and use their forearm for blocking and just swing away at each other. Anybody heard about this one? ===== "Draw me not without reason, sheath me not without honor" Chad Hawaii __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: David Fulton Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 15:08:07 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Re: Kenpo Stick/Tanbo 'n Nitanbo/FMA. Steve Reiter wrote: > >to Nolan Hernandez - Jeff Speakman was taught some kali by a student >(instructor) of guro dans (i believe he's in texas) - jeff took what he >learnt and incorporated it into his art (kenpo) - and now it's "kenpo" >sticks - nothing new - i think many arts/people see something that works and >incorporate it and make it their own - only jeff never gave credit where it >was due - and supposedly the instructor got real pissed - as far as other >films go - there's tons of them - Jeff Amada is one of the top stunt >coordinator's in the business - he is also one of only two senior instructor >under guro dan - the other senior instructor is a stunt man - so the art >works it's way into most fight scene's choreographed by jeff/damon > Steve, I can't speak to Speakman ... uh, never mind ;o) ... having studied FMA or the possibility of his Kenpo Stick being *influenced* by FMA, but Ed Parker's Kenpo traces it's roots back to Okinawan Kempo (Parker learned from Chow, who learned from Mitose, who's maternal uncle was Choki Motobu of Shuri, Okinawa). Tanbo and Nitanbo, which translate as "short stick" and "two short sticks" respectively, have been a part of Okinawan Kobujitsu for generations. The orthodox Tanbo and Nitanbo of Okinawan Kobujitsu (that I have seen) does bear resemblance to FMA, though it seemed more "stylized", stiff and of course had an Okinawan flavor to it. Just an FYI. Respectfully, Dave Fulton. P.S. Steve, you really need to stop being so shy and just say what's on your mind (that's a joke, btw) ;o) Man have you been busy! ------------------------------ From: Drew Zimba Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 13:10:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: Kali vs. ...... Steve wrote: >I saw a kendo guy at the last gathering - I >still >feel they play a game of crash and bash - and IMO >thats not the way >kali was >developed or meant to be practiced/applied- Really. In the Lionheart Production's grandmaster series (interviews with various FMA GM's in the Phillipines), there are many references to the Japanese ocupation during WWII. Admittedly, the occupiers didn't practice the theoretical "way" of Kendo, but instead the practical kill-'em-dead fighting art of Ken-jitsu. Some FMA'ers didn't fare so well. Others got their first kills against practitioners of non-FMA blade-based arts. What freakin' rule says you have to fight another Kali guy to be practicing Kali? One of the first things real contact fighters (not just DB Real Contact, but fighters of other clans and even other classes of MA) say is that when they first start, they are AMAZED at how much of the "art" part just gets blown to hell. The more they fight, however, the more they see where, when, and how to apply the various pieces and parts of the art, and it's not always where they originally thought they would, should, or could go. Just my 2 centavos (not even close to being worth $0.02 US), Drew P.S. Steve, since you brought it up, in your opinion how WAS Kali developed and how should it be applied?? Inquiring minds want to know... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Sam Beckett Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 16:27:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: Battle grounds Another 'batle ground' could be the environment. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Kilap@aol.com Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 19:58:36 EST Subject: eskrima: Re: the steve reiter digest/soap opera Agree to disagree an move on already! I think others will concur. Regards, Travis ------------------------------ From: "John Taylor" Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 01:11:24 GMT Subject: eskrima: footwork/bodymovin It's been very interesting to read the footwork/crashbash discussion. But all things in reason. The principles of any martial art are quickness of the hands and feet, sharpness of the eyes, and bodyshaping. No aspect is superior to any other in fighting. It's the combination, the ability to do what you can when you can, that brings the best possible outcome. John Taylor. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 17:27:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: . ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #517 **************************************** To unsubscribe from this digest, eskrima-digest, send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com in directory pub/eskrima/digests. 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