From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #10 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Mon, 10 Jan 2000 Vol 07 : Num 010 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Canadian Laws regarding folding tactical knives eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #9 (fwd) eskrima: Knife Seminar: The Day After [none] ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, Martial Arts Resource, and Inayan Eskrima Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ted Truscott Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 09:41:46 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Re: Canadian Laws regarding folding tactical knives Victor wrote: A question for those knowledgeable about knife carry laws in Canada and more specifically B.C. I have a 19 year old son who has just moved to Vancouver B.C. to go to school there who is living on his own and has some concerns about the area he has to walk through to get to his apartment especially late at night. I suggested that (1) He carry a good cane such as made by Canemasters (since no one would think much about that object and it is already in hand (but it can be a drag to haul a piece of wood with you everywhere you go, and he will probably leave it behind perhaps to be lost forever) and (2) only after checking what the law was in that jurisdiction, he should consider a small 2 /34 inch tactical folder like a Camillus Cuda Jr. So the obvious question? What is the law? I don't want to advise him to commit a crime, so I need to know what he can legally carry. The law is not as easy as that!! I studied the Cdn Criminal Code on all aspects of the federal code and self defense, all weapons, justified use of force etc, etc. The problem is that different judges interpret the law different and creat different 'streams' of decisions, also ferderal law is overlayed with provincial and municiple statues. You must check the laws in the municipalities he travels in. Cdn law provides that a person is not breaking the law if he arms himself for self defense if the weapon is suitable to the danger and not concealed. The way the law is written (but not necessarily enforced) is that any folder capable of being opened by gravity or centrifigal force is prohibited federally. The person testing the opening characteristics of your son's folder may be a practiced expert...I met a clerk in a knife store in Frisco that could open every folder this way - if the cop can do this, he's busted. There is no indication that the police are testing the ordinary person's folder to see if it conflicts with this law but are most probably (my LEO friends suggest) saving their efforts for known criminals. To carry in the pocket it must not be a weapon carried for self defense but a tool carried for some other reason and then it only becomes a weapon when produced for that purpose at that time - how he talks about it is paramount. I teach cane as well as knife work and I carry a sharp edged tool myelf sometimes and my cane often. Cane use will never come back on him but the knife is less hassle if never used. Good luck, Ted Truscott "the fighting old man" ------------------------------ From: sikal@yahoo.com Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 14:06:41 -0500 Subject: eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #9 (fwd) << From: "Victor Cushing" Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 07:37:13 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Re: Canadian Laws regarding folding tactical knives I have a 19 year old son who has just moved to Vancouver B.C. to go to school there who is living on his own and has some concerns about the area he has to walk through to get to his apartment especially late at night. I suggested that (1) He carry a good cane such as made by Canemasters (since no one would think much about that object and it is already in hand (but it can be a drag to haul a piece of wood with you everywhere you go, and he will probably leave it behind perhaps to be lost forever) and (2) only after checking what the law was in that jurisdiction, he should consider a small 2 /34 inch tactical folder like a Camillus Cuda Jr. So the obvious question? What is the law? I don't want to advise him to commit a crime, so I need to know what he can legally carry. >> Another option would be a book (a small hardback would be best, but a paperback would be better than nothing) which can be used similarly to a knife (ever been hit with the spine of a book ... it hurts). Also, a pocketful of loose change (probably pennies) to throw might gain him a second or two advantage (to fight or run depending on his available options). While the book is certainly not as good as a cane or a stick or a knife or a tactical baton, it is a lot easier to explain in court. Of course, you might want to make sure that it's a book he's read and knows so that he can actually claim to have been reading it and that's why he was carrying it :-) There are other options along these lines, of course, this is just the first one that pops to my mind because (as an avid reader) I've almost always got a book handy. Regards, Mike ==== Choice not chance determines ones destiny. -- Unknown ==== ------------------------------ From: TaoArt@aol.com Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 15:42:31 EST Subject: eskrima: Knife Seminar: The Day After The Knife/Counter Knife Seminar in Waltham, MA went quite well. Michael deBethencourt started the day with a lecture on Deadly Force, covering such aspects as Opportunity, Ability, Jeopardy, and Preclusion. He then went on to discuss the Tueller and Magliato Drills and how they applied to perceived threat. We then went over standard knife carry and draw drills with the Left Hand (which is Michael's preferred hand for a number of reasons). We also covered the different grips and concealment options. Next, we drilled in knife targets and cutting techniques. Michael's favorite "Anus to Sex Organs" or "Sex Organs to Anus" made quite a few of the attendees wince. But before the night was done, everyone was aiming for the nether regions with enthusiasm. After this, we went on to cover knife retention techniques against a variety of disarm attempts. We covered Front and Rear Hug attacks, Head Locks and Chokes. We also drilled in sidearm retention techniques with the knife as well as Gun Disarms. One more target was provided after the dinner break... the back of the neck. We wrapped up the night with a review of all techniques. In truth, there were not too many for the 8+ hour seminar... which was a positive aspect of the seminar in my mind... too many techniques make skill retention more difficult. I found Mr. deBethencourt to be extremely knowledgeable and his humor to be... well, unique. I was grateful that he took his medication before, during and after the seminar (that's a joke, everyone). At night's end, everyone would respond to his famous query "How ya doing?" with his equally famous answer "Don't Care" and then proceed to mimic disemboweling their partner. Michael graciously stayed a good hour later to answer questions and listen to feedback. From the course reviews, it seems that this seminar was worth everyone's time, effort and money. The reviews asked for a rating of 1-5 for various aspects (with 5 being the best) and a number of 6's were given. Without a doubt, we will be hosting another deBethencourt seminar in the future. Keep an eye on our website (www.guardup.com) for information on dates. Thank you to the numerous participants for your professional conduct and thought provoking comments and questions. It was especially heartening to see 6 women besides myself attend the seminar and mock the notion of feminine inhibitions as they wielded their weapons without hesitation. I look forward to seeing each of you again at future seminars (maybe you will consider the upcoming "Self Defense on Ice" in March?). Stay safe. Meghan Gardner Director Guard Up, Inc. www.guardup.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 18:57:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [none] ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #10 *************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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