From: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: eskrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #22 Reply-To: eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: eskrima-digest-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest Sun, 16 Jan 2000 Vol 07 : Num 022 In this issue: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #20 eskrima: Calgary, Canada Seminar (March) eskrima: seminar eskrima: ED t-shirts eskrima: Wind, fire etc. Re: eskrima: ED t-shirts eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #21 eskrima: Digest Shirts eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #21 ========================================================================== Eskrima-Digest, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~1100 members strong! Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, Martial Arts Resource, and Inayan Eskrima Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe eskrima-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use eskrima@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Carlton H. Fung, D.D.S." Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 08:50:45 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #20 Maybe I'm too critical but I rarely see any arts being well done in NHB on TV. I have seen one good match in the last few years. Forget silat. Is there even any boxing? Geez a boxing coach would laugh his ass off and tell you to play with the girls. Cross training boxing and kung-fu etc. does not mean holding your lead hand out there as a bridge as so many NHB players to. They then have reduced power jabs. Telegraph the bridge of the gap etc... I'm not sure what NHB is about. I like to watch it but perhaps I hope to see some skill. Often times I see only bravery and luck. I'd like to see someone slip punches like a boxer, close the gap off angle like FMA, show some decent empty hand inside instead of haymakers, and throw like Katch, get reversed and throw like Silat and finish like "technical" BJJ instead of a strength wrestling match. Regards, Carlton H. Fung, D.D.S. Redondo Beach, Ca. - ----- Original Message ----- > The question of style purity or maybe a better way to put it would be > singleness of style in NHB fights,im not sure.Anyhow I dont think the animal > exist, be it Silat,JJ,Boxing,Wrestling,Karate,or any other so called > style. >.Im sure Silat is taking the same evolutionary path in > some circles.But is it still Silat?I think it is.Is boxing skills still > boxing skills if i learn to grapple and ground fight? I think so.Glimmers of > the art show through in NHB fights.But only Glimmers. > I am a fan of NHB fights, and I am a big fan of Harimau silat. I train in a > grappling style, and I train in Mande Muda pencak silat. Yes, silat does use what > is considered "dirty" fighting in NHB, ------------------------------ From: FRANK LEE Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 11:21:58 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Calgary, Canada Seminar (March) A seminar on traditional "Warrior Arts Of The Phillipines", March 10, 11, 12, 2000. Instructor: Daniel G. Rutano Current Head of his Family System of Estokada Founder/Head Instructor, Canadian Kali Association Director, U.S. Kali Association, International Guro, Doce Pares Eskrima Sifu, Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do (Recognized by the Nucleus) Location: Abbeydale Community Association Hall 821 Abbeydale Dr. N.E. Calgary, Alberta CANADA When: March 10 - 6 p.m. to 10 p.m. March 11 - 9 a.m. to 10 p.m. March 12 - 9 a.m. to 4 p.m. Cost: $200 (Cdn) This seminar will be presented by Punong Guro Daniel G. Rutano and involves more than 20 hours of hands-on training in all areas of Filipino Martial Art. The topics to be covered are as follows: 1. Single Stick/Sword 2. Double Stick/Sword 3. Stick/Sword & Dagger 4. Knife Combatives 5. Sibat/Bangkaw (Spear/Staff) 6. Panuntukan/Sikaran (Filipino Boxing/Kickboxing) 7. Dumog (Grappling/Wrestling) 8. Cadena De Mano/Tanikalang Kamay (Trapping) 9. Training Drills for attribute development 10. Combat application of sequidas Certificates of attendance will be issued to all participants. Rank recognition will be issued to those who are qualified. One (1) year membersip with Canadian Kali Association is included in the cost of the seminar. Required equipment: 1. Pair of rattan sticks 2. Training knives 3. Focus gloves 4. Hockey gloves 5. Hockey helmet 6. Shin pads 7. Elbow pads 8. Bag gloves 9. Boxing gloves 10. Mouth guard 11. Safety glasses/gloggles Note: For those who wish to participate in full contact stick sparring, we strongly recommend to bring body protector. We will not use padded stick anymore - regular training stick will be used. For further information contact: Guro Steve Kormos Phone: (403) 248-8927 Guro Dan Lizote Phone: (403) 208-3849 Guro Frank Lee Phone: (403) 248-6336 Email: oldmantwo@home.com Send cheque or money order payable to Guro Steve Kormos, 369 Abergal Dr. NE, Calgary Alberta, Canada, T2A 6H9. Please include your name, address, city, province/state, postal code, phone #, martial art background, experience in Filipino Arts (beginner, intermediate, advance). Availability of space will be on a first come first served basis. You must pre-register in order to guarantee your spot. Last day of pre-registration will be on February 29, 2000. After this date we cannot guarantee availability of space as well as the cost. Thank you. ------------------------------ From: celtic Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 14:29:25 -0500 Subject: eskrima: seminar Hello, Modern Arnis of Ohio will host the third annual seminar with GM Remy Presas on April 15,2000 from 12:00 - 4:00 p.m. in HIlliard, Ohio (a suburb of Columbus). Topics to be covered will include single and double cane, disarms, locks, takedowns, empty hand apps. and tapi tapi. The cost will be $50. before April 5 and $65. after April 5. If you would like any more info. or a flyer, e-mail me at dmmhsmc@ohaflcio.org and I will be glad to send you one. regards, Daniel McConnell Modern Arnis of Ohio ------------------------------ From: "Marc Denny" Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 12:46:42 -0800 Subject: eskrima: ED t-shirts Yip: BTW I'd wear an ED T-shirt-- hell, we'd even carry it on our website! The big time beckons you oh grand pooh bah of the Internet! Yip, Crafty ------------------------------ From: Michael Koblic Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 12:49:57 -0800 Subject: eskrima: Wind, fire etc. >EARTH, WIND, FIRE, & WATER >FINDING YOUR OWN FIGHTING STYLE by Tuhon Bill McGrath >(Copyright 1999 William R. McGrath) > Yesterday I realized that there is in fact a fifth fighting style. I was not sure what to call it, perhaps combination of earth and water - mud! It came to me after watching a heavyweight fight on the Roy Jones Jr. undercard. Forgive me if I do not have the fighters' names right, but basically the fight consisted of the slightly bigger Jefferson raining power punches on Izon who barely threw a thing. This went on till the eight round when Jefferson exhausted by the punching essentially fell over exhausted and the fight was stopped in the 9th when Jefferson not so much hurt as completely knackered could not go on. Izon won by a TKO without really connecting. The concept immediately appealed to me: If you are short, fat, clumsy, slow and old just let the other guy beat on you until he collapses from exhaustion. A high IQ to start with is probably an advantage as it may decline appreciably after several fights... Mike Koblic, Quesnel BC ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 13:53:32 PST Subject: Re: eskrima: ED t-shirts > Yip: > > BTW I'd wear an ED T-shirt-- hell, we'd even carry it on our website! > The big time beckons you oh grand pooh bah of the Internet! > > Yip, > Crafty Well, I guess I'll just have to find myself someone that does silkscreening (or whatever that process is called). I was only joking about the emial header thing, but it would really be - -different-, ehh.?. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: hec mail Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 15:12:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: eskrima: RE: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #21 > >From: "Carlton H. Fung, D.D.S." >Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 21:12:43 -0800 >Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #20 > >Actually, this is even a "more" important issue with a blade. > >Regards, > >Carlton H. Fung, D.D.S. >Redondo Beach, Ca. >- ----- Original Message ----- > >> I would have to say that they are both very important. Especially when >you are playing with anything that is not a blade > You're right, if we are thinking along the same line. I should have made myself clearer. Both power & techniques are important whether you are using a blade or non-blade weapon. But it also depend on what weapon you favor. With impact weapon the ability to deliver quick & powerful strikes is important. Blade oriented weapon, quickness & refined techniques is emphasized more. You can get away with some sloppiness using an impact weapon than with a blade oriented one. But overall, both attributes are important when you are playing against a skill player. John hecmail@dwp.net ____________________________________________ Service Brought To You By http://WWW.DWP.NET ------------------------------ From: sikal@yahoo.com Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 18:13:29 -0500 Subject: eskrima: Digest Shirts Sure, I'd be interested in a t-shirt ... you could even run a contest for slogans, Ray (which appears to have already started) and give the winner a free t-shirt or something :-) Mabuhay, Mike ==== It is not the answer that enlightens, but the question. -- Eugene Ionesco ------------------------------ From: "arlan and angel sanford" Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 17:10:40 -0700 Subject: eskrima: Re: Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #21 > The Pekiti-Tirsia System has such a large body of technique that it has been > called "The Graduate School of Martial Arts". As such it can be rather > intimidating to a new student. It contains over 500 single stick, 48 double > stick, 144 sword and dagger, 144 knife and 144 basic empty hand and 30 > advanced empty hand techniques (not including the hand and knife variations > of the other weapons and techniques involving firearms). A student will > often ask me "How can I remember all that in a fight?" To which I reply "No > one expects you to remember every single technique in the middle of a fight, > only the 5 or 10% that works for you." They then usually ask "Then why not > just teach that 5 or 10%?" "Because," I reply "The 10% that's right for you > with your body type and skills may not be the 10% that right for someone > else. I can recommend what I think may be best for you, but ultimately you > will have to discover that for yourself." I agree with Bill on this, that everyone needs to find their 10%, but I disagree a little on the approach. Martial arts seems to have become a little bloated, perhaps because very few of us use it to protect our lives or those of our families, I'd bet that 99% of the people on the list have never swung a stick in anger or stuck someone with a knife in defense. At some point techniques seem to be added without regards to where you want to end up. I think P-T is a great system, I've seen how it works for the fighters who have trained in it (Eric, Philip, Loki,etc). It's great to have a system that strives to cover every eventuality, but it will never happen, no matter what you know, someones going to do something that will screw you up. I think it's better to teach a few basic things and work to develop adaptation and not rote. Using Bill's numbers comes to about a thousand techniques! Even if I could learn and master one a week, that's a thousand weeks! Which is what, twenty years? Do you teach each person what you think they would use out of that, or do they have to learn all and then sort what works for them? Part of the reason I'm curious is I've been cutting down the amount I teach someone. I give them basic power, four strikes, four blocks and basic footwork, after awhile I add Lameco and Krabi-Krabong drills and we fight. I can see if someone doesn't want to spar they may have to learn an extended cirriculum since they never develop a sense of their own style, but even mild sparring seems to cut down the excess in technique that plagues most styles, and harder fighting seems to cut things down even more. In 12 years of fighting, I can think of only a few times someone came in and fought their first time and maintained a distinctive style, everybody looks the same until they fight a few times and learn to apply their style. In the mean time, even the most highly trained (in techniques, not fighting) look a lot like kids on a playground thrashing around. This isn't a condemnation of techniques, only their application. Doesn't an overload of movements hinder in the end? I often wonder if teaching many techniques is a way to keep students,- come back next week, I have another technique. If I can't teach someone to fight well in a couple of months, at the least a year, I feel like I'm letting them down. One of the things I've liked about Krabi-Krabong is it's simplicity, you take ten thousand guys and teach them to kick butt with as many kinds of weapons as you can, in the shortest amount of time you can, all the weapons are taught with the same drills, all the drills work in the same progression, and everybody gets good in short order. I can see working to improve your skills over time, what I can't see is taking ten or twenty years to develop those skills in the first place, it seems a little backward. Give them something to fight with, then some flowery stuff to play with later. Arlan ------------------------------ End of Inayan_Eskrima/FMA-Digest V7 #22 *************************************** To unsubscribe from the eskrima-digest send the command: unsubscribe eskrima-digest -or- unsubscribe eskrima-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com. Copyright 1994-2000: Ray Terry, Martial Arts Resource, and Inayan Eskrima Standard disclaimers apply.