From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #519 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Thur, 16 Dec 1999 Vol 06 : Num 519 In this issue: RE: eskrima: Concept for the Floor eskrima: Dieter Knuettels Address & Homepage eskrima: Re: best knife fighters eskrima: Battlegrounds eskrima: Sucker punch Re: eskrima: Re: The footwork thing eskrima: Eskrima school in Munich eskrima: LEOs.."walk a mile in my shoes" eskrima: Re: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #518 (fwd) eskrima: knife-fighter, knifefighter, knife fighter ??? eskrima: . ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Inayan Eskrima, and Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 FMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Shaver Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 08:12:04 -0800 Subject: RE: eskrima: Concept for the Floor To All, I believe the 3 "battlegrounds" are correct, but the "mental" should be listed under the "psychological" and the "psychological" should be labeled "Spiritual." The definition of Psychology is: "the science of the mind or of mental states and processes" and "the science of human and animal behavior." From this definition, I base my changes. Besides that, I agree that the three "battlegrounds" groups cover all conditions. Eric - --------------------------------------------- From: TaoArt@aol.com Date: True, 14 Dec 1999 18:10:44 EST Subject: eskrima: Concept for the Floor Greetings. I was just brushing up on some of my reading today and came across a concept that I thought I'd throw out to the list for discussion... During a conflict there are 3 battlegrounds that I can identify: 1) Psychological (emotional state, can also be called "spiritual") 2) Mental (as in mental resources, awareness, knowledge, etc) 3) Physical (can vary from simple body language or repositioning to grappling/striking) Now I know that these three battlegrounds often overlap... body language and voice inflection can play a big part in the psychological game, knowledge can directly relate to the effectiveness of a physical strike, etc. Can anyone find another battleground that lies outside these three? M. Gardner www.guardup.com "The people who get on in this world are the people who get up and look for the circumstances they want, and, if they can't find them, make them." George Bernard Shaw ------------------------------ From: kukulkan@gmx.net Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 17:45:32 +0100 (MET) Subject: eskrima: Dieter Knuettels Address & Homepage > Hi, > > I am looking for Dieter Knuttel's email address if anybody can give it > to me please. Or his web page. Hi, Try at: http://www.abanico.de/ there is an english version of his HP, and you can contact him too. greetings Ludwig - -- Sent through Global Message Exchange - http://www.gmx.net ------------------------------ From: Eric Shaver Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 08:45:06 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Re: best knife fighters I would have to vote for Master at Arms James A. Keating. I believe he has devoted his life to knife fighting like very few others have. One thing I think is really great about him and Combat Technologies, Inc. is his reviving the use of the Bowie knife as a fighting knife. I hope to someday be able to train with him. As of now all I have seen is videos and talked with others about his skills. Another person to mention would have to be Datu Kelly Worden. Eric ------------------------------ From: TaoArt@aol.com Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 11:47:41 EST Subject: eskrima: Battlegrounds Jonas writes: << I would be reluctant to split up number 1 & 2 as their substrate is in fact the same, - the central nervous system. Furthermore you cannot split it functionally either, as for example the emotional state will influence all other mental capabilities through neuromodulation. >> In regards to: > During a conflict there are 3 battlegrounds that I can identify: > > 1) Psychological (emotional state, can also be called "spiritual") > 2) Mental (as in mental resources, awareness, knowledge, etc) > 3) Physical (can vary from simple body language or repositioning to > grappling/striking) Since the emotional state also affects the adrenaline output which has a direct influence on your physical state, then we would not be able to split any of the "battlegrounds" at all. Dividing them up into separate categories is not meant to insinuate that they are not related or influenced by each other... in any scenario there is NOTHING which does not have an influence on something else. It is simply meant to make it easier to identify the base in which these different battlegrounds can reside. To take it a step further... The Psychological Battleground is the conflict between two individuals (or more) to become more "ferocious" or more intimidating than the other. It does not deal as much with knowledge (although knowledge of your own body language can apply) as with the "animal within"... the power of your desire... your ATTITUDE more than your ability to think. The Mental Battleground takes place when one tries to "out-think" the other. This can take place in devising strategies and choosing tactics to achieve the desired goal. This is also your awareness level... understanding the signs and signals that your brain is receiving and being able to formulate conclusions based upon them. The Physical Battleground is any conflict wherein the two (or more) engage in physical combat. Strikes, blocks, grappling, repositioning, retreating. Others suggested Legal and Environmental battlegrounds... I think that these might be their own in another area... External Battlegrounds... along with Allies, Tools/Weapons, Resources, even Time. M. Gardner www.guardup.com ------------------------------ From: AnimalMac@aol.com Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 12:06:47 EST Subject: eskrima: Sucker punch In a message dated 12/16/99 8:57:59 AM Mountain Standard Time, eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << OK, assailant standing facing me, less than arm's length, asking something like "is that your wallet sir?", punch coming from his right hand as an uppercut (i.e. no hauling off etc.). Counter? >> Ohhhh that one is rough because it covers several topics. Slight of fist, false submissive, distraction, mirroring, distancing, blading, criminal assault and an experienced sucker puncher instead of an amatuer. Your best bet is to learn to "blade" and make it an intergal part of your ready stand. That is generally speaking, assume that most power punches will come from the rear hand (unless the dude is seriously trained in boxing). Therefore you habitually move your body to a 45 angle away from that side. This creates what is called a "mirror" stance. Instead of both of your right feet being out and standing there reversed to each other (thereby exposing your choice targets to each other's fast hand and feet) you mirror him. He sticks his left foot out and you stick your right foot out. This gets all sorts of things out of the way from any attack coming in from his power side. If he moves to line you up again, you move to were you are mirrored again. Beleive it or not this action alone will do wonders for keeping you from getting sucker punched. He knows what he is doing and odds are he is going to know that you are just as slyly countering it. Most sucker punchers are not into fighting, they want to beat you up with little risk to themselves. Someone who is cagey enough NOT to let him set him up will be a tough piece of meat to chew on. In fact, he might just end up choking on it. Also never forget that in this culture we don't approach strangers that close. You don't need to be that close to talk. Voices carry. If the dude is trying to close something is wrong. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 09:29:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: eskrima: Re: The footwork thing > > [Shaking his head] Todd > In agreement with Todd, also consider that a subset of proper footwork is proper power generation and body movement that comes from not even re-positioning your feet. That, too, is 'footwork'. You may shift your weight, and thus your ability to generate power, from the heel to the ball to the toes and back to the heel, yet your foot doesn't move. You turn your hips because of force generation that moves up through your feet. For those that have learned, this too is proper footwork. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "Prof. Dr. Werner Brecht" Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 19:18:39 +0100 Subject: eskrima: Eskrima school in Munich Hi, in ED516 Scott Wiggins asked about Escrima schools in Munich/Germany. I've got a URL of a Munich Eskrima school. Maybe you can contact that people: http://www.serrada.de Good luck for your stay in Germany (Oktoberfest is over, but I think you'll enjoy the Munich area)! Greetings from Berlin/Germany - - Werner - ------------------------------ From: "Tim Kashino" Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 11:34:42 -0800 Subject: eskrima: LEOs.."walk a mile in my shoes" original message: >------------------------------ > >From: Ray Terry >Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 19:01:26 -0800 (PST) >Subject: eskrima: LEOs > >> say is try the job before dismissing what we face so flippantly. I know you >> say you've talked to a lot of LEO's and CO's...well, anyone who tells you it >> isn't the real world is lying, period. > >Kim, not to worry. Some talk to LEOs, others are LEOs. I know which to >believe... :) > >Ray Terry >------------------------------ Amen to that. It is all too easy to make assumptions based upon secondhand information. Walk a mile in the shoes of a cop. It's more than what you care to believe. Let's try to keep any prejudices against LEOs out of the digest, shall we. Last I checked this was the "Eskrima Digest", and not the "Fight the Power/F--k the PO-lice Digest". We all have jobs to do, some have chosen to protect the public and uphold the law. Don't knock it 'till you've tried it. Tim Kashino Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ From: sikal@yahoo.com Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 15:02:46 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Re: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V6 #518 (fwd) << Question to the digest: - who would you consider the best knife fighter(s) the the U.S. In the world? - please provide as much info on the person as you can - eg. the guy who wrote the san quentin knife fighters handbook (I think thats the name of the book) - ect. Master Chis Sayoc -posed the question to me - I only knew of a few, who are considered great knife fighters - wonder what everyone else thinks - doesnt have to be any particular art - or style - or not even MA. - and please limit the answer to knife fighting only - great stick work dont count. >> I haven't personally seen that many *good* knife players in general. However, of the ones that I have personally seen has been Tuhon Chris Sayoc (this seems ironic since he's the guy posing the question to you). Regards, Mike ==== Truth, like gold, is to be obtained not by its growth, but by washing away from it all that is not gold. -- Leo Tolstoy >> ==== ------------------------------ From: Drew Zimba Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 13:06:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: knife-fighter, knifefighter, knife fighter ??? The list was asked: >who would you consider the best knife fighter(s) the >the U.S. -- In the world? I'm not sure what you mean by knife fighter. Do you mean someone who can defend against a knife-wielding aggressor? Do you mean someone whose preferential weapon is a knife? Do you mean someone who looks to get into conflicts in which knives are wielded by both (all???) particpants? Drew __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! 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